Neo-Nazis, those who wish to recreate the WW2 party, National Socialist Workers Party (NAZI) have teamed up with Muslims again, to vent their collective spleens at Jews. Its a shame that this fine German periodical as bought into the myth that Nazi’s are right wing as have most people. But it should be obvious to anyone who thinks about it for more than five seconds whether Hitler was left wing or right. For anyone still uncertain, Ill put the excellent movie The Soviet Story at the bottom so you can easily get all the facts.
From Der Spiegel:
Anti-Semitic Alliance
The Shared Extremism of Neo-Nazis and Migrant Youth
By Sven Röbel
DDP images/Martin Oeser
The synagogue in Worms became the target of an arson attack in mid-May. The authorities still don’t know who was behind the attack.
It was supposed to be a carefree festival in Sahlkamp on the outskirts of the northern German city of Hanover. Billed as an “International Day” to celebrate social diversity and togetherness, the June celebration included performances by a multicultural children’s choir called “Happy Rainbow” and the German-Turkish rap duo 3-K. Music from Afghanistan was also on the program.
But then the mood suddenly shifted.
When Hajo Arnds, the organizer of the neighborhood festival, stepped onto the stage at about 6:45 p.m. to announce the next performance, by the Jewish dance group Chaverim, he was greeted with catcalls. “Jews out!” some of the roughly 30 young people standing in front of the stage began shouting. “Gone with the Jews!”
The voices were those of children — voices full of hate, shouted in unison and amplified by a toy megaphone. Arnds, the organizer, was shocked. He knew many of the children, most of them from Arab immigrant families in the neighborhood.
A social worker, Arnds tried using the tools of his profession — words — to save the situation. But his words were met with stones, thrown at the stage by people taking cover in the crowd. One of the stones hit a female Chaverim dancer in the leg, resulting in an angry bruise.
Inflammatory Propaganda and Criminal Violence
Arnds immediately cancelled the dance performance. Still speaking through the microphone, he said that he wasn’t sure whether the festival could even continue after this incident. When adults walked to the front of the crowd to confront and talk to the children, they were verbally abused, and some of the teenagers ran away. The Jewish dance group was taken to a safe place, and the festival was allowed to continue. The last performance of the evening was by a duo singing Russian songs. “They’re not Jews,” one of the young people in front of the stage shouted, “so they can perform here.” A criminal complaint was not filed with the police until several days later.
Until now, attacks on Jews, Jewish institutions and Jewish symbols have almost always been committed by right-wing extremist groups. In the first quarter of 2010 alone, the German Interior Ministry documented 183 anti-Semitic offences committed by right-wing radicals, including graffiti, inflammatory propaganda and physical violence.
The stone-throwing incident in Hanover, however, has finally forced the authorities to take a closer look at a group of offenders that, though largely overlooked until now, is no less motivated by anti-Zionist sentiments: adolescents and young adults from an immigrant community who are influenced by Islamist ideas and are prepared to commit acts of violence.
An informal and accidental alliance has been developing for some time between neo-Nazis and some members of a group they would normally despise: Muslim immigrants. The two groups seem to share vaguely similar anti-Semitic ideologies.
Right-wing extremists and Islamists, says Heinz Fromm, the president of the German domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), are united by “a common bogeyman: Israel and the Jews as a whole.” While German right-wing extremists cultivate a “more or less obvious racist anti-Semitism,” says Fromm, the Islamists are “oriented toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict” and support “anti-Zionist ideological positions, which can also have anti-Jewish and anti-Semitic overtones.” Both extremist movements, says Fromm, “ascribe extraordinary political power to Israel and the Jews, and their goal is to fight this power.”
‘A Tree, a Noose, a Jew’s Neck’
Although the BfV has not separately identified anti-Semitic crimes associated with Islamist groups until now, investigators are paying close attention to the development of anti-Jewish tendencies within the milieu.
Anti-Semitism from the two groups shows itself in different ways in Germany. On the one hand, there are the efforts of extremist right-wing groups, which tend to follow a certain pattern. During a football match in April, for example, supporters of SV Mügeln-Ablass 09, a district-league football club in the eastern state of Saxony, chanted “a tree, a noose, a Jew’s neck” and “we’re building a subway, from Jerusalem to Auschwitz,” until the match was stopped.
According to the German government’s response to a parliament inquiry by Left Party politician Petra Pau, Jewish cemeteries in Germany are defaced, vandalized or destroyed about once every 10 days. Memorial sites are also frequently targeted. Last month, for example, extremists defaced a memorial plaque in the western city of Bochum, a Jewish cemetery in Babenhausen in the state of Hesse and a memorial in Beckum in the Münsterland region.
On the other hand, say BfV officials, Islamist ideologues are creating problems with their anti-Israeli tirades, which are being broadcast on the Internet and television. “You can expect this sort of propaganda to have an impact on certain social groups,” says Fromm.
The Israelis’ bloody military intervention against a flotilla of aid vessels off the coast of Gaza on May 31, in which nine Turkish activists where shot dead, has triggered a new wave of hate. The Jewish community in Berlin promptly reported “a rapid increase in anti-Semitic propaganda and death threats against Jews on the Internet.” This is particularly the case on Facebook where, according to Jewish officials in Berlin, users like Ulubas L. are spreading their message of hate with statements like: “The only good Jew is a dead Jew.”
Breeding Ground
TV productions like the Iranian series “Zahra’s Blue Eyes,” broadcast into the living rooms of immigrant families in Germany, only add to the problem. The program is based on a horror story in which a fictitious Israeli general has doctors remove the eyes of a Palestinian girl so that they can be transplanted into his blind son.
Such propaganda apparently serves as a breeding ground for anti-Jewish sentiments among poorly integrated members of the immigrant community — sentiments which can quickly explode into violence. In late June, for example, two Israeli tourists made the mistake of conversing in Hebrew at a Berlin nightclub. Another guest, apparently of Palestinian descent, asked them where they were from. When one of the tourists, a 22-year-old man, replied, “from Israel,” the man attacked him and his companion.
