About Eeyore

Canadian artist and counter-jihad and freedom of speech activist as well as devout Schrödinger's catholic

18 Replies to “Honour Killing: Shafilea Ahmed’s parent’s found guilty”

  1. Disgusting savages that would kill their own child do not deserve freedom of any sort. Death is too good for them. I hope they wake up every morning remembering what they did, I hope they suffer, but it’s likely they have absolutely no remorse.

  2. I noted that islamic people just crave whatever publicity they can get via doing all sorts of vile things or socalled good deeds. Perhaps, if the media give less publicity to the islamic commnuity, who are undeserving of pity, they would be less manipulative and there would be less news about their islam and their islamic people. After all, most of us nonbelievers already know the danger of islam. And we nonbelievers who already know about the danger of islam, would not have to waste time reading about their islam or their manipulative islamic people and instead have more time to improve on our nonbelievers life and hopefully will be able to avoid falling into their islamic trap.

  3. Honour killing and female infanticide come from Pagan-Hindu-Judeo-Christian traditions. Hindus idolise women as Goddesses on one hand, while downgrading them on the sly at the same time. There is nothing in the Holy Quran and the Hadiths that may encourage people to kill their daughters. Infact, Islam came to abolish the dark ages of Pagan- Hindu –Judeo- Christian traditions. Islam is a matter of choice and there is no compulsion at all. It is a misconception that forced marriage and honour killing are part of Muslim culture. Forced marriage, honour killing and genital mutilation are rare practices among migrant communities. Muslim migrants are worried about institutional racism, binge drinking, drug addiction, incivility, gun and knife crimes, high rate of abortions and teen age pregnancies. An average of 20 English girls under the age of 16 falls pregnant every day. Muslim parents do not want their children to be integrated into such barbarity. Muslim women feel torn between two cultures, thanks to the British education system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. It makes their lives very confusing.

    The tragedy of forced marriage and honour killing could have been avoided if the poor girls were educated in a single sex state funded Muslim schools by female Muslim teachers. Educational attainment rises quite significantly if boys and girls are educated separately. The tragedies are an eye opener for all those Muslim parents who send their children to state schools where they are exposed to non-Muslim teachers who have no respect for Islamic faith and Muslim community and do not understand the needs and demands of the Muslim children. Muslim schools are crucial for Muslim children because western education makes a man/woman stupid. The hypocrisy of the Western society is clearly seen whereas an Australian Judge failed to jail nine males who admitted gang-raping a 10-year old aborigine girl in 2005, saying the victim probably agreed to have sex with them and a UNICEF Photo of the year shows, a bridegroom, 40, with his 11-year old bride in Afghanistan. In my opinion, a UNICEF photo of the year must show a nine year British girl having a baby and another photo showing a gang of teenage girls with anti-social behaviour and vomiting out side a pub, thanks to binge drinking. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslim schools are the solutions and not a problem. They help to strengthen community cohesion, not undermine it. Muslim schools stand as shining beacons of light, serving as one of the most crucial factors which protect Muslim children from the onslaught of Eurocentricism, homosexuality, racism and secular values and traditions. They need to be well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they need to be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Muslim schools are not only faith schools but also bilingual schools. Infact, bilingualism is an asset and not a problem as perceived by the British education system. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. English language is associated with western culture.

    The silent majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools but there are not enough schools to go by. The only alternative left is either British Government should introduce voucher system for parents to choose the school of their choice or designate all those state schools as Muslim community schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslims are in majority. Such schools may be handed over to Muslim educational Trusts or charities for their management. They are in a better position to educate Muslim children in accordance with their needs and demands. This demand is in accordance with the law of the land because there are state schools already managed by private companies. Muslim community is not asking for a favour. It is their legal right.
    Iftikhar Ahmad
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

  4. Muslims DO NOTHING to stop “honor”killing, in fact families are encouraged to kill any female (the majority) who does not tow cultural & “religious” lines. Instead of the perpetrators being ostracized and condemned, many times they are glorified for taking back their “honor” (which they never had in the first place). By their silence, islam & imams and muslims support “honor” killing.

    Any referrals to Christian or Jewish “honor” killing is simply history. They, unlike muslims were smart enough to put an end this barbaric practice centuries ago.

    And IA , do me a favor and stuff it where the sun doesn’t shine.

  5. And IA, you’re such a fucking liar. That whole first paragraph is nothing but lies, half-truths and propaganda. I didn’t even waste my time reading past it. You disgust me and this is one of those rare moments when I waste any time responding to your bullshit, just in case some innocent comes along and thinks you are genuine. …spit

  6. When Pigs Fly:

    Another thing ol’ Iftikhar isn’t mentioning is how it clearly stated in the Koran and hence became an important part of sanctioned sharia, that there shall be no reprisals for a parent killing their child or a man killing his wife. it is quite clear in the part that deals with where reprisals are permitted. Of course, a Muslim can kill a non Muslim for any reason and there will be no reprisals at all.

