This one starts out a little slow. But tough it out for a few minutes. Wait till you hear the segment from the radio call in show. Clearly Islam in Australia is also the extreme, rare, exceptional form of Islam like it is everywhere else in the world.
You’re welcome Richard
Try http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
This is an excellent site run by Apostates of Islam
http://www.islam-watch.org/
A good site out of a normally racist and antisemitic New Zealand
http://newstime.co.nz/
Finally http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam
Thanks Shirl I have bookmarked both.
You’re welcom Richard
There are 4 URLs not 2
Just caught the other two, got them bookmarked as well. Thanks again.
You’re very welcome Richard any time.
When the anger of two billion people has been aroused it is customary for an apology. It is unlikely a man like Al Hilali is going to apologise to one billion indian hindus or one billion white christians. He is too proud. May Allah deal with his pride. It apppers he has declared war on two billion people. May Allah who loves the kuffar so much as to make him and her much greater in number than the Muslims put the concentrated weight of two billion offended people into a large stone and place it on to his head and squash him like an ant! Inshallah! Preferably while he is reading the Sura of the Ant. This would be a fitting end to one who is the enemy of the Kuffar. The Kuffar were created by Allah to be in much greater numbers and were made to rule over fools like Al Hilali and his muslim ants which are so easy to squash with the greater weight of the Kuffar.
All we have to do is get the left out of power.
@conq,
1) there are many insinuations but the fact is you cannot prove that issue with indian students was muslim jihadist. If you are to go on this way i am sure much can be insinuated by any news that hits the paper. Why would australian media stay mum?heaven’s why would australian govt stay mum if it was muslims and jihadist idealogy attacking indians? it was petty crime and their is no religious reason even suggested behind crime. still you and your esteemed fellows here have no trouble blaming this onto australian muslims.please grow up and develop some integrity. i abhor people who spread hate even when they clutch at straws.Or else provide me a quote from any valid australian authority to backup your belief. the Hindu doesnt count for two reason one how can they validate their suggestions(which is what they are,not documented reportings)? any source ?.second as the name suggests its a very hindu newspaper, i wont be surprsied if everything is due to religion in their world. they are no reporting they are hinting.
2)still stuck with Quran i see. Carry on. Even in today’s world one of the preferred method to deal with erronous religious scrolls is to burn them. Their is a difference between Quran burning to obliterate various compilations to maintain only one and between a bible basher burning Quran to tell people that this will show em. Unless a person suffers from severe monochromatic vision they cannot compare the two. I have told oyu Uthman gathered and compiled the Quran he didnt rewrite or edit it. Every verse and chapter and Quran has a chain of narration. If the chain of narration is not 100% solid it cannot be maintianed which is why it remains as it does.As for your cliams,Unless you can substantiate those claims well i am afraid i wont get into an argument with you. Because the weight is on the person who brings out an argument .So do your work and than we will see.What i believe in , i believe in the Quran that is alhumdolilah unanimously maintained in muslim world. And it is unanimous regardless of your trashing it. i enjoy that you cannot seem to grasp that i am not going purple in face trying to get you to believe. Believe what you will. If anything your belief by any standarads is far more ridiculous and supercilious than any other belief since you cannot even logically contain it. lol @ your sensationalism. yea conq this holy grail of religious research is not only conducted by you and you “alone” it is also only believed by you and you alone. i am not only first hearing it and i am also the first one to find much mirth in it. needless to say that the stalwart reasearcher that you are, havarad and other such will be at your doorstep trying to fund your scholarly nobility and do i see you launching another excellent site such as this one to present your esteemed self as unsung hero of islamic history. may i suggest a name, the scholar with goatly concern? *chuckling*
3) As for palestinian being fat people. Now this reeks of desperation and i am not surprised if you are a firm believer in Israeli state, their minister is on official record suggested putting them on the diet. We all know obesity is at much more alarming rate rampant in west. People in glass hosues and all, enough said. Dehumanising people such as ants is not unheard of. On the contrary you will find if you were to indulge in your favourite subject of “history” that it is a common technique to try an alienate people. May be that is how you settle your conscience.
