
This is who they are. The election is today but it is a municipal one.
“The secret of all victory lies in the organization of the non-obvious.” -Marcus Aurelius

This is who they are. The election is today but it is a municipal one.
H/T Martin
The FPÖ (Austrian Freedom Party) and the Greens voted against it. They argued that there’s no religious freedom in Saudi Arabia. The former justice minister Bandion-Ortner is supposed to be the deputy general secretary.
The “King Abdullah Center” for interreligious and intercultural dialogue” is welcomed in Austria. The national assembly reached an agreement on Friday afternoon against the negative votes of the FPÖ and the Greens to provide this center with the status of legal personality, which is to be established in Vienna. This is controversial mainly because it is financed by Saudi Arabia.
The FPÖ wants among others the renaming of the center, which is to be named after the saudi king, for the nature of the regime in Saudi Arabia is not compatible with an institution for religious dialogue. The FPÖ also considers that this institution is financilly not sustainable on the long term. However. they spoke in favor of the centrum while being in the committee. The Greens had been always against it, with their representative Alev Korun saying that it would be to put the fox in charge of the henhouse, if one sees how human rights and freedom of religion are trodded upon
The SPÖ and the ÖVP defend the decision
The ÖVP (Austrian People’s Party) defended (the plan for) the centrum and rebuked these arguments saying that dialogue is indispensable, and Vienna should remain a city of dialogue. Representative Reinhold Lopatka said that the wahhabis (the leading group in Saudi Arabia) should also not be excluded. The SPÖ (Austrian Socialist Party) representative Hannes Weninger understood concerns that the center could be used as a cover for the regime in Riyad, but the general declaration of human rights and freedom of religion in the preamble of the institute’s declaration is also to be taken into consideration. The BZÖ (Alliance for the Future of Austria) based its positive vote in the neccesity of dialogue.
The directorate of the institution will have representants from 12 religions, including judaism. The former justice minister Claudia Bandion-Ortner (ÖVP) is supposed to fill the post of deputy general secretary. The opening of the center is scheduled for the end of November.
Sanity found in Austria
Big blow for the mustards, no doubt they’ve got some other venue in mind, but I’ll take any successful torpedoing of their plans as a major victory.
H/T ESW
By Henrik R. Clausen

While I was working on a polite essay ”What is ‘denigration’, really?”, events overtook the intended polite and analytical approach. At an Austrian court, Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff had her conviction for ”Denigrating the teachings of a recognized religion” upheld. The court deemed that her uttering ”an excess of opinion” about Muhammad having sex with minors, and that doing so was subject to a fine of 480 euros, alternatively 60 days in jail.
Many of us consider freedom of expression is a fundamental right in itself. Expressions used in criminal ways, like committing fraud or inciting violence is indeed a matter for the courts, but a victimless crime where not even a single Muslim protested that his faith had been ‘denigrated’, surely cannot be subject to legal action, fines or jail time. In a free society, that is.
The difference comes when the State as such submits to Islam. In that case, the supposed ‘sanctity’ of Islamic teachings obtain protection by the Law, and due to the Islamic tradition that the life of Muhammad was a perfect example for all (male) Muslims, everything Muhammad did is to be considered holy and thus protected from criticism. That includes his having sex with minors.
The implications of this are huge, for how are we to speak out against the tradition of child brides that still exist in many Islamic countries if we’re not even permitted to express any ”excess of opinion”, as defined by the Court? Would we have to run every possible criticism or sarcastic comment past the Court for approval before it is made public? What are people whose e livelihood consists of satire and mockery – stand-up comedians, satire magazines – supposed to do if they come across the idea to mock religiously sanctioned sexual relationships with minors, or those who justify them?
Also, according to the Courts of Austria, we are supposed to avoid the term ‘paedophilia’ when talking about old men having sex with prepubescent girls. For, according to the Court of Austria, ‘paedophilia’ denotes the urge to have sex with under age girls, not the actual act of doing so. Further, if these sexual relations continue until the girl reaches maturity, calling the relationship ‘paedophile’ is an excess of opinion that cannot be permitted. One wonders what Mr. Fritzl thinks of that decision…
There exist other and freer countries than Austria, for instance Denmark. Here it is still permissible to express negative opinions about religious stupidity or evil, as long as that is not directed against some minority group or others. Convictions do happen, however, if an ”excess of opinion” is directed against minority groups, as happened for Lars Hedegaard and Jesper Langballe, when they made passing references to the high frequency of sexual assaults within Muslim families.