The situation escalated when a Turkish-born bouncer intervened and attacked the Israelis with pepper spray. The tourists were able to flee and required medical treatment. Law enforcement officials assume that the attack was the result of “anti-Semitic sentiment.” The bouncer and the man who attacked the Israelis, whose identity is still unknown, are being investigated for aggravated assault and battery.
The Jewish community in Worms, located in the southwestern state of Rhineland-Palatinate, was also the target of a recent attack. In mid-May, unknown assailants tried to set the city’s historic synagogue on fire. Forensics experts later identified eight sources of fire at the crime scene. In addition, a Molotov cocktail was thrown through the window of the synagogue’s library.
Understanding the Background
The community was lucky; the building did not go up in flames. Nearby, the police found letters claiming responsibility, written in broken German: “As long as you don’t leave the Palestinians alone, we won’t leave you alone.” It is still unclear whether the pamphlets indicate that the perpetrators were Islamists or were left there as a red herring. According to the state’s Interior Ministry, the authorities are “working hard to investigate all possible leads.”
Meanwhile residents and social workers are trying to understand the background and motives of the adolescents who attacked Jewish dancers with stones at the “International Day” event in Hanover’s Sahlkamp neighborhood.
There is no visible evidence of Jewish life in the district, which has about 14,000 residents. According to the police, the stone-throwing incident on June 19 was the first case of anti-Semitic violence in the area. So far, authorities have identified 12 possible suspects. They are between 9 and 19 years old, many are not yet old enough to be prosecuted, and 11 of them have an “Arab immigrant background,” according to the public prosecutor’s office in the city. No one has said anything yet on the possible motives for the attack. The only comments, so far, came from a little girl, perhaps 10 or 11 years old, who was addressed immediately after the attack by a woman attending the neighborhood festival.
“What’s going on here?” the woman asked.
“The Germans say: Foreigners out!” the girl replied. “Why can’t we say: Jews out?” Then she ran away.
Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan
and magically the right wing are the NAZI’s
Socialism was a manifestation of the ideology of Karl Marx.
Karl Marx was an ethnically Jewish man who hated Jewish people, and whose father was an ethnically Jewish man who converted to Christianity.
The ideology of Karl Marx which was a totalitarian ideology whose structure was similar to traditional Christian European anti-Jewish bigotry (“There exists a small group of evil people in the world who are the cause of the majority of the suffering of the noble majority of the people of the world, and, for the benefit of the well-being of the noble majority of the people in the world, the noble majority of the people of the world must, by any means necessary, including mass-murder, prevent the evil small group of people in the world from exerting any influence in, and if, neccessary existing in, society”). The ideology of Karl Marx is also expliicity anti-Jewish. Karl Marx wrote that Jewish people are the most greedy and malevolent people in the world and that Jewish culture is a culture of materialist greed. He, like all other Jewish people who succumb to a sever degree to the Stockholm Syndrome that almost all Jewish people experiece, to varying degrees, as a psychological coping mechanism, held deranged bigoted wrong antipathetic views about (traditional culturally Christian European views about), and felt antipathy towards (traditional culturally Christian European antipathy towards) Jewish people, as a psychological coping mechanism.
Adolf Hitler held extremely vicious antipahteic views about, and felt extreme intense hatred towards Jewish people. Adolf Hitler held an intense form of traditional Christian European anti-Jewish bigotry. Adolf Hitler viewed Jewish people as being weak and pathetic and revolting as individuals, and he viewed Jewish people as being all-powerful controllers of the world as a group.
Adolf Hitler referred to himself as a Socialist but he hated Bolshevism, of which relatively ethnically Jewish people – delusional anti-Jewish ethnically Jewish people – were members and leaders of, of which Adolf Hitler referred to as international Jewish Bolshevism, which he thought of as being a Jewish conspiracy to destroy German, and other European, nationhoods and to take over the world. In the 1920’s Adolf Hitler founded the Socialist political party the German National Socialist party (the Nazi party), which, unlike other Socialist political movements and Socialist political parties of that time, and unlike other Socialist political movements of that time, and unlike Socialist political parties since after the genocide committed against the Jewish people of Europe by the German and non-German members of the German Nazi regime of Germany, and by very many German and non-German supporters of of the German Nazi regime of Germany, German National Socialism was explicitly racially anti-Jewish, and explicitly genocidally anti-Jewish.
Correction:
“…but he hated Bolshevism, of which relatively ethnically Jewish people – delusional anti-Jewish ethnically Jewish people – were members and leaders of…”
should be,
“…but he hated Bolshevism, of which relatively many ethnically Jewish people – delusional anti-Jewish ethnically Jewish people – were members of, and leaders of…”
I think that the terms Left-wing and Right-wing may have been invented after World War II and the German Nazi genocide of the Jewish people of Europe, by people who held political views that are now called Leftist (Marxist-based) as a way to distance themselves from, and to differentiate themselves from, Adolf Hitler’s explicitely, racially, genocidally anti-Jewish Socialism.
I apologize for my typos.
What is very important to understand, most importantly at this time, is that during the 1930’s, many Socialists, and many non-Jewish Liberal intellectuals and academics, in Western countries supported, and very many non-Jewish Liberal intellectuals and academics and politicians excused the anti-Jewish bigotry and anti-Jewish policies of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany, and even praised Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany, and excused the explicit intense anti-Jewish bigotry of, and the anti-Jewish laws that were being implemented in Germany by, Adolf Hitler in Germany.
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It is important to understand that, in the 1930’s, Jewish people who, and non-Jewish people who, protested against and warned of the danger of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany were vilified and called – *literally* – “Warmongers” – and were done so especially by politically Liberal people who explicitely refered to themselves as – *literally* – “Pacifists”.
It is important to understand that most of the non-Jewish people who protested against, and warned of the danger of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime, were poltitically Conservative.
It is important to know that some few Jewish people, because of their total succumbing (as a result of extreme egocentrism), to the form of Stockholm-Syndrome that almost all Jewish people experience to varying degrees, which is caused by the Kafkaesque experience (utter psychological trauma) of being Jewish in the societies that Jewish people have lived in for thousands of years) , verbally attacked politically conservative people who warned of the danger of Adolf Hitler and the German Nazi regime of Germany.
At this time, the situation is even more horrific, and dangerous, and perverse.
I think that the so-called Anti-Fascist movement was a movement that was begun by Socialists outside of Germany in Western countries, and was involved in by the Socialists outside of Germany, in Western countries (who were the majority of the Socialists outside of Germany, in Western countries) who, sided with Communist Soviet Russia against Nazi (German National Socialist) Germany after Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany broke their alliance with each other, at, I think, the immediate beginning of World War II.
Nazism was a form of Socialism that intensified, and made explicitly racial, and explicitly, and actively, genocidal, the inherent anti-Jewish nature of the collectivist, totalitarian, utopianistic, blaming-of-a-particular-group-of-people-for-the-suffering-of-all-other-people, ideology Socialism.
It should be noted, however, that, in the past, I think, relatively many people who, and currently, I think, some few people who, considered themselves Socialists were not, and are not, aware of, and would have been, and would be, opposed to the inherent anti-Jewish nature of Socialism, and I think some, but I don’t know how many, non-Jewish people who considered themselves Socialists, and I think some very few non-Jewish people who consider themselves Socialists, actively opposed anti-Jewish bigotry, and actively oppose anti-Jewish bigotry – whose overt expression is currently socially acceptable in Western countries only as, and is currently manifested in Western countries mainly as, bigotry against the country of the Jewish people, Israel. Anti-Jewish bigotry is currently manifested in Western countries mainly as belief in, and propagation of, perverse obscene lies that vilify the country of the Jewish people, Israel, which has been under an intendedly genocidal military, diplomatic, terroristic, and propagandic siege since several decades before Israel was voted a country in the United Nations by a majority vote in 1948.
@Warmongers
Yes , that is all a very good analysis of who the Nazi’s were which I read most of it at other sources but I have never read this part:
“people who, protested against and warned of the danger of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany were vilified and called – *literally* – “Warmongers” – and were done so especially by politically Liberal people who explicitly referred to themselves as – *literally* – “Pacifists”.”
Fascinating. I am going to look into that.
Thank you
The following is some information about me.
My ethnic background – my ethnicity – is Jewish (Jewish-Russian(Ukrianian)-Polish).
The political views that I hold can, I think, be accurately described as a balance between Classical Liberalism and Social Liberalism.
The existential view that I hold, and the existential practice that I strive to follow, is Theravada Buddhism.
I used to, but I no longer do, consider myself politically “Liberal”.
I am hurt by, and frustrated by, and enraged by, the inherent anti-Jewish nature of Christianity, and by the situation that Jewish people have been in for almost 2000 years because of, bigoted wrong views of, and harmful wrong actions of, people who were adherents of, Christianity, and because of the bigoted wrong views of, and harmful wrong actions of people who are, adherents of, Christianity, but I have recently, after observing the actions of some people who hold Christian religious views who defend the country of the Jewish people not just out of bigoted Christian religious ideology but also because of beneficial right moral views that they hold, I have come to realize that many Christian people hold beneficial moral views, and I have come to have an appreciation for the beneficial moral views that many people who hold Christian religious views have, and I have come to have an appreciation for, and a fondness for, many people who hold Christian religious views.
OxAO,
Thank you for your appreciation. I appreciate it.
About,
“people who, protested against and warned of the danger of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany were vilified and called – *literally* – “Warmongers” – and were done so especially by politically Liberal people who explicitly referred to themselves as – *literally* – “Pacifists”
The following is a link to an audio-video recording of a lecture in which the lecturer talks about some aspects of this. (The lecture begins a few minutes into the video, after an introduction to the lecturer by the host of the lecture); The lecturer, in his lecture, uses, unfortunately, as do most people, in most cases, use, unfortunately, the euphemistic imprecise term “antisemitism” as a term for anti-Jewish bigotry. The term “antisemitism” is a euphemistic imprecise term, and therefore can, and does, cause more confusion about anti-Jewish bigotry, and, also, is, therefore, a term of speech that can easily be, and that is, used dishonestly as a rhetorical weapon against Jewish people by people who hold bigoted antipathetic views about, and who feel antipathy towards, Jewish people.
“Are We Reliving the 1930s? How West European Philo-Semites became Anti-Semites before the Second World War”, by Dr. Simcha Epstein
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=723&FID=799&PID=0
There is something I do not understand about the Nazis. How do these proud Whites exactly combine the race theory of Adolf Hitler with friendship between them and non Arian, non white sand niggers? It does not make sense? Something more odd is how is “Blood and Honor” be neglected by accepting sand niggers as ideological friends? The Muslim are by now busy with invading and gradually occupying their ‘Heimatland’.
“…There is something I do not understand about the Nazis…”
I think that Nazis really hate only Jewish people.
I think that Nazis really hate only Jewish people largely because, and I think that most non-Jewish people who hate Jewish people hate Jewish people largely because, those people who hate Jewish people they feel their egos (the very egocentric wrong self-view that they hold in which they believe that they are superior to other people) threatened by Jewish people.
Someone who is a Nazi does not feel their ego threatened by ethnically non-Jewish, ethnically non-European, people who, like themselves, feel their egos threatened by Jewish people.
Correction:
“..Someone who is a Nazi does not feel their ego threatened by ethnically non-Jewish, ethnically non-European, people who, like themselves, feel their egos threatened by Jewish people.”
I meant to write,
“…Someone who is a Nazi does not feel their ego threatened by those ethnically non-Jewish, ethnically non-European, people who, like themselves, feel their egos threatened by Jewish people.”
@Daniel Bielak
first a question that has been bugging me for years and it is this point that you said:
“I am hurt by, and frustrated by, and enraged by, the inherent anti-Jewish nature of Christianity”
Can you explain this? yes Christians many years ago did treat Jews very poorly but I don’t see that today at all. It would seem to me Christians might be the Jewish people’s best allies and friends. Remember I am not Christian nor am I Jewish but just as an out sider looking at both.
I listened to Dr. Epstein here a long time ago and Just now listened again. He makes some interesting points but he is hard to listen too.
Thanks
@ thomasson
let’s not call them sand niggers please
To answer your question:
Agreeing with Daniel:
A simplistic measure of how powerful the left is is relative to how effectively they demonize the Jewish people. Which are rooted in Karl Marx theories.
The answer as to why Nazis would grant ‘aryan’ status to Arabs lies here: http://bankoran.com/?p=96
Its also worth looking up why Persia changed its name to Iran.
OxAO,
How it feels to be Jewish (to be a human being who has been born into the situation of being Jewish in this world) is very overwhelming – it’s very distressing – it’s very painful. It’s like being a character in a Kafka novel. I, now, don’t blame anybody for it. I understand the factors involved in it. Jewish people are also, in addition to Christian and European and Muslim and Arab people, responsible for the situation that Jewish people have been in for millenia. However, the way that Jewish people are responsible for the situation that they are in, and that they have been in for millenia, is almost exactly opposite to way that non-Jewish people who hold bigoted antipathetic views about Jewish people, and who feel antipathy toward Jewish people, view Jewish people as being responsible for it and accuse Jewish people of being responsible for it.
Jewish people are a traumatized people. From genocide against Jewish people to genocide against Jewish people. It is deeply personal. It lasts. The psychologcial effects last. It carries down, environmentally psychologically, from parents to children. And the belief, held by many non-Jewish people, in lies that vilify Jewish people has a big harmful effect on Jewish people. Being treated with intransigent contempt by non-Jewish people has a deep psychological harmful effect on Jewish people. It is horrific and maddening people who are for Jewish people when oneself, or some of one’s fellow Jewish people, are trying to verbally defend oneself or one’s fellow Jewish people against lies that vilify Jewish people, and one experiences the response that is made by the accusers which is “I know – we know – that you are guilty, you lying Jew”, which is currently implicitly and explicitly expressed by the accusers as as “I know you – we know – that you are guilty, you lying ‘Zionist'”).
Why those genocides occur, and why the belief in lies that vilify Jewish people exists, involves the allowing, in varying, subtle and gross, ways, by Jewish people, of these genocides to occur, and involved in that, involves the allowing, in varying, subtle and gross way, of lies that vilify Jewish people to be believed by many Jewish people. Jewish people allow, and even promote, to varying degrees, in varying, subtle and gross ways, those things by doing certain types of wrong actions, such as, and mainly, speaking self-destructive appeasing harmful wrong speech, which Jewish people do because of a certain types of unbeneficial self-harming mindset that I think almost all Jewish people have, to varying degrees, of which a large part of those unbeneficial mindsets have been caused by those genocides and by the harmful actions of many non-Jewish people among whom Jewish have lived (hating, falsely accusing, mass-murdering, mass-torturing, expelling, creating anti-Jewish laws against, treating with intransigent contempt, Jewish people).
Another factor that is involved in that unbeneficial self-harming mindset is a certain type of egocentric, Jewish-culture-promoted, wrong self-view (an egocentric wrong self-view in which one holds the view “We are so (I am so) Noble – We are so (I am so) morally superior – because we (because I) “criticize” (actually, usually unjustly and wrongly criticize) “ourselves” (actually, in most cases, other Jewish people) and empathize with (actually, are very afraid of being disliked by, and want very much to be liked by, and delusionally romanticize, and propagate lies that vilify Jewish people that are invented by) people who hate us).
About Christianity and the Jewish people,
Christianity is a religion that, as a tenet, explicitly states that the Jewish (Yehoudi) people, an actual living group of people, are inherently cosmically evil, and states that Jewish people conspired to kill, and that Jewish people, as a group, were, and are, responsible, for the death of a Jewish man, Jesus (Yeshua (Joshua)) who taught teachings of which some were derivations of teachings of the traditoinal religoin of the Jewish people, Judaism, and which many were simple version of, and in some cases, slightly distorted versions of, and in some cases very distorted versions of, the teaching of the Buddha, which, I think, Yeshua may have learned when I think that he may have, as a young man, been in India – where Jewish merchants travel to to trade at the time when Yeshua was alive, and Yeshua was a Jewish man whose worship as a deity, is the main tenet of the Christian religion, and who, along with thousands of other Jewish people, was killed, by crusifiction, by the non-Jewish European people, the Romans, who were one of the first non-Jewish people to adopt the Christian religion, and who were the most influential influencers of the nature of the Christian religion, and who were a people who had conquered and were oppresively occupying, and were governing, and were controlling the religious institutions of, the country of the Jewish people, Judea (Yehoudah – which had earlier diminshed from Yisrael into only Yehouda) when the Romans killed Yeshuah, and who, approximately two hundred years later, commited genocide against the Jewish people and destroyed the country of the Jewish people, Yehoudah, and renamed Yehoudah to Falastina, after the Philistines, who were at that time, an extinct Greco sea-faring people who had, many centuries earlier, attacked and invaded Yisrael, and Christianity is a religion that was invented, several decades after the ROmans killed Yeshua, by a Jewish man, Saul/Paul (Sol) of Tarsus, who had been member of a religious Jewish militia sect (the Zealots) whose members had fought against the Romans, and whose members opposed and killed other Jewish people, including the early followers of the teachings of Yeshuah, and the structure of the main tenet of Christianity, which is the worship of the Jewish man Yeshua as the son of the creator being which is a creator being whose existence is the main tenet of the traditional religion of the Jewish people, is similar to the structure of the tenets of other religions that were popular in that area, the Mediterranean, before and during the time that Yeshua was alive and during the time that Saul/Paul (Sol) of Tarsus was alive – which were tenets of the worship of human-born sun-god that redeems – rescues – the world and that was killed byy the forces of evil (the forces of darkness) – the Greek tenet of the worship of Apollo, adn the Egyptian tenet of the worship of Osiris – and Christianity is a religion that utterly usurped the traditional cultural, and historical, and mythological, narrative of the Jewish people and utterly usurped the actual main religious texts of the traditional religion of the Jewish people.
For over a thousand years, Christian European people repeatedly falsely accused Jewish people in Europe of horrific crimes, and for over a thousand years, Christian European people repeatedly mass-murdered, and repeatedly mass-tortured, and created oppressive laws against, and treated with intransigent contempt, Jewish people in Europe.
Christian European people used the ethnic physical facial features of Jewish people to depict the physical appearance of the Christian religious character that is the personification of evil, the devil, Satan.
Almost all Jewish people experience, to varying degrees, as a psychological coping mechanism, and almost all Jewish people have, for hundreds of years, experienced, to varying degrees, as a psychological coping mechanism, a deep profound from of Stockholm Syndrome. This Stockholm Syndrome involves Jewish people believing, to varying degrees, and pretending to believe, to themselves, to to varying degrees, as a psychological coping mechanism, lies that vilify Jewish people, which are lies that are currently manifested mainly as lies that vilify the country of the Jewish people, Israel, and this Stockholm Syndrome causes almost all Jewish people to allow and further, to varying degrees, in various ways, both subtle and gross, the propagation of lies that vilify Jewish people, and this Stockholm Syndrome causes some Jewish people – Jewish people who have severely succumbed to the Stockholm Syndrome that almost all Jewish people experience – to be fervent, and the most the most influential, propagators of lies that vilify Jewish people.
The most influential propagators of lies that vilify Jewish people have been, and currently are, people who were, and are, ethnically Jewish.
The murder-of-and-cannabalism-of-Christian-European-children libel (the Blood Libel) that was propagated against Jewish people by Christian European people was invented by, and was most influentially propagated by, an ethnically Jewish man named Theobald of Cambridge who lived in England in the 1100’s and who converted to Christianity.
The following are links to an audio-view recording of, and to the paper on which is based, an excellent lecture in which the speaker, Dr. Catherine Chatterley, accurately, and very clearly, articulates how anti-Jewish bigotry is still currently a normal, normative, culturally engrained part of Western culture.
“Western Culture, The Holocaust, and the Persistence of Antisemitism”, by Dr. Catherine Chatterley
video: http://streaming.yale.edu:8080/ramgen/cmibroadcast/yiisa/chatterley_030509.rm
paper: http://www.yale.edu/yiisa/chatterleypaper3509.pdf
The following is a link to an article, which is also by Catherine Chatterley, that illustrates the nature of traditional Christian European anti-Jewish bigotry, which I think is deeply known by, and deeply felt by, I think, almost every Jewish person.
“Worth a Thousand Words:Picturing the Antisemitic Imagination”, By Dr. Catherine Chatterly; (the article is down a little bit from the top of the page)
http://web.mac.com/catherinechatterley/Catherine_Chatterley/Publications.html
The following are links to some articles that have some more information about aspects of the phenomenon of the appeasement and support of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany by influential people in Western countries.
“Harvard’s Nazi Ties”, by Stephen H. Norwood – Professor of History and Judaic Studies, University of Oklahoma
http://www.wymaninstitute.org/articles/2004-11-harvard.php
“The left’s historical support for tyranny and terrorism”, by Mark Humphry’s
http://markhumphrys.com/left.tyranny.html
I think that, in Western countries, in the 1930’s, some non-Jewish Socialists, and some politically Conservative people (most of whom, I think, were non-Jewish), were supporters of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany, and I think that most non-Jewish politically Liberal people, and some Jewish political Liberal people, and most politically Conservative people (most of whom, I think, were non-Jewish), were excusers of, and appeasers of, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany.
One of the most fervent opposers of the Nazi regime of Germany in the 1930’s was Winston Churchill, who was a politically Conservative member of the British Parliament.
In the 1930’s, Winston Churchill was reviled by, and despised by, and ridiculed by, and called a “warmonger” by, many of his colleagues in the British Parliament for warning of the danger of, and for calling for action to oppose, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany. Some members of the British government visited Nazi Germany, and praised Adolf Hitler.
In the 1930’s, students at Oxford University voted to oppose action that might be done by the government of Britain to oppose Nazi Germany.
World War I had been horrific and traumatic, and people did not want to repeat it. The Jewish-conspiracy-theory-propagating anti-Jewish hate-promoting fictional book “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” had been widely disseminated in Western Europe in the 1920’s, and the Jewish-conspiracy-theory themes propagated by the book “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” had been disseminated in the United States in the 1920’s by the bigoted anti-Jewish, pro-Nazi, wealthy automobile manufacturer Henry Ford in his weekly newspaper The Dearborn Independent, and the Jewish-conspiracy theory propagated by the book “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” had become believed to be true by many people in Western countries in the 1920’s, until “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” was, in 1929, proven to be a fabrication after parts of it were found to be plagerizations of parts of a French book of fiction called Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu that was written in 1864 in France by Maurice Joly and which was was a political satire about Napoleon III (and which had nothing to do with Jewish people).
Germany had started World War I, and had lost World War I, and it had, after World War I, been punished with punitive restrictions by the alliance of Western countries who defeated Germany and the allies of Germany in World War I.
In the 1930’s, the Nazi regime of Germany propagated a false narrative of, and many people in Western countries wanted to believe, and believed, a false narrative of, “Warmongering Exagerating Jews and Victimized Maligned Germans”.
Most British leaders recognized the danger of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime of Germany only after Nazi Germany attacked and invaded Poland in 1939, breaking a peace agreement that Adolf Hitler and the politically Conservative then Prime Minister of Brittain, Nevile Chaimberlain, had signed with each other.
In 1940, Neville Chamberlain resigned from the position of Prime Minister of Britain, and in 1940 Winston Churchill became the Prime Minister of Britain.
The United States, led by politically Liberal President Franklin Roosevelt, joined the war to oppose Nazi Germany only in 1941, after Japan, which was an ally of Nazi Germany, attacked the United States navel base in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, in 1941.
Do the Germans remember the old movies that show the horrific destruction of their cities right after WW2? I think they should show these movies in every classroom in Germany. This is what happens when countries make the mistake of thinking the whole world hates Jews and decide to act on that hate.
@Daniel Bielak
This is the first time I have gotten an answer on why Jewish blame Christians for their plight today.
I saved this and will ask a good friend of mine who is a very strong Christian and see what he has to say about it.
Christianity HAS BEEN the dominate religion but it isn’t the case now or for a hundred years. Today it is Socialism/atheism which Jews still blame Christians because it is a carryover of what was an Christianity belief.
One good thing about Christianity over Islam is that it does and has changed to fit the times. It is slow but they do change.
If I am right and Christians have changed their belief TODAY of Jews then I am sorry but I cannot sympathies with this victim mentality at all. This is the victim mentality that blacks have in the US.
They have this animosity towards the ‘crackers’ for their great great great grandfathers did to them who are long dead.
Socialism hatred with the Jews is not based on a Christian belief today. It is based on the straw man diversion attack. Socialism need to attack a group and Jews are an easy target.
If it wasn’t Jews they would attack some other group but Jews have become the target most likely as you say because it is based on Christians OLD beliefs but Socialist/atheists are NOT Christians.
What seems more likely is simply this. Jews ally with their attackers (socialists/atheists) hoping they will stop attacking them then blame why their ally attack them is because of old history.
BTW – how can dr Catherine Chatterley compare “Hit a jew day” to a ghost of obama on the lawn during Halloween? Then she says this “hit a jew day” is somehow a Christian normal? I noticed she framed her arguments a lot like this. i call that hate mongering.
OxAO,
I don’t want to attack Christians – because at this time many Christians do not feel antipathy toward Jewish people, and are supporting the country of the Jewish people.
I think that it is important to know and understand the history and nature of traditional Christian European anti-Jewish bigotry, because that bigotry is currently still a normal, engrained part of non-religious Post-Christian Western culture. It is that normal, pervasive, anti-Jewish bigotry that is a very large part of what is causing Western journalists, and Western academics and Western intellectuals to propagate the current perverse false narrative that villifies Israel and that obfuscates the factual history of, and the current reality of, and the nature of, and that is causing very many people in Western countries, including the leaders of the governments of Western countries, to believe that perverse false narrative that is being propagated about, and it is what is causing the leaders of Western countries to be colluding with, what is the racist anti-Jewish, Islamic-Supremacist and Arab supremacist, past 90-year, military, terroristic, diplomatic, and propagandic war against the country of the Jewish people – and involved with that, that anti-Jewish bigotry which is still currently a normal part of Western culture is causing, in Western countries, the obfuscation of, and the ignorance of the factual history of, and the nature of, and the scope of, the GErman-Nazi-influenced, German-Nazi-allied, “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”-Jewish-conspiracy-theory-based, orthodox-original-Islam-based, genocidally anti-Jewish, genocidally anti-non-Muslim, totalitarian modern Islamic supremacistpolitical movement which began in the 1920’s.
I think that what is most important to be made known to as many people as possible in Western countries is for the factual history of the German-Nazi-influenced, German-Nazi-allied, modern Islamic-Supremacist political movement and the German-Nazi-inspired, German-Nazi-allied Arab Nationalist political movement, and as part of the Islamic-Supremacist and Arab Nationalist political movements, the Palestinian movement, and the factual history of the past 90-year history of the racist, intendedly genocidal, war against the country of the Jewish people.
I feel affection for, and want to be accpeted by, and want to come together with Arab people, and I want very much for the country of the Jewish people, Israel, to be accepted as a member of the community of the Middle East by Arab people. However that is between just the Jewish people and the Arab people.
At this time the world needs to oppose the modern Islamic supremacist political movement by communicating the truth of the situation.
Then things can be made better. By doing so, things will be made better.
Some more information about me:
I grew up in, I live in, and I am a citizen of, the United States. I was born in Mexico.
Most importantly,
Democratic Western countries need to stop the regime of Iran from attaining nuclear weapons.
Leaders of the governments of Democratic Western countries need to,
O End all diplomatic relations with the regime of Iran
O Stop all of the oil and gas trade that Western corporations are doing with Iran
O Publicly forcefully denounce the regime of Iran
O Publicly strongly express support for the freedom-seeking people of Iran
O Stop diplomatically attacking Israel
Western Journalists need to,
O Stop vilifying Israel
O Present the reality of the existence of the modern Islamic Supremacist political movement
O Present the factual history of, and the nature of, and the scope of, the modern Islamic supremacist political movement
OxAO,
I did not mean to blame anyone. I especially did not mean to blame, and I do not blame, the many Christians who are supporting Israel. I just was writing to express how I have felt in my life. I realize that you do not understand how I feel, and that’s fine. You have not had the experiences that I have had. I do not blame anyone else for how I feel. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and for the results of their own actions. If you do not understand how I feel, nor feel compassion for how, that I have, I think maybe, not well expressed, that I feel, that’s fine. I think that I did not write well about those things, and I hope that I did not cause any harm to anyone by writing the things that I wrote. I am vexed mainly about the non-doing of actions by Jewish people to protect themselves from harm, and about the doing of actions by some Jewish people who attack Jewish people which causes much harm to Jewish people.