    Details on this can be found in The Reliance of the Traveler. A complete compendium of sharia law for Muslims especially living in non-Muslim areas. This book was signed off on, as canonical by Al Azaar university, the Muslim Brotherhood and pretty much everyone and any0ne that can be said to be a Muslim ‘scholar’. I believe it is available here on Vlad for download. If you can’t find it let me know and I will try and repost it.

  7. In accordance with Sharia law honor killings is allowed even by viligante. Rebellious or unruly children are considered apostates, particularly after they reach puberty. Apostasy is a very serious crime in Islam and apostates are treated worse than the runaway slaves of old. They have to have to be brought back to the fold and if they do not repent and conform they are murdered. There is no punishment for killing an apostate under Sharia Ref: [Undat al-Salik- Reliance of the Traveller 08. 08.4]

    A Muslim parent faces no legal penalty under Sharia law for killing their own child or grandchild Ref:[ Umdat al-Salik 01.1.2]. Some jurists insist that only the Caliph has the authority to execute an apostate. However, when Muslim parents or grandparents do it, it is not murder! According to some schools of Islamic jurisprudence, e.g. Shafi school the killing of an apostate without legal authority- ex-judicial- at best attracts a minor penalty for encroaching upon the rights of the Caliph. Other schools of thought consider the killing of an apostate a righteous act particularly, where the State is unable or unwilling to apply Sharia Law or where Sharia is not in force.

    Mrs & Mr Ahmed, the biolgical parents considered their daughter to be an apostate. She wanted to live her life like a Westerner, she had her own thoughts and dreams. As devout Muslims, Mr & Mrs Ahmed had a duty to murder her!

    Christians , Jews, Hindus or any other group do not murder their own children in the West for the crime of living like a Westerner! In any event, none of these groups have religious authority which they can rely upon for such serious human right violations!

  8. Hi Eeyore,

    Thanks for reminding me about the parents.. Could you repost the the link to the book, I have no idea how to find it on Vlad.

  9. Islamic are demanding state schools to pander to islamics again in the West. When will it all end? I guess that islamics are going to continously cause problems till all the schools in the West become islamics? Islamics are being unfair and brutal towards the West who have a much better and higher standard of nonreligious education. Western people are generally more well behaved and more educated than people from asian or islamic background. That is another tactics of islamic people. Even with all the islamic schoools in the world, islamics would be still fighting among themselves and against other nonbelievers.

  10. Anon put the last nail in the coffin of the fertilizer that Iftikhar spread around here. I thank them for that.

    here is one link to the book, Reliance of the traveler

    http://www.shafiifiqh.com/maktabah/relianceoftraveller.pdf

    Ill see if I can find another that I know is an accurate one. I will be posting video soon that deals much more extensively with how Muslim organizations in Western nations, most specifically in the US, use this book to achieve the objectives of the Muslim Brotherhood in America via CAIR and many other organizations.

  11. Forced marriage and honour killing is nothing to do with Islam. If you do not want to see and hear about forced marriages and honour killing than you must provide faciltities for all Muslim children to be educated in state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies.

    God has created diverse human beings to live in this tiny global villageas of one family. Creation by its very nature is deverse with different species, different communities, different cultures and languages. These differences represent the beauty and wonder but diversity is sometimes not fully appreciated, resulting in all sorts of clashes. The British society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others, as if in a family.

    For someone to experience racial abuse is terribly hurtful. It is a feeling that is indescribable. Unless you have been a victim of it you will never know what it feels like. So to except it or to grow a spine like someone has just suggested, is impossible. Many people who are victims never report it or even talk about. It is sometimes even more painful to talk about it. Therefore most people choose to sweep it under the carpet. Sadly.

    People are people, regardless of where they were born, what color their skin is, or whatever religion. All deserve respect. Tolerance in Sweden/Britain is an illusion. The problem isn’t immigrants not adapting to British culture, it’s Brits showing much disrespect and scorn to those who are of any immigrant background. even if an immigrant was well versed in English, knew the customs etc. would they still get employment? No. Would Brits treat them as a decent human? No. So why would they want to assimilate into a culture that is constantly tearing them down? Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society.
    IA
    http://www.lodonschoolofislamics.org.uk

  12. The fact that islamic students and islamic teachers commonly failed to respect us nonbelievers is so prevalent that tend to make a mockery of multiculturalism. Another uncomfortable fact is not only moslem people failed to respect us nonbelievers but are also imposing their inferiority on us nonbelievers which is not unly unfair but also disgusting.
    If those islamic people think their islamic education is so “superior”, they should just stay put in their third world slums instead imposing their backward education standards onto the West.

  13. Torturing them for revenge or punishment is stooping to their level, hang them, bury them in pig skins and forget them.

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