Muslims cancel debate on tolerance because UK refused to seperate men and women


Scuffles as extremist Muslim group orders men and woman to be segregated at public meeting. Daily Mail.UK

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:59 AM on 18th June 2009

A public debate organised by banned Islamic sect Al Muhajiroun was cancelled today after an angry confrontation broke out over the segregation of men and women.

Management at the meeting’s venue said ‘fundamentalist thugs’ forced the event to be called off after they physically prevented men and women sitting together.

Giles Enders, Chairman of the South Place Ethical Society, which runs Conway Hall in Holborn, London, said scuffles broke out over the group’s heavy-handed approach.
Douglas Murray and Anjem Choudary confront each otheDouglas Murray and Anjem Choudary confront each other after the South Place Ethical Society banned the pracher’s group, Al Muhajiroun from the hall.
The meeting came as the group’s new leader, Anjem Choudary, issued a challenge to the Government to ban the group after it emerged it was reforming.

Al Muhajiroun has sparked controversy after he said he wanted Sharia law in Britain and called 9/11 terrorists as the ‘Magnificent 19’.

The group was hoping to hold its first public meeting in five years but Mr Enders said the group had broken the terms for its hire of the hall.

Today’s debate, called Sharia Law Versus British Law, was intended to pit Choudary against Douglas Murray, director of right-wing think tank the Centre for Social Cohesion.

Taking to the stage, Mr Enders said: ‘A group of thugs at the door have refused to let women in. I’m cancelling this meeting.’

He was cheered by a small group of women sitting in the balcony but was also heckled by many of the 100 or so men in the main hall.

Mr Choudary, who sat on stage during the scuffles and Mr Enders’ announcement, then grabbed the microphone and after led chants saying: ‘This is a victory for Osama Muslims.’
Police watch as crowds gather outside Conway Hall following the cancellation of today's meetingPolice watch as crowds gather outside Conway Hall following the cancellation of today’s meeting.
But Mr Enders took the microphone back from Mr Choudary and ordered everyone in the hall to leave.

Alexander Hitchens, of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said his group was invited to the debate with Mr Choudary on the understanding that it would be held on neutral ground with no segregation.

He said he was greeted by members of Al Muharjiroun on the door before being barred from entering.

‘We were led to believe it would be completely neutral,’ he said.

Outside the hall, Mr Choudary criticised British society as ‘dirty’ and predicted that, within one or two decades, Muslims would be the majority here.

Asked why he was living here, he said: ‘We come here to civilise people, get them to come out of the darkness and injustice into the beauty of Islam.’

Mr Murray, who arrived at the venue with his own security guards, said the platform of tonight’s planned debate was ‘completely unacceptable’.
Anjem ChoudaryChoudary insisted his group was not illegal and called on all Muslims to join.
He said: ‘I’m perfectly willing to debate Anjem Choudary and Al Muhajiroun’s ideas. His ideas are not difficult. They do not stand up.

‘But it’s very clear that this debate is not neutral. This was a segregated event, policed by Al Muhajiroun’s guards.’

He added he had been led to the event under false pretences by a front organisation called Global Issues Society.

Mr Murray confronted Mr Choudary and his supporters in the street and the pair spoke for about 10 minutes.

Mr Choudary said he had not broken any laws and called to Muslims to join his group.

‘We are not a proscribed group and it is not illegal to be a member,’ he said.

‘That’s a challenge to the Government and to the media – we were not doing anything that was terrorist-related in the past.’

Accepting that the group would have to pay attention to laws which outlaw the glorification of terrorism, he said: ‘We will have to choose our words a little bit more carefully.’

Opposition leaders called on ministers to act swiftly to implement a ban.

However, the Home Office said a ban could only be implemented if there was evidence that a group was involved with terrorism.

A spokesman said: ‘Proscription is a tough but necessary power to tackle terrorism.

‘Decisions on proscription must be proportionate and based on evidence that a group is concerned in terrorism as defined in the Terrorism Act 2000.

‘Organisations which cause us concern, including those which might change their name to avoid the consequences of proscription, are kept under constant review.

‘As and when new material comes to light, it is considered and the organisation reassessed as part of that process.’

Shadow security minister Baroness Pauline-Neville Jones said the ban would be a test as to whether the Government was serious about proscribing organisations which espouse extremism.

Former prime minister Tony Blair pledged to ban the group four years ago, but it was never outlawed while two splinter groups, Al Gurabaa and the Saviour Sect, were proscribed.

Al Muhajiroun was formed by radical preacher Omar Bakri Muhammad, who was later kicked out of Britain.

Mr Choudary’s followers provoked outrage in Luton earlier this year when they protested against soldiers returning from Iraq.

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3 Replies to “Muslims cancel debate on tolerance because UK refused to seperate men and women”

  1. “Asked why he was living here, he said: ‘We come here to civilise people, get them to come out of the darkness and injustice into the beauty of Islam.’”

    As we see in all the scientific progress, economic development, literacy rates and all the other islamic “beauties” that make Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sudan, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Porkistan, Bangladesh and Somalia the mahoundian open sewers that they are.

    When I look at those mahound-worshipping swines gathered in the photos, soiling Great Britain with their filthy hoofs, it seems that that once great country is over, gone forever into Mahoundistan as one of its provinces. But I still try to remind myself of something I once read from Richard The Lionheart, a Jihad-Watch reader who used to post there quite often… That the outrages we see, and everything that mahoundians can get away with in the UK, are still something that the elites and the MSM, led by al-BBC, still have managed to keep away from the eyes of most of the general public. That the fighting spirit of the Brits hasn’t died, but that it’s waiting for an ever-more-likely call to a civil war in defense of British values against Seventh-Century bedouin barbarism, hellbent on turning Britain into one of the Sewagestans from which George Galloway, Gordon Brown and Tony Blair import most of their loyal political supporters.

    I hope RTL is right. When I think of his words, I can’t help thinking about something I first came across when I was in my early teens, as the opening track on Iron Maiden’s live album “Live After Death”:

    “We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
    we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the beaches,
    we shall fight on the landing grounds,
    we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
    we shall fight in the hills;
    we shall never surrender…”

    I’m sure anyone who’s got a true sense of what’s going on in Britain has heard that call again for a very long time now… Britain’s last hope is that its non-mahoundian citizens of all creeds, ethnicities and walks of life who truly care about that country will heed that message once more.

  2. That ‘poem’ is Richard the Lion Heart? I always thought that was Sir Winston. In any case they are fantastic words. Perhaps individual Britons may have to make England a less welcoming place if government corruption eager to sell out England for a few immigrant votes will not.

  3. I meant to say that when I think of what RTL wrote about your average Briton’s ignorance of what’s truly going on in the UK, I can’t help thinking about Sir Winston Churchill’s speech. And I first heard it on that Iron Maiden album I mentioned… Sorry if I made it look confusing.

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