OxAO,
Note the situation that Jewish people are in.
Note the actions Jewish people, in general, toward all their fellow human beings throughout the past 2,000 years.
Note the behavior of Christians, in general, toward Jewish people throughout the past 2,000 years.
Note that very many Christians in the world are anti-Israel.
Note that you are attacking me and Jewish people and that you are defending Christians.
Why?
Correction;
“Note that very many Christians in the world are anti-Israel.”
I think that the following may be more correct to say.
“Note that many Christians in the world are anti-Israel.”
Also,
Because of the very nature of the views of the religion Christianity, people who hold Christian views, do not view Jewish people as normal human beings who are just like themselves.
Currently, very many people who hold Christian views hold sympathetic views about, and feel sympathy for, Jewish people, and currently many people who hold Christian views hold traditional Christian, antipathetic, views about, and feel antipathy toward, Jewish people.
I feel very scared about the honest way that I have been talking here. I know that Jewish people are not allowed to verbally defend themselves in this world.
But I have had enough.
“Note that many Christians in the world are anti-Israel.”
Should be,
“Note that many Christians are anti-Israel.”
The following are some examples.
The official bodies of several Protestant denominations in the United States and England are officially viciously against Israel – they use literature made by Hamas and Hizbollah as reference material about the situation, and they have been engaged in campaigns to boycott Israel.
The majority of people in Spain, which is a very religious Catholic Christian country, are viciously against Israel.
I think that very many Christians in Eastern Europeanare vicoiusly against Israel.
Recently, a high-level religious official of the Catholic Church (which sometime in the 1960’s, *PARDONED* – did not apologize to – sanctimoniously *PARDONED* – the Jewish people) recently said that the reason that instances of Catholic priests sexually abusing children and cover-ups of that by the Catholic Church was reported on in the media was because of a “Zionist conspiracy”.
I regret having brought up the topic about how I feel about the situation that Jewish people have been in for almost 2000 years because of Christianity,
I regret accusing and verbally attacking other – which I have done here.
I know that it is harmful to accuse and verbally attack others.
I dread the danger of accusing and verbally attacking others, and I know that it is harmful for me to accuse and verbally attack others, but I am really unnerved.
Correction:
“I regret accusing and verbally attacking other – which I have done here.”
should be,
“I regret accusing and verbally attacking others – which I have done here.”
@Daniel Bielak
You are saying that Christian hate of Jews is still the norm.
I don’t see that I only see hate from the left of the Jews.
When I go to Christian sites and those that are Christians I hear and see no animosity towards the Jews.
I have not talked with my friend that is a very hard core Christian yet, he hasn’t been on but when he does I will.
If you are right and christens still have hatred towards the Jews that would be a huge surprise to me.
I still believe it is coming from the socialists who need a group to target their problems.
Islam cannot be reasoned with for the simple reason their religion is locked in time it cannot change, that is one of their basic principles.
Daniel you said:
“Note that you are attacking me and Jewish people and that you are defending Christians.”
Unless you are Dr. Catherine Chatterley I didn’t attack you or the Jewish people not in the least.
I explained why I don’t like how she frames her arguments. She is attempting to trick people into hate and the way she does it is no different then what Islam does to their victims(Muslims.) She frames her arguments to give only one conclusion. when it is the way she frames the arguement that is wrong.
I am sorry how did I attack you and Jews?
I want to thank you for this conversation.
I have been asking this question for years and never got an answer.
I don’t like the answer obviously it is almost exactly the same as black people’s arguement against whites. IF the Christians no longer have animosity towards the Jews. If they do then of course it is justified.
But it doesn’t mean the feelings are not there.
Thanks again.
Nazis (Right-Wing Socialists) are not the political Left – Leftists (Left-Wing Socialists).
Nazis (Right-Wing Socialists) are different from the political Left – Leftists (Left-Wing Socialists).
Nazis are genocidally-antipathetically-racist-toward-Jewish-people, and generally-antipathetically-racist-toward-ethnically-non-European-people, ethnic-European-supremacist, collectivist, totalitarians.
The political Left – Leftists – are sanctimonious, dishonest, patronizingly-racist-toward-people-who-are-not-ethnically-European-people, patronizingly-racist-toward-people-who-are-not-ethnically-Jewish, antipathetically-racist-toward-ethnically-Jewish-people, antipathetically-racist-toward-ethnically-European-people, genocidally anti-country-of-the-Jewish-people, collectivist, totalitarians.
OxAO,
I don’t understand the following that you wrote.
“IF the Christians no longer have animosity towards the Jews. If they do then of course it is justified.
But it doesn’t mean the feelings are not there.”
I think that you are being dishonest when, and I think that you are being mean when, you write “thanks” and “thanks again”.
OxAO,
It seems to me that you may not have read, or that you didn’t understand what I was trying to communicate in, all of the comments that I wrote in response to your reply to me.
Your response to me is, in any case, mean, callous, and unkind.
Also, just to try to explain something to you,
The views that I hold about Christians (which is a group of people who are defined as a group by an ideology that the members of that group hold – which is an ideology that is comprised of bigoted wrong views about Jewish people) is quite different to the views that bigoted grievance-driven Black people hold about ethnically European people (which is a group of people who are defined as a group according to their ethnic background – their ethnicity) .
The two things are very different.
It is unnerving to me that you do not see the difference between them.
The two views are very different from each other.
OxAO,
By your having even asked that question, I should have anticipated that your response would possibly be as lacking in understanding and kindness as it was.