@Nilk. Yes i have read of that incident. I am afraid i am going to repeat myself by saying- so? your point being? that this incident proves that Prophet (pbuh) assaulted his wife? Well i am afraid i donot see it this way, i often end up touching my husband to get his attention which he feels is a little uncomfortable for him. Does it make me a voilent person? For you to pick this out of all the narrations from Ayesha about her husband is disingenuous to say the least and for you to disregard all the others is well nothing short of amazing.
@Shirl now that you had a look at Pappe lets take a cursory look at dear old Churchill. Allow me to quote his noble thoughts about Moussilini the creater of Fascism.
1)”Roman genius… the greatest lawgiver among men.” also went to further claimed that the fascism of Benito Mussolini had “rendered a service to the whole world,” .
2)Churchill opposed Mohandas Gandhi’s peaceful disobedience revolt . He nmuch prefered from him to die than to allow a round tabel conference with the native leader of the land british colonised.
3) His further opinion about Hitler. and the fact that you take up Chruchill rather than Pappe confirms of your zionist beliefs rather than jewish beliefs.
Chruchill xpressed a hope that Hitler, if he so chose, and despite his rise to power through dictatorial action, hatred and cruelty, might yet “go down in history as the man who restored honour and peace of mind to the great Germanic nation and brought it back serene, helpful and strong to the forefront of the European family circle.”
Yeah i am afraid i will take Pappe anyday over Churchill. The fact that Pappe is also an Israeli academic merily adds to his credit.
@Shirl the issue of expulsion of 700,000 Palestinians was ad hoc basis or the Plan Dalet? I wont go into it. Let me finish with Pappe’s belief about the the current state of Israel, the creation of Israel for the lack of peace in the Middle East, arguing that Zionism is more dangerous than Islamic militancy.
I am a firm believe that any false God can last on earth for number of years but the tyranny is self destructive. and Israel is self detonating itself in slow motion.
@Shirl, that narration you quoted from Abu Dawood. So far in my discourse i have felt that you donot allow the facts to hinder your opinion about something. There is a concept of halala in islam. For a woman or man to remarry the partner they have divorced ,the divorced wife has to first enter another marriage consummate it and then go back to first husband.This shouldnot be pre planned. Islam effectively protexts women from sinking into further abyss of domestic abuse. So both partners have to act like mature adults rather than breaking home one moment and jumpind into bed the other. It is detrimental to society for the institute of family to be shaken so thoroughly. The “part” of narration you quoted was in reference to that. That women could leave her husband but for her to go back to her first husband she has to consummate her new marriage.
Your ignorance and taqqya know no bounds do they.
Do some research yourslef
You have your computer in front of you with its Israeli made Pentium chip, use it
A simple question why does someone burn korans if they are the same? Why would Uthman do so? Not only that the recitiation that was chosen by Uthman was not the favoured one by Mohammad but that is deep hadith study that you will not get close to Sajida in your fantasy world and I am not going to waste my time gettting into that one. Uthman and Mohammad disagree with you but that is no problem for you. Let us have a hadith from you to back up what you say. You can not supply one that says that all the korans burnt by Uthman were the same. Just fantasy made up stuff. Still if your religion is based on fantasy and not the Koran and the haiths and sira that is your problem. You can not fool anyone with your fantasy but yourself.
One the topic of anger why have you and your rape sheik angered so many white christian people and hindus. Why have you done this to so many people. The Kuffar is deeply offended and remains so. Kuffar anger is high. Not only that Allah is on our side. He made us greater in number. He created us to dominate over you. The way you are carrying on you will end up angering another group like the Chinese with one billion 300 million people. It seems you are the minority in the world. Allah made the angry kuffar much greater in number and his favour is on the angry kuffar in so many ways. I would not be surprised if Allah does not send a stone on to the head of Al Hilali with the weight of 2 billion angry kuffar and crush him. Inshallah! The greater weight of the kuffar will crush all muslims if Allah chooses to do.
Let us face it the mulims are led by Brown Circumcised Men. BCMs. These Brown Circumcised Men are known to inbreed. They marry their cousins. That means they suffer from so many genetic complications. One of these complications is Microencephalisation. