Italy wants to deport EU citizens who live off benefits in Roma crackdown

Sunday August 22 2010

Italy wants to expel citizens of other EU states who live solely off state benefits, an interior minister said yesterday. The move, that would extend a crackdown on Roma people, was criticised by rights groups as discriminatory.

Interior Minister Roberto Maroni said the European Commission had denied Italy permission to pursue such a plan in the past but that he would resume lobbying and push for the change at a September 6 meeting of EU interior ministers.

This week, France sent dozens of Roma on flights home to Romania in a mass repatriation that it says is voluntary, though some said they were coerced to leave.

Applauding France’s move, Mr Maroni, from the anti-immigrant Northern League party, said mandatory deportation of Roma, who do not meet basic requirements, should now be allowed.

“Yes, expulsions just like those for illegal immigrants, not assisted or voluntary repatriations,” Mr Maroni told the Corriere della Sera daily yesterday.

Hip-hop star barred from Haiti election

The bid by hip-hop star Wyclef Jean to become Haiti’s next president ended yesterday after the singer’s campaign was disqualified by election officials.

Jean, who was born in Haiti but grew up and rose to fame as a singer with the Fugees in America, launched his campaign in a blaze of publicity. But within days he was said to be in hiding because of alleged security concerns and death threats. Continue Reading →

‘I have to keep her indoors now’: Muslim husband’s shocking response as wife is first to be fined £430 for wearing a burka

Well now we have an interesting situation. The Italians have already levied a fine to enforce a new law, now let’s see if they have the fortitude to enforce an old law, the one against kidnapping and forced confinement. If this man intends to keep his wife in a crate like a dog, then I think existing laws are sufficient to keep him in jail indefinitely. We shall see.

From the Daily Mail:

‘I have to keep her indoors now’: Muslim husband’s shocking response as wife is first to be fined £430 for wearing a burka

By Nick Pisa
Last updated at 5:25 PM on 4th May 2010

Massimo GiordanoNovara Mayor Massimo Giordano introduced new local laws banning clothing that ‘prevents the immediate identification of the wearer inside public buildings’

The Muslim husband of the first woman in Italy to be fined for wearing a burka has vowed to never let her outside again, because he doesn’t want other men looking at her.

Amel Marmouri, 26, was handed a penalty of 500 euros (£430) after being spotted by police officers in a post office in the northern city of Novara.

The fine is the first case of its kind in the country.

But the Tunisian’s husband, Ben Salah Braim, 36, said she will now have to remain indoors.

‘I just don’t know where we are going to get 500 euros to pay the fine. We thought as she was going to the mosque she was OK to wear the burqa.

‘We knew about the law and I know that it’s not against my religion but now Amel will have to stay indoors.

‘I can’t have other men looking at her.’

Under Italian anti-terrorist laws brought in during the 1970s to fight political activism, it is illegal to be seen in a public place with your face covered.

It had never been fully enforced but, earlier this year, Novara mayor Massimo Giordano introduced new local laws banning any clothing that ‘prevents the immediate identification of the wearer inside public buildings, schools and hospitals’.

The case comes just days after Belgium’s lower house of Parliament voted unanimously to prohibit women from wearing full-face veils in public.

If the bill is passed by the Senate, it would become Europe’s first national ‘burka ban’.

A general view of Novara in northern Italy, where the couple are  fromA general view of Novara in northern Italy, where the couple are from

The couple live in Novara, in northern Italy

Mayor Giordano is a member of the Northern League Party, which has campaigned for a clampdown on immigration and the building of mosques.

Mr Giordano said: ‘I signed the new regulations for reasons of security but also so that people who come to live in our city are aware and respect our traditions.

‘The regulations in Novara specifically cover people wearing clothing that prevents them from being identified in a public place, and a post office is a public place.

Veiled: A Muslim woman wearing the burka (posed by model)Veiled: A Muslim woman wearing the burka (posed by model)

‘This would also apply to a motorcyclist who walked into a post office wearing a crash helmet. The people of Novara do not want to see people walking around in the city wearing a burka.

‘This is the only way to stop behaviour that makes the already difficult process of integration even harder.’

Police chief Paolo Cortese said: ‘The fine was given because the woman was inside the post office at the time, which is a public building.’

The Northern League, which once called for the Italian Navy to shell boats carrying illegal immigrants towards the country, has called for the original 1975 terror law to be amended and make specific reference to Islamic face coverings.

The proposed wording would prohibit ‘the use of female garments common among women of Islamic faith known as burkas’.

Muslim groups in Italy today insisted that Italian laws must be respected.

Imam Izzedin Elzir, president of the Islamic Community and Organisations Union in Italy, said: ‘We are for the freedom of women and against veils of any kind and Italian laws must be respected.

‘We as an organisation have always said that we are against face veils or coverings in Italy because the law of recognition has to be observed.’

Anti Immigration party surges ahead in Italy

Nick Pisa in Rome The Telegraph UK

Published: 7:06PM BST 30 Mar 2010

The Northern League is now a key figure in Silvio Berlusconi's  coalition

The Northern League is now a key figure in Silvio Berlusconi’s coalition

The Northern League, an anti immigration party, which has now become pivotal in Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s ruling coalition, has seen it’s support more than double in the last five years.

Led by firebrand Umberto Bossi, who once called for the Italian navy to shell boats carrying illegal immigrants towards the country, his victory mirrors those recently by far right parties in Hungary, Holland and France.

In the last regional elections held in 2005 the League secured just 5.7 per cent of the vote but in subsequent polls they have seen their popularity grow and this time it was 12.7 per cent.

James Walston, a political commentator at the American University of Rome, said: “The League has done very well and they will be flexing their muscles for the remaining three years of government.

“They will push for further devolution and immigration and race will also be on top of their agenda and these two are issues which are of concern to many Italians. Continue Reading →

Italy Arrests 9 People on Weapons Trafficking to Iran (Update2)

From Bloomberg:

By Flavia Krause-Jackson and Dan Liefgreen

March 3 (Bloomberg) — Italy’s Finance Police said it arrested five Italians and four suspected Iranian agents on suspicion of weapons trafficking to Iran.

The authorities blocked the export of explosive materials to Iran and intercepted a supply of 1,000 German-produced optical-precision equipment and 120 scuba-diving jackets and oxygen tanks, according to an e-mailed statement. Two of the four Iranians were Italian residents while the five Italians lived in northern Italy and in Switzerland, police said today.

Armando Spataro, the same prosecutor who requested the extradition of CIA agents for the 2003 kidnapping of a Muslim cleric, is leading the investigation, which began in June 2009 and was dubbed “Operation Sniper.”

The police believe the suspects are part of a criminal gang that sells weapons and explosives to Iran through eastern Europe, the statement said.

The arrests come as the U.S. pushes for tougher United Nations sanctions on Tehran’s government over its nuclear program. The UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency said in a Feb. 19 report that Iran enriched uranium to 19.8 percent, 0.2 percentage point below the threshold needed to start the chain reaction seen in an atomic bomb.

Spataro made headlines in 2007 when he accused U.S. agents, with the support of Italian counterparts, of abducting Egyptian- born Osama Mustafa Hassan Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, on a Milan street. An Italian judge convicted 22 suspected CIA agents and an American military official on Nov. 4. They were tried on absentia and can appeal twice.

The U.S. has been in talks with the four other permanent members of the UN Security Council — France, Britain, Russia and China — to shape a sanctions resolution on Iran, possibly aimed at the Revolutionary Guard Corps that is involved in the nuclear work. Iran insists its nuclear aims are peaceful, while it has barred UN inspectors from some facilities.

To contact the reporter on this story: Flavia Krause-Jackson in Rome at fj******@*******rg.net; Dan Liefgreen in Milan at dl********@*******rg.net

Rome: First halal meat counter

The Italian capital, Rome will open its first supermarket halal meat counter on Saturday, where Muslims will be able to buy meat slaughtered according to Islamic principles as well as other halal products.

Imams from mosques in Rome, Florence and Ravenna will attend the inauguration at the Ipercoop supermarket in the southern Casilina area of Rome, where traditional Arab dishes will also be served.

Muslim immigrants and converts can buy meat at halal butchers, but haven’t been able to find it in supermarkets, and halal meat counters could help integrate Muslims in Italy, according to some.

“This is a chance to understand each other better and find new opportunities for dialogue, mutual understanding and coexistence – even inside a supermarket,” the organisers of Saturday’s event said in a statement posted to the Italian interfaith website ildialogo.org.

Fjordman: Galileo and Geert Wilders.

From The Gates of Vienna: written by Fjordman

Monday, February 01, 2010

Eppur Si Muove!

Intro by Baron Boddesy

“The trial against Galileo didn’t change physical reality or threaten the survival of European civilization; the forces that Wilders is warning against could indeed destroy European civilization if left unchecked.”

In 1633 the great Italian astronomer Galileo Galilei was forced by the Inquisition to recant his heliocentric model of the solar system and affirm that the Earth was actually the motionless center of the Universe. Legend has it that immediately after his conviction, Galileo was heard to mutter “Eppur si muove” — “And yet it moves”. The old man was unable to restrain himself entirely from speaking the simple truth.

In Amsterdam the day after tomorrow, another great man will be hauled before a court and charged with speaking the simple truth. The outcome of the Geert Wilders trial — like Galileo’s — is fixed in advance. Mr. Wilders is indeed guilty of speaking the truth about Islam, and he will undoubtedly be convicted.

Fjordman has written a brief essay outlining the parallels between Galileo Galilei and Geert Wilders, and examines the current trial’s enormous significance for the Netherlands, the continent of Europe, and the whole of Western Civilization.

Geert Wilders as Galileo
Eppur Si Muove
by Fjordman

Some observers have compared the ongoing trial against the prominent Dutch Islam-critic Geert Wilders in the Netherlands to the case against Galileo Galilei in seventeenth century Italy. There is no question that the trial against Galileo represents a dark chapter in the history of the Roman Catholic Church, but there are some popular misconceptions regarding it.

The Italian philosopher and occultist Giordano Bruno (1548-1600) was a supporter of the Sun-centered model of Copernicus and championed the idea that the universe is filled with an infinite array of stars similar to our Sun and that life exists elsewhere in this vast universe. He was embroiled in a long trial with the Roman Inquisition and burned at the stake in 1600. His case remains controversial to this day. In author John Gribbin’s view he was a religious heretic rather than a “martyr for science”, and his execution, while certainly deplorable, happened mainly because of his unorthodox theological ideas, not his scientific ones:

But after 1600 Copernicanism was distinctly frowned upon by the Church, and the fact that Bruno was a Copernican and had been burned as a heretic was hardly encouraging for anyone, like Galileo, who lived in Italy in the early 1600s and was interested in how the world worked. If it hadn’t been for Bruno, Copernicanism might never have received such adverse attention from the authorities, Galileo might not have been persecuted and scientific progress in Italy might have proceeded more smoothly.

In 1624, Galileo was assured by Pope Urban VIII that he could write about the Copernican theory as long as he treated it as a mathematical proposition. However, in his 1632 book Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems he clearly sided with Copernicanism by ridiculing the Aristotelians who clung to the Ptolemaic theory. Because of this he was called to Rome in 1633 to face the Inquisition. He was interrogated for 18 days and threatened with torture. The Pope eventually decided that he should be imprisoned indefinitely.

According to Robert Spencer in his book Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t, “Jesuit astronomers were among Galileo’s earliest and most enthusiastic supporters. When Galileo first published supporting evidence for the Copernican heliocentric theory, Cardinal Maffeo Barberini sent him a letter of congratulations. When Galileo visited Rome in 1624, Cardinal Barberini had become Pope Urban VIII. The pope welcomed the scientist, gave him gifts, and assured him that the church would never declare heliocentrism heretical. In fact, the pope and other churchmen, according to historian Jerome Langford, ‘believed that Galileo might be right, but they had to wait for more proof.’ And that was the ultimate source of Galileo’s conflict with the church: he was teaching as fact what still at that time had only the status of theory. When church officials asked Galileo in 1616 to teach heliocentrism as theory rather than as fact, he agreed; however, in 1632 he published a new work, Dialogue on the Great World Systems, in which he presented heliocentrism as fact again. That was why Galileo was put on trial for suspected heresy and placed under house arrest. Historian J. L. Heilbron notes that from the beginning the controversy was not understood the way it has been presented by many critics of the church since then.”

Here is what author James Evans says in his book The History and Practice of Ancient Astronomy, page 424:
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Copernicus’s book did not produce an immediate upheaval. However, it certainly did offend the sensibilities of conservative religious thinkers, as well as professors of Aristotelian natural philosophy. With the crackdown on freethinking associated with the Catholic Counter-Reformation, any heterodox opinion became more dangerous than it had previously been. But it was not until 1616 that heliocentrism was officially declared erroneous. De revolutionibus was placed on the Index of books that were prohibited ‘until corrected.’ In principle, De revolutionibus could be circulated and read only if erroneous passages (asserting the mobility of the Earth) were removed. Four years later, a list of ten specific corrections was issued. Owen Gingerich has examined nearly all the surviving copies of the 1543 and 1566 editions of De revolutionibus, which total more than 500 books. The majority of copies in Italy were censored in conformity with the decree. But the decree had almost no effect elsewhere. Not even in Catholic Spain or Portugal were copies censored. The condemnation of De revolutionibus had very little impact on the acceptance of the heliocentric hypothesis. Even the famous trial of Galileo for continuing to advocate heliocentrism after the condemnation only served to popularize the new cosmology.

The case against Galileo may have had a negative impact on Italian science, but its long-term impact on Europe as a whole was quite meager. One of Europe’s greatest comparative strengths has always been that no single authority, secular or religious, could successfully censor the flow of ideas throughout the entire continent. This was very different from, say, Imperial China at the same time. Yet today we have the European Union, which has powers of censorship and indoctrination that the Roman Inquisition could only dream of.

Galileo faced the possibility of torture during his trial, which Wilders currently does not. It was also possible to be executed for heresy in the seventeenth century, as had happened to Bruno a few years before. Many people will say that this is not the case with Wilders today, but the truth is that he risks his life every single day by saying what he is saying, and the security at the Dutch trial is not good. The trial itself exposes him to an elevated risk of assassination, in a country where several critics of Islam have been assassinated. In my view, the Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn was executed as a Multicultural heretic. The political elites killed him by whipping up hatred against him, even if they didn’t physically pull the trigger.

Another major difference is that as bad as the case against Galileo was, he was at least allowed to talk about the Copernican hypothesis as long as he presented it as a mathematical hypothesis only. Wilders isn’t even allowed to say, hypothetically speaking, that Islam might be an unusually violent religion, which arguably means that there is even less freedom of speech under the Multicultural Inquisition in 2010 than there was under the Roman one in 1633. Also, the stakes are far greater now than they were back then. The trial against Galileo didn’t change physical reality or threaten the survival of European civilization; the forces that Wilders is warning against could indeed destroy European civilization if left unchecked.

Galileo was found guilty of heresy and remained under house arrest for the remainder of his life, but he nevertheless managed to publish a masterpiece in 1638, the Discourse on Two New Sciences, of a history of physics in which he presented the laws of accelerated motion and falling bodies. Symptomatically, it was smuggled out of Italy and published in the Netherlands. Could Italians return the favor and publish the defense from the trial against Wilders, in the spirit of Oriana Fallaci? Perhaps the Vatican itself can make up for its old sins?

Unfortunately, I fear that the Roman Catholic Church is currently too dhimmified to do such a thing, but it would undoubtedly have a tremendous symbolic value if the Church dared where the secular and so-called liberal authorities of the Netherlands and the EU dare not.

Geert Wilders may be Churchill in some ways, but perhaps more Galileo

This is not the first time a European has been brought to a stacked court to face charges of telling the truth about irrational religious authority. While many compare Wilders to Churchill for his stalwart stand against evil and tyranny even while his fellow countrymen courted it as politically correct to do so, perhaps a more accurate comparison, at least in terms of this trial, is the one of Galileo and the Church of Rome. Telling the truth about the machinery of the Solar System was a grave offence if it contradicted the official view of celestial mechanics as the Church insisted it had to be, to stay in accord with biblical analysis. So it is with Geert. Before I get a list of angry comments about the facts of Galileo’s inquisition, I agree that the story is misrepresented in the popular view. But certainly it was indeed an issue of freedom of speech in the face of powerful religious authority.

The trial of Geert is exactly that, even if the religious authority is using a proxy.

Eeyore for Vlad

Italy: Police rescue abducted Pakistani teen

Fano, 19 Jan. (AKI) – Italian police have rescued a 17-year-old Pakistani girl in the country’s northeast and arrested her father over her alleged abduction after a massive search operation. Police found Almas Mahmood in good health on a highway between Bologna and Ancona on Tuesday after her estranged father Akatar kidnapped her in front of her school in the town of Fano.

Almas, who has grown up in Italy, was removed from her family and placed in local care last April after her father savagely beat her for being “too westernised”.

Witnesses on Monday said they saw Almas being bundled kicking and screaming into a car by a man, believed to be her father.

She had tried to make an emergency call from her mobile phone, but dropped it in the commotion.

Almas’ mother, brother and sister were reportedly also inside the car, which drove off in the direction of Bologna.

Italian police were on Tuesday reportedly deciding whether to arrest Almas’ mother, who allegedly opposed her daughter’s “western” style of dress and friendships.

Her father, an immigrant street hawker, allegedly threatened social workers and staff at the children’s home where she was living, but Almas had pleaded with judges not to return her to her family.

Giuseppe Franchini, the headmaster at the technical school where Almas is a student, described her father as “integrated in Italy economically but not culturally.”

The issue of Muslim cultural integration in Italy has been brought into stark relief after several “honour” killings in recent years.

Last September, a Moroccan girl, Sanaa Dafani was murdered in northeastern Italy, allegedly by her father. She had a relationship with an older Italian man,

In 2006, in the northern town of Brescia in 2006 a 20-year-old Pakistani girl, Hina Saleem died after her throat was slit by male relatives after she wore jeans, worked in a pizzeria and went to live with her Italian boyfriend.

After the case, Italy’s previous centre-left Italian government issued a ‘charter of values’ for immigrants.

Crusades defensive then, will be defensive again. Ottoman invasion of Otranto

A reader of Vlad posted a link to a story I was fully unaware of till now. (Thank you moss) I am currently researching it and attempting to grasp the enormity of it. Till then, here is a photograph of over 800 skulls of people Muslim invaders butchered for refusing to convert to Islam which the re-takers of the city in Italy in 1480 put behind glass walls in the cathedral.

It is interesting to note that the pope in Rome called for a crusade in response to this horror and that according to wikipedia.

From the wiki link:

Since it was only 28 years after the fall of Constantinople, there was some fear that Rome would suffer the same fate. Plans were made for the Pope and citizens of Rome evacuate the city. Pope Sixtus IV repeated his 1471 call for a crusade. Several Italian city-states, Hungary and France responded positively to this. The Republic of Venice did not, as it had signed an expensive peace treaty with the Ottomans in 1479.

In 1481 an army was raised by king Ferdinand I of Naples to be led by his son Alphonso II of Naples. A contingent of troops was provided by king Matthias Corvinus of Hungary.

Italy bans some Islamic women’s coverings.

I am still not sure this is the right solution but one has to tip ones hat to Italy for at least having the raw temerity to attempt a solution, which means recognizing publicl that there is at least a problem, which is more than most nations do. H/T to Proud Kaffir, MEMRI and Islam in Europe:

At least this will pit sharia law against Italian law squarely. Let the games begin.

Italy Bans Niqab, Burka

The MEMRI Blog 26 November 2009

Italy has led the European countries by passing a law banning the wearing of Niqab or Burka [women’s head to toe covering] in streets or public places. Police are authorized to demand that the women remove it, and that they pay a fine for breaking the law.

Source: Akhbar Al-Khaleej, November 24, 2009 (…)

Father and son connected to Mumbai massacre arrested in Italy

From The Globe and Mail

Two suspects in Mumbai attacks arrested in Italy

Father and son allegedly used their money-transfer business to help attackers set up untraceable phone network

An Italian policemen patrols in front of the money transfer agency, managed by 60-year-old Mohammad Yaqub Janjua and his son, 31-year-old Aamer Yaqub Janjua, both of Pakistan, in Brescia, northern Italy on Nov. 21, 2009.

Ariel David

Rome The Associated Press Published on Saturday, Nov. 21, 2009 1:22PM EST Last updated on Saturday, Nov. 21, 2009 1:40PM EST

Italian police on Saturday arrested a Pakistani father and son who allegedly spent just over $200 to set up a reliable and untraceable phone network that was used by the militants who carried out last year’s terror attacks in Mumbai, India.

The two were arrested in an early morning raid in Brescia, where they ran a money transfer agency, and it is was not immediately clear if they were aware of the purpose their funds had served, police in the northern Italian city said.

The day before the attacks began on Nov. 26 they allegedly used a stolen identity to send money to a U.S. company to pay for Internet phone accounts used by the attackers and their handlers, said Stefano Fonsi, the head of anti-terror police in Brescia.

The transfer was just $229 but gave the militants five lines over the Internet, which are difficult to trace and allowed them to keep in touch even during the rampage, Mr. Fonsi said.

The arrests on the eve of the first anniversary of the attacks underscored the long-standing concern of experts and officials over the ease with which small sums can be channelled through money transfer agencies to fund deadly terror plots.

Italian police began the probe in December after being alerted by the FBI and Indian police about the transfer, Mr. Fonsi told The Associated Press by phone.

Ten militants, allegedly from Pakistan, killed 166 people in a three-day assault on luxury hotels, a Jewish centre and other sites in India’s financial capital. One Italian was among the 19 foreigners killed.

The money from Brescia was transferred under the identity of another Pakistani who had never been to Italy and was not involved in the attacks, Mr. Fonsi said.

He lives in Spain and his identity was probably stolen when he used another money transfer agency somewhere in the world, Mr. Fonsi told a news conference.

The order to open the accounts with the Callphonex company came from two men in Pakistan, he said. Mr. Fonsi added that Italian authorities had shared details of their identities with Pakistani officials.

The two suspects in Brescia, identified in a police statement as 60-year-old Mohammad Yaqub Janjua and 31-year-old Aamer Yaqub Janjua, are accused of aiding and abetting international terrorism as well as illegal financial activity. The Madina Trading agency, which operated on the Western Union money transfer circuit, was seized by police.

Callphonex and Western Union are not accused of any wrongdoing. The companies did not return messages seeking comment on Saturday. Western Union has said it co-operates fully in fighting terrorism and has spent millions worldwide in compliance efforts.

Early in the probe, suspicions focused on Iqbal Javaid, the man whose identity was used for the transfer, and the Janjuas told investigators and the media they didn’t remember him and didn’t know his whereabouts.

“They certainly sidetracked the investigation,” Mr. Fonsi said. “But we don’t have clear proof that they were aware of what the money was for.”

Though Jihadist propaganda leaflets were found in the home of one of those arrested Saturday, there was no evidence that the two, who have lived in Italy since 1992, were directly linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistan-based group blamed for the Mumbai attacks, he said.

Transferring funds using the identity of other people was a common practice at the agency in Brescia, and the Italian probe broke up a ring of people who used the system for various criminal aims, Mr. Fonsi said.

Two more Pakistanis were arrested in Saturday’s raids for allegedly committing fraud, money laundering and other crimes through the masked transfers, but they were not linked to the Mumbai attacks. A fifth Pakistani man escaped arrest and was still being sought.

An additional 12 people were flagged to prosecutors for possible investigation but were not arrested, Mr. Fonsi said.

Just by using Mr. Javaid’s stolen identity, the suspects had transferred some $590,000 U.S. between 2006 and 2008 to various countries. The network also used its contacts in Pakistan to help illegal immigrants enter Italy, Mr. Fonsi said.

Like other Western countries, Italy has shown concern over the use of money transfer agencies amid fears that funds to terror groups are being hidden in the flow of payments sent by immigrant workers back home.

The government has progressively cut the amount that can be sent by these means, but the small payment for the phone lines was still much lower than the current limit of $2,900 U.S. per week.

Many attacks in recent years have been funded on the cheap.

For example, the British government has said, the operation that blew up three London subways and a bus in July 2005, killing 52 commuters, used readily available materials and cost the equivalent of $15,000 U.S.

For the March 11, 2004 bombings on four Madrid trains that killed 191 commuters, some estimates say the perpetrators spent less than $1,400 U.S. of their own money.

Related: read how Canada aids India in Mumbai massacre probe

Italian minister attacked by Muslim for defending womans rights

Here is a rather stunning video from Italy, translated and subtitled by STOPshariaLAWnow

MILAN: Italian female politician protesting burquas punched by muslim in scuffle.