Scratch the following that I wrote,
“OxAO,
By your having even asked that question, I should have anticipated that your response would possibly be as lacking in understanding and kindness as it was.”
I realize that it is harmful. I apologize for writing that.
OxAO,
Views of the religious ideology Christianity – views held by people who hold the views of the religious ideology Christianity – that are views toward and about Jewish people have been antipathetic, as those views mainly have been, for approximately two thousand years, and as those views, in many cases, currently are, and those views have been sympathetic, as those views have, in many cases, been, mainly very recently. Those views of the religious ideology Christianity that are views toward and about Jewish people are views that are, in every case, bigoted condescending wrong views.
For approximately the past two thousand years, adherents of the religious ideology Christianity, in accordance with views of the religious ideology Christianity, hated Jewish people, falsely accused Jewish people of horrific crimes, mass-murdered Jewish people, Mass-tortured Jewish people, created oppressive laws against Jewish people, and treated Jewish people with intransigence, and spread antipathetic bigoted wrong views about Jewish throughout the world.
Currently many adherents of the religious ideology Christianity, in accordance with views of the religious ideology Christianity, hate the country of the Jewish people, and are engaging in an effort to destroy the country of the Jewish people.
Currently very many other adherents of the religious ideology Christianity, in accordance with their interpretation of views of the religious ideology Christianity, and out of right understanding about the situation that the country of the Jewish poeple is in, and out of kindness, are defending and supporting the country of the Jewish people.
I expressed that my ethnic background – my ethnicity – is Jewish.
I expressed that I feel hurt by, and frustrated by, and enraged about, the situation that Jewish people have been in because of Christianity, and I express that I appreciate the people who hold the views of the religious ideology Christianity who are defending and supporting the country of the Jewish people.
I expressed that I do not blame anyone for the situation the Jewish people are in.
I expressed that I do not blame anyone for the way I feel.
I expressed that I hold the view that everyone is responsible for their own actions and experiences the results of their own actions.
I expressed that I am vexed mainly by the non-doing of actions by Jewish people to protect themselves from harm, and by the doing of harmful actions by some Jewish people who attack Jewish people which causes much harm to Jewish people.
Then you asked me why I felt the way that I expressed that I did about Christianity.
I tried to explain to you why I felt the way that I expressed that I did about Christianity.
Then you expressed, implicitly, and with mean-spirited dishonest words, that you view me as being a bigot.
I am not feeling well. I am in a difficult situation.
I do not want to cause harm.
I apologize if my writing has been harmful.
Here is the huge miss understanding we are having:
“Right-Wing Socialists” is a contradiction in terms. The NAZI’s were left leaning socialists.
I can think of only one group that in history that were Socialist conservative they were the Christian Socialist party headed by the anti-Semite Adolf Stoecker and he was a very troubled individual that got less than 1% of the vote over a hundred years ago. When the NAZI’s came to power even those that formed the Christian Socialists party who were still alive left the country and worked with the Allied powers against the NAZI’s.
To be honest I can not think of any other Conservative Socialists orginization can you?
NAZIs are left wing period. Conservatives typically are for small government and individual liberties. Christians, religious ones, tend to be for Israel for a few reasons, some good and some more questionable. The actual Balfour declaration, as I understand it, was by a religious Christian in England who saw the creation of the state of Israel as being a fulfillment of biblical prophesy, and a part and parcel of the return of the Christian avatar Jesus. Interestingly, this is a similar reason that MANY religious Jews are against the creation of a nation-state of Israel and at every “Free Palestine” rally you can see those particular Jews, the ones in the big hats sidelocks and full ball gowns, chanting with the Leftists and Muslims. These Jews feel that because the OT says that the messiah will lead the Jews to Zion, and as they feel that Ben Gurion is not the messiah, the Jewish awaited avatar, that the state of Israel is a kind of abomination. Meanwhile, the Christians feel that prophesy demands not only the Jews return to zion, but that they will lose it again and then hey presto, the avatar returns.
At least under Jewish rule, all religions, Jews Christians, Muslims (alas) Zoroastrians, the B’hai, who I believe moved their headquarters from Iran where it was created to Israel, and other faiths are able to carry on with little or no persecution from the state. This will not be said of when Muslims control Jerusalem again if they do.
WOW. Why not try it my way? Marry a Jew, have children, baptize them as Catholics and be happy. Seems to work for us.
@Daniel Bielak
If you have any questions on who the NAZI’s were please feel free to ask.
I would suggest watching The Soviet Story:
http://kitmantv.blogspot.com/2009/05/soviet-tale.html
They lay out the facts of the differences between the Lenin/Stalinist and the NAZI’s.
@Daniel Bielak
I noticed part II (very good points made in it) are missing I found important parts on Youtube here:
The Soviet Story – Why killing is essential to communism
How about the following beneficial ways?
For one who is not Jewish and for one who is Jewish,
“Marry a Jewish person, have children, and be happy.”
or,
“Marry a non-Jewish person, have children, and be happy.”
or,
“Marry a Jewish person, do not have children, and be happy.”
or,
“Marry a non-Jewish person, do not have children, and be happy.”
or,
“Do not marry, do not have children, and be happy.”
and,
“Do not do any evil, perform what is beneficial, and cleanse one’s own mind.”
OxAO,
Thank you for your replies.
Eyeore,
Thank you for your replies.
OxAO and Eyeore, I’ll try to reply more in depth to your replies in subsequent comments that I’ll try to post later.
Oh, yes, and,
OxAO,
I previously did see the posting of the video that you listed, and I did, previously, watch a little bit of it. Maybe I’ll watch more of it later if, later, I’m feeling well enough to do so. I’m not feeling well enough to watch it right now.
Eeyore,
What I meant to write, and what I should have written, is
“Thank you for our reply.”
Also, I apologize for, by mistake, misspelling your name in my previous comment.