Mothers grief a lie, a sham and an insult her murdered daughter.

 For ten years Hanim Goren lived with, ate with, slept with and lied with the man who she knew was responsible for her daughters murder. Even though she witnessed her daughter hog tied, she offered no protection. Even though her husband threatened to implicate Hanim in the murder of 17 year old Tulay she said nothing when any sane person would have been in touch with police way before this crime was committed.

 At the end of the day this will be another case of one cold blooded killer escaping justice for turning in other cold blooded killers. And the only reason this scum of a mum is cooperating is because she was threatened with prison.

Hanim Goren

Hanim Goren

  Here is the timesonline story as it unfolds in a British  court.

 A mother shouted across a courtroom yesterday to demand that her husband reveal what happened to the schoolgirl daughter he is alleged to have murdered in an “honour killing”.

Hanim Goren was giving evidence for the prosecution at the Old Bailey about how their 15-year-old daughter, Tulay, disappeared ten years ago.

The housewife turned to her husband, Mehmet Goren, who was sitting in the dock ten metres away, and shouted: “Look at my face. What did you do to Tulay? Say it so that I can . . .”

She added later: “It was Mehmet who disappeared Tulay. I am sure of that.”

Mr Goren, 45, is accused of murdering his daughter to protect his family honour after she ran away to live with a boyfriend twice her age. He is alleged to have buried her in the garden of the family home in Woodford Green, North London, before removing the body several days later.

Mrs Goren, 45, said that when she questioned her husband about Tulay’s disappearance he would reply: “I don’t know anything. Those who have done it are ‘over there’.”

“I don’t know who he meant,” she told the court.

Mrs Goren said she found that Tulay had disappeared when she returned home after being ordered to spend the night with the family of her brother-in-law, Cuma Goren, 42. She told the court that her husband said he had disowned their eldest daughter, that she had gone and that in future they would have only three children, not four.

“When Mehmet was in the house Tulay’s name was not mentioned,” Mrs Goren told the jury. “Everything that belonged to Tulay was torn — photos, even her Turkish identity card, her birth certificate. He said there will not be anything left inside belonging to Tulay.”

Mrs Goren said that she kept asking her husband what had happened to their daughter.

“I was saying to him, ‘You swallowed Tulay’. I was saying, ‘She is alive in your tummy’,” Mrs Goren said. “During the last few years I started saying it more.”

Mrs Goren said that a letter that appeared to have been written by Tulay was delivered to the family home the morning after her husband attacked her daughter’s boyfriend, Hilal Unal, with an axe. In the letter the girl claimed to be held captive by her lover’s boss.

Mrs Goren said that she did not initially tell the truth to the police about Tulay because her husband threatened to tell them that she was responsible for her daughter’s disappearance. “He used to say to me if I went to the police, ‘I would go and tell them you did it with your relatives, your brothers, that we did it together’,” she told the court.

Mrs Goren said that she admitted lying to police in her initial accounts of Tulay’s disappearance but told the truth after she was arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice and murder. She was released without charge. She told the court that Tulay had run away to live with Mr Unal after her husband and his brother Cuma had beaten her when they discovered the relationship.

Mrs Goren, who has broken a ten-year silence to give evidence at the Old Bailey, has described finding her teenage daughter tied up by her husband on a bedroom floor the day before the schoolgirl was allegedly murdered.

She said that Tulay’s hands and feet had turned purple because they were bound so tightly with parts of a torn shawl.

Mehmet Goren and his brothers Ali, 55, and Cuma, both of Walthamstow, East London, deny murdering Tulay. They also deny conspiracy to murder Mr Unal.

The trial continues.

‘Honour killing attempt’ on lover


Tulay Goren

Tulay Goren

  BBCNEWS…The father of a girl of 15 allegedly murdered in a so-called honour killing also attempted to kill her boyfriend, a court has heard.

 Halil Unal, 41, told the Old Bailey that Tulay Goren’s father struck him after luring him to a side street with a promise of speaking to the girl.

He told the court he was attacked days after his girlfriend went missing in January 1999.

Mehmet Goren, 49, from north London, denies murdering his daughter.

Mr Goren, of Navestock Crescent, Woodford Green, is charged along with Tulay’s uncles, Cuma Goren, 42, and Ali Goren, 55, both from Walthamstow, who also deny a charge of murder.

Tulay disappeared on 7 January 1999. Her body has never been found.

Giving evidence from behind a screen, Mr Unal told the jury that the attack took place after Tulay, a Kurdish Turk, was taken back home by her family after their failed attempt to get married at Hackney register office as she was underage.