Santanche’ is currently running a campaign in Italy to expose the burqua and veil as oppressive to women. She took the fight to the front line , entering a muslim ‘prayer meeting’ and asking to speak to some women to tell them they were being oppressed by a male-dominated regime masquerading as a religion, and was subsequently attacked.

Daniela Santanchè, leader of the Movement for Italy, was attacked and hit with a fist while expressing, in front of the Steam Factory in Milan, against the entry of women in burqas who came to celebrate the end of Ramadan. The riot police intervened and planning is identifying the assailant. Continue Reading →

Italian TV show dares to spout a little truth

Not sure what the context is here exactly. It would appear that an Italian TV show, debating something about the decision to remove crosses from schools in Italy, has a panelist who states some things about Islam the muslims in the audience do not like. The funny thing is, she is wrong on her facts. Mohamed did not marry a nine year old. He married Aisha when she was six, and had sex with her often but did not have genital to genital sex with her till she was nine. The host mistakenly says he married her when she was nine.

Some great comments on this which I have moved here into the body of the post:

First a note from the translator, jdamn:

Here’s your context: http://theforceofreason.com/2009/11/09/movement-for-italy-leader-daniela-santanche-calls-muhammad-a-pedophile-on-canale-5/
Then, a comment from HellenoChristian (Thank you by the way)

  1. The translation doesn’t accurately report what the Islamic speaker said, which is – while Daniela Santaché told him about Muhammad’s poligamy, and Aysha’s age -: “shut up you don’t know anything. We are talking about serious things here, not about disgusting things like you are” then very summarized that “man” says that Daniela Santaché – which is simply reporting the Reality of Islamic History – is an ignorant (I guess: either this man is an ignorant or he is a practitioner of taqiyyah – he scruplelessly and publically lies ).

    Then the Islamic fundamentalist bearded of the public aggresses Daniela Santaché saying that Islam recognize all the Prophets (well: who cares? Prophets do not need Islam’s approval to exist!), Jesus included, and this is pure taqiyyah in action, since Islam curses every Religion which is not his (own Cult which he called) Islam, and it denies Jesus’s crucifixion which is a very central event in Christianity, both symbolically for Aesotherical Christianity and practically, because it shows TRUE MARTYRDOM and Jesus’s crucifixion exposes the FAKE ISLAMIC MARTYRDOM, which first of all a MURDER, sometimes combined to suicide, too [even Japanese kamikazes feel very offended when people calls Islamic murders a kamikaze – Japanese followed an ethical Code before sacrificing their lives, while Islamic people are Ethicless and murder innocents in the name of their Mafiaboss Muhammad and his fake god Allah -]. I personally wonder: do all Islamic fundamentalists move to the West and Europe?!

    Anyway this pseudo Debate makes me understand something: Islam really is taqiyyah, and the way it calls itself is the perfect example and evidence of it, since Islam publically calls itself “a Religion” and “of Peace”. It actually is EXACTELY THE OPPOSITE

I would add, that Muslims frequently make the claim that they respect the other prophets as a way of making it appear they are being treated asymmetrically at that level. But they rewrote the nature of other religions so as to make their principle symbols unrecognizable. To Muslims, Jesus was a Muslim for example. So they do not respect him, other than their own sort of, ‘fun house mirror’ version of him. Much like everything in Islam actually is a warped mirror of things with actual value or decency. They often attempt to stop any discussion of Mohamed however by claiming that they treat the symbols of other religions with respect.

Thanks again to jdamn for the translation and KitmanTV for subtitling

From the comments,

Genetic determinism factors into criminal sentance. End of rational jurisprudence?

This is a story I have been dreading all my life. The day when genetic determinism would factor into real world decisions effectively destroying the philosophical foundations of civilization. In a free society, it is critical that all people are equal before the law. While some, although I cannot imagine who, may feel that letting someone who commits a brutal violent crime off with a lighter sentence because they are genetically predisposed to it is a good idea, remember, once you allow that rational you have to allow it to work any other way as well.

It is the same thing to decide that since he or she is genetically predisposed to an action, that you may as well kill them for it. It becomes pre-crime. Or at least sterilize them so these genes cannot be passed on.