But enough of the boring analysis, let’s get to what matters, namely denigrating some religious stupidity. Here’s a Top 10 of Islamic ”religious teachings” that deserve nothing but scorn and mockery. Let’s start with some benign and obvious issues:
As reported in the live-blog earlier today, the high-court judge in Vienna actually quoted an authoritative hadith in the courtroom: “Muhammad’s wife Aisha entered the marriage at age 6, which was consummated at the age of 9.” He then acknowledged that the passage was already public knowledge, and thus repeating it could not be punishable under the law.
He upheld Elisabeth’s conviction, however, based on a somewhat peculiar interpretation of Austrian law: to say “Mohammed had a thing for little girls” is an “excess of opinion” that cannot be tolerated. It constitutes ridicule, and is not justifiable.
An interesting and useful corollary can be derived from today’s ruling: it is now completely legal to quote in public the authoritative hadith about Mohammed’s sex acts with a nine-year-old girl. A precedent was established today — at least in Austria.
The judge’s decision gave one of our Austrian contacts a brilliant idea: rent space on a billboard and blazon that (legally acceptable) statement in four-foot-high letters where everyone in Vienna can read it!
With that notion in mind, I took the liberty of placing the relevant virtual text on an existing billboard in the city of Vienna:

An image with the same text in German is below the jump: Continue Reading →
Austria must pride itself on very specific distinctions. The conviction on ESW has been maintained by the court of appeals in Vienna with the odd proviso that had she said something in the order of…
‘Mohamed liked to sleep with Children’
That would, according to this judge, be A OK. But because she had said what she did say, specifically that “Mohamed had a thing for young girls”, that was a statement punishable by jail. If she doesn’t pay the fine that is.
I can only assume this is because saying it one way is mocking the religion or its principle deities and personages while saying it the other way is a dry statement of fact.
Even so, I am quite confident that had she said the other, she would have been charged with stating a fact in a context offensive to a “legally recognized religion” but had she said it the other way it would have been perfectly acceptable as a form of humor.
Once again, the words of Christopher Hitchens haunt us all…
“Austria is the country that fooled us all into thinking that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Viennese”
I have no idea what Elisabeth plans to do next and probably neither does she. But I know what we must all do.
Make T shirts mocking Islam the way the fashionable and young do about Jesus.
Make sure you speak the truth loudly about Islam everywhere you can.
Mock Islam the same way the left mocked Bush and continues to do so to the Republican party. After all, people can chose to be Muslim or republican (although rarely both) and mockery of either one is not racism no matter how many times that meme is howled by the sanctimonious.
Because freedom of speech is a use it or lose it proposition. The moment we tacitly agree to not say certain things for whatever reason, the law fills up the vacuum and you lose the choice to say it.
This includes holocaust denial. Because recent history shows us that suppression of lies causes them to flourish while suppression of the truth makes slaves of us all. Let all say what they may and let the light of day sort out the truth of it.
The Tundra Tabloids will be live blogging the hearing today, December 20, 2011, 9-11 am,(local Viennese time, 10-12am Finnish time). Elisabeth is appealing her wrongful conviction conviction on “hate speech” violations. KGS
UPDATE: First conviction is CONFIRMED!
Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff: The question is: Are we allowed to say that Mohammed married a 6-year-old and consummated the marriage when she was nine? Are we allowed this truthful statement in a democratic society of which freedom of speech is or should be a cornerstone? Are we as laypeople required to know the clinical definition of “pedophilia”? And, most importantly, does religious law trump secular law?
Live blogging begins, local time.
All pictures and reporting by Henrik Raeder Clausen
In front of the court house.
Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff, Dr. Rami
Court room
The court makes a summary of what the case is about: §188 appeal case. Denigration of legally recognized religion, specifically Muhammad.
Problem is that Muhammad is considered a perfect example for Muslim men, that is against our laws and public order. He had a large consumption of women, including minors, and in general behaved in ways contrary to modern law. That is all documentable from the Bukhari hadith.
Susanne Winter said similar things and was convicted.
A 54-year having sex with a 9 year old, what do we call this, if not pedophilia?
The buffoonery of the Austrian government doesn’t involve just its massive trade dealings with the rogue Iranian regime, it also consists of systematically persecuting its own citizens daring to speak up about Islam. Do you think that they’re connected in any way? KGS

On February 15, 2011, the Austrian Counterjihad activist Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff was convicted of “hate speech” in a Vienna courtroom for what she said in a private seminar about Muhammad and Islam.
The original charge was “incitement to hatred”. On the second day of her trial, the judge at her own discretion added a second charge, “denigration of religious beliefs of a legally recognized religion.” Elisabeth was acquitted of the first charge, but convicted of the second. She was sentenced to pay a fine of €480. Her case is currently being appealed to Austria’s highest court. If the verdict is upheld, and she refuses to pay the fine, she will spend two months in jail.