Mr Unal said elder members of the community brokered a meeting between him and the Gorens at the Thatched House pub in Leytonstone, east London, on 20 January to discuss the future of his relationship.

Mr Goren agreed to get the pair married in March and asked Mr Unal to step outside to a side street where he could speak to Tulay on the phone, the court heard.

Mr Unal said: “Mehmet said to me ‘I know how much you love Tulay, Tulay is at my older brother’s shop, give her a call and speak to her’.”

As he dialled the number he saw a blade and was hit in the neck. Mehmet Goren was convicted of the attack, the jury heard.

Mr Unal said: “He wanted to kill me.”

He added: “In our honour customs, they are either going to finish off, kill the girl, or they are going to kill both of them. That is definite.”

‘Not tolerated’

Mr Unal added: “It is because I have a clean heart, and that is why I am alive now.

“I don’t care if the Goren family kill me now, it is not important to me. I have waited 10 years for this, and to be here.”

Tulay had run away from home in December 1998 and came to live with Mr Unal, who was 31 at the time, after her father went to the factory Mr Unal worked in and attacked him for “bothering” Tulay.

The pair had met and fell in love when Tulay got a summer job at the factory.

The prosecution says Tulay was killed “to restore the so-called honour” of the family, as a relationship between she and Mr Unal – who are from different sects of Islam – “would not have been tolerated”.

The trial continues.

Al Qaeda Commander Strapped for Cash, Asks Turkish Muslims to Send Money

They then asked if anyone had George Galloways home phone number.

I’m sure Turkey will respond generously

CAIRO  —  Al Qaeda’s top commander in Afghanistan urged Turkish Muslims in a new audio message Wednesday to send money to militants fighting coalition troops in the country, saying they are low on funds.

Mustafa Abu al-Yazeed said many militants in Afghanistan are unable to fight because they lack the necessary equipment.

“And we, here in Afghanistan, are needy of money,” said al-Yazeed. “And the reason for the weakness of the operations here is the inadequacy of equipment.”

The authenticity of the audio message could not be verified, but it appeared on Web sites often used by Al Qaeda.

Experts believe Islamic militants in Afghanistan receive most of their funding from wealthy donors and charities in the oil-rich Gulf and from the illegal drug trade inside the country.

The U.S. has tried to crack down on those funding sources by urging Gulf governments to better police the flows of money and by engaging in counter-narcotic operations inside Afghanistan.

President Barack Obama plans to send thousands of additional troops to Afghanistan this year in an effort to reverse the momentum of Al Qaeda and Taliban militants

Turkey : the EU’s Trojan Horse

Please read a little more on the country Americas new president has vowed to support.

from the Austalian Islamist Monitor

trojanhorse2Everyone knows the famous story of how the Greeks captured the city of Troy using the decoy of a wooden horse in which soldiers had been hidden. Helen, the wife of the king of Sparta had been captured by Paris of Troy and taken to Troy.  Following ten years of siege, the Greeks used the deception of a wooden horse to take the city. Today the tables might be reversing as Turkey strives to be admitted to the EU and could well prove to be a “Trojan Horse” to secular Europe. Recent events show that Turkey is moving away from the secular state formed by Ataturk in 1923 when he abolished the Caliphate, ending the Ottoman Islamic empire.

It is useful to reflect on what the EU might inherit inside the Trojan Horse that is Turkey today. Continue Reading →

Silence. Or I sue you.

college-ape1The Muslim custom of sueing those who disagree with what they say or do continues even when it comes to science. Or at least the Islamic version of science.

from The Wall Street Journal

An Islamic Creationist Stirs a New Kind of Darwinian Struggle

Also weighing in on his side are very aggressive lawyers. They’ve repeatedly gone to court in Turkey to silence critics whom Mr. Oktar accuses of spreading “lies and insults.” Scores of Web sites have been banned at his behest.

ISTANBUL — As scientists around the world celebrate the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin’s seminal work on evolution, Adnan Oktar, a college dropout turned theorist of Islamic creationism, is working on the fifth volume of a 14-part masterwork that he says will bury Darwinism once and for all.

“Darwin and his theory are dead,” says Mr. Oktar, founder and honorary president of the Science Research Foundation, an Istanbul outfit dedicated to debunking the Victorian-era English naturalist. Darwin, says his 52-year-old Turkish scourge, is “Satan’s biggest trick on humanity.”

Mr. Oktar, who briefly studied interior design, hasn’t had much success swaying scientists with the weight of his research. “He is a complete and utter ignoramus,” says Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary biologist and Oxford University professor.