Of course we all know that each of us has a different genetic potential. It is in fact how natural selection works. Each of us is adapted to a set of circumstances subtly different than the person next to us. So Stephen Hawking does very very well in some environments, such as Oxford school of physics for example, while being fed to the wolves in others. However for a civilization to work, we must act on certain premises at certain levels. Where the state is concerned, all people must have equal potential before the law. If person A through Z commits a murder under identical circumstances, then the consequence must be the same. Any factor one allows, can always be used in another way and one perhaps not as palatable to many.

If the courts are to allow a criminal to be treated differently because of a genetic issue, then employers, partners and any other person will ultimately have the same right to deny service to, deny employment to, deny any other aspect of life based on the same criteria. This easily can be the end of everything. Affirmative action which should go anyway, certainly will not only have no excuse to exist but in fact genetic determinism will more than likely lead to its opposite. All forms of determinism must not be allowed at the level of the state. After all, what exactly is the blindfold around lady justice for?

Eeyore for Vlad

H/T Gates of Vienna

Lighter sentence for murderer with ‘bad genes’

Nature.com

Italian court reduces jail term after tests identify genes linked to violent behaviour.

Emiliano Feresin

ChromosomesA court in Italy has cut a prisoner’s jail term because he has genes associated with aggressive behaviour.Ingram Publishing

An Italian court has cut the sentence given to a convicted murderer by a year because he has genes linked to violent behaviour — the first time that behavioural genetics has affected a sentence passed by a European court. But researchers contacted by Nature have questioned whether the decision was based on sound science.

Abdelmalek Bayout, an Algerian citizen who has lived in Italy since 1993, admitted in 2007 to stabbing and killing Walter Felipe Novoa Perez on 10 March. Perez, a Colombian living in Italy, had, according to Bayout’s testimony, insulted him over the kohl eye make-up the Algerian was wearing. Bayout, a Muslim, claims he wore the make-up for religious reasons.

During the trial, Bayout’s lawyer, Tania Cattarossi, asked the court to take into account that her client may have been mentally ill at the time of the murder. After considering three psychiatric reports, the judge, Paolo Alessio Vernì, partially agreed that Bayout’s psychiatric illness was a mitigating factor and sentenced him to 9 years and 2 months in prison — around three years less than Bayout would have received had he been deemed to be of sound mind.

But at an appeal hearing in May this year, Pier Valerio Reinotti, a judge of the Court of Appeal in Trieste, asked forensic scientists for a new independent psychiatric report to decide whether he should commute the sentence further.

“There’s increasing evidence that some genes together with a particular environmental insult may predispose people to certain behaviour.”

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Italy: Crucifixes banned from classrooms

From The Ottawa Citizen

Italians outraged by classroom crucifix ban

Court rules icons in schools may disturb non-Christians

By Philip Pullella, Reuters November 4, 2009 3:04 AM

Italy reacted furiously Tuesday to a European Court of Human Rights ruling that crucifixes should not be displayed in schools, with the government condemning the “pagan” move and calling it an attack on the nation’s history and culture.

The ruling by the court in Strasbourg, which Italy said it would appeal, said crucifixes on school walls — a common sight that is part of every Italian’s life — could disturb children who were not Christians.

Italy has been in the throes of national debate on how to deal with a growing population of immigrants, mostly Muslims, and the court sentence is likely to become another battle cry for the centre-right government’s policy to restrict newcomers.

“This is an abhorrent ruling,” said Rocco Buttiglione, a former culture minister who helped write papal encyclicals. “It must be rejected with firmness. Italy has its culture, its traditions and its history. Those who come among us must understand and accept this culture and this history.”

A Vatican spokesman said it was sad the crucifix could be considered a symbol of division and said religion offered a vital contribution to the moral formation of people.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi added that it was “wrong and myopic” to try to exclude a symbol of charity from education.

Members of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s government bristled, weighing in with words such as “shameful,” “offensive,” “absurd,” “unacceptable,” and “pagan.”

Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said the court had dealt a “mortal blow to a Europe of values and rights,” adding that it was a bad precedent for other countries.

The case was brought by an Italian national, Soile Lautsi, who complained that her children had to attend a public school in northern Italy that had crucifixes in every room.

Education Minister Mariastella Gelmini said crucifixes on the walls of tens of thousands of classrooms “do not mean adherence to Catholicism,” but are a symbol of Italy’s heritage. “If we erase symbols we erase part of ourselves,” she said.

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