How could this happen in a modern European democratic state which recognizes the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and enshrines the right to free speech in its Constitution?
From RT:
Let us indulge in no illusions. Europe will be the battlefield for a major struggle between the order of Islam and its enemies. 40% of the population in Arab countries is under 14 years of age. 15 million Muslims are already living in Europe today and the ageing of Europe is unmissable. The Muslim threat was beaten back in Castile, Southern France and, finally, in front of Vienna. But today the border between Europe and the Islamic world is porous, and the threat to Europe is clear.
Please click over to the link at the top and read the whole article. It is short but important.
Not hate speech or incitement!
The Tundra Tabloids receives word from Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff -who told the TT the she was elated about this acquittal and offers her congratulations- that SOS Österriech is reporting a major win for the Austrian anti-Islamization movement. Three cheers for the Austrians. KGS
NOTE: Styria, is an Austrian province
The judge in her ruling declared:
“I did not judge whether the game is tasteful, classy, or ??reverent. But whether it shall constitute an act of incitement. “
“The debate over whether the building of minarets should be banned” a question that is being discussed all over Europe. ” The question was legitimate. “If a game allows for two types of interpretation – incitement to hatred or a mouthpiece for a claim – then it means that is always to choose the cheaper option for the defendant.”
“We have no crosshairs, there is no shot noise, no weapon is present, the building does not collapse. The use of the circle follows logically from the statements which we have heard.
This shows that this game has a very clear distinction to this person shooter games. “
It was “a legitimate representation of the FPÖ opinion.”
He had already read in court records that young people say that the Koran allow them to beat classmates. Therefore: “We are Herinnes probably little affected by the issue, but people in the school farms already.”
“I can still recall the statement made ??by Mr Schakfeh (in each province a mosque with a minaret), and then came the game. This is also logical that comes this way. “
“In Switzerland, no one has thought that this is a shooting game. There was no conviction for incitement. So I do me hard here to see a purpose. “
“Quite the contrary, I find that the game title in Austria is still a bit of harmless than in Switzerland.”
“In summary, based on the grounds of acquittal.”
The prosecutor appealing the decision!
He still maintains the charge of incitement to hatred and punishment and urge imposition of a fine.
We congratulate the Styrian Provincial Gerhard Kurzmann and the Swiss advertising expert Alexander Segert to this acquittal – and make it clear:
A resident of Vienna angered by authorities has been allowed to wear a sieve on his head in a photograph used for his driving licence.Niko Alm explained today (Weds) he was furious that officials had no problem with Muslim women wearing headscarves when posing for their driving licence and passport pictures. The atheist decided to don a noodle sieve in 2008. Alm revealed he also wore the cooking utensil when he headed to ID offices in Vienna to apply for a new driving licence in 2008.
The 35-year-old man said clerks initially had no objections. However, a public servant called him up only 10 minutes after he had left the office to tell him that wearing a sieve posed a breach of regulations. Alm decided to try to get a doctor declaring him mentally insane at the time he went to have the photographs taken. The expert examined him to rule he was sane at that time. The doctor also said there were no reasons to ban Alm from driving.
Eventually, city decision-makers found themselves unable to veto Alm’s sieve picture stunt. However, they are accused of taking revenge on him by failing to inform him for nearly two years that he could come and pick up his new driving licence. An anonymous clerk who sympathised with Alm’s approach to the issue rang him after finding out that his request was granted – 21 months after he applied for a new licence.
Alm revealed today he now planned to call on the culture ministry to officially acknowledge the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The parody religion – also called Pastafarianism – was created in the United States six years ago.
From SDAMATT2‘s youtube page:
This is a short update concerning my trial.
You may remember that I was found guilty of “denigrating the religious teachings of a legally recognized religion” byalluding that Mohammed was a pedophile because he married six-year-old Aisha and consummated the marriage when she was nine. The judge — seemingly forced by the powers that be to find me guilty of something, anything — decided on a guilty verdict, because although Mohammed did indeed marry and deflower Aisha, he stayed with her until he died, i.e. past her 18th birthday, and thus his behavior could not be seen as pedophilia.
I am still disgusted by this verdict, as it constitutes another vile attack on girls and women, by the government of a democratic, secular country no less!
Below you will be able to read more about my last day in court. Read it and weep. The verdict was already written before my lawyer and I had even uttered our first words. We could have called Mohammed and Aisha as expert witnesses and it would not have changed the verdict.
A sad day for women and girls as well as for free speech.