The physical weight of Mr. Oktar’s work, however, is considerable. Each volume of his anti-Darwin magnum opus, “Atlas of Creation,” weighs more than 13 pounds. Also weighing in on his side are very aggressive lawyers. They’ve repeatedly gone to court in Turkey to silence critics whom Mr. Oktar accuses of spreading “lies and insults.” Scores of Web sites have been banned at his behest.

These include the site of Oxford’s Prof. Dawkins, which Mr. Oktar — who writes under the pen name Harun Yahya — got blocked last fall after it posted an article entitled “Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya.” Prof. Dawkins responded to the ban by posting a Turkish translation of the article. Mr. Oktar derides Prof. Dawkins, an outspoken atheist, as “a pagan monk.”

Mr. Oktar’s combative zeal has put him in the vanguard of what some secular-minded Turks lament as a dangerous phenomenon: a retreat from science into religious dogma. “We are trying to turn the trend back, but I’m not sure we’ll be successful,” says Aykut Kence, a biology professor at Ankara’s Middle East Technical University.

Prof. Kence has worked with like-minded scholars on a series of conferences and other events marking Darwin’s birth 200 years ago and the publication, in 1859, of “On the Origin of Species.” He last week joined a chorus of secular outrage over a decision by the official journal of Turkey’s state scientific-research council to pull a planned cover story on Darwin.

“If people can’t accept Darwin, they can’t accept science. They can’t think,” says Prof. Kence.

A recent survey found that only a quarter of students entering Turkish universities accept Darwin’s theory of evolution and that the proportion is much the same when they graduate. The findings, says Prof. Kence, are “very depressing.” Continue Reading →

Al-Jazeera Reporter wanted to Assassinate Obama

aljazeerafrom World Watch-CBS News

Saudis Report Plot To Assassinate Obama

The Saudi Arabian newspaper al-Watan reported today that Turkish security services have arrested a man of Syrian origins Friday in connection with a plot to assassinate President Barack Obama during his current visit to Turkey.

The man, who was carrying an Al-Jazeera TV ID card in the name of M.G., confessed after his arrest that he was planning on stabbing the U.S. president with a knife during the Alliance of Civilizations summit held in Istanbul, adding that he had three other accomplices to help him execute his plan.

According to the paper, Turkish investigators were trying to verify whether the Qatari-based Arab TV channel has truly issued the ID card produced by the man, or if it’s a forged copy.

The suspect, a permanent resident of Istanbul, has been regularly attending all conferences and events relating to the Middle East held in the city.

Al-Watan contacted Al-Jazeera’s bureau chief in Ankara, Yucef al-Sharif, who said that news of the suspect came as a complete surprise to Al-Jazeera staff in Turkey, who all claimed that they knew nothing about the man.

“We learned that he (the suspect) claimed to be working for our bureau … if that has been the case then he most certainly forged our ID card,” al-Sharif told al-Watan in a phone call from Ankara.

Al-Sharif said that Turkish security services know everyone who worked in Al-Jazeera’s offices in Ankara.

Turkish Progrom Against the Greeks

Although this article was posted by one of our other European authors, I felt it was worthwhile to post a brief forward to the article he posted.

In fact the Turks where the people who invented the idea of the final solution more or less as it was carried out in Germany under Hitler. The Turks informed the remaining Christians of Constantinople sometime during or after WW1 that they where to be sent out of Istanbul as the Turks call it, to be re-situated in Christian friendly lands. When they boarded trains and cattle cars they where taken to remote locations within Turkey and slaughtered as German officers looked on and reported back home.

The total number of murdered, in the order of one point five million peoples.

Anyone interested in details should consider purchasing the excellent comprehensive history of Islam, ‘Farewell Israel’

TURKISH POGROM AGAINST THE GREEK POPULATION OF CONSTANTINOPLE 6-7 SEPTEMBER 1955The aftermath of the Turkish pogrom against the Greek population of Constantinople (Istanbul), September 6-7 1955“Special Edition to commemorate the Pogrom of September 1955”“Ta Septemvriana”

by Costa Vertzayias 5 September 2005

“The events of September” or “Septemvriana”as they are known to the ethnic Greek inhabitants of Constantinople (Istanbul) to describe the pogrom that took place in that city fifty years ago on the 6-7 September 1955. On that horrific night, at least as intense as the Kristallnacht of 1938 in NAZI Germany, a Turkish Government orchestrated pogrom set out to physically destroy everything Greek in Constantinople. Wave after wave of frenzied mobs systematically destroyed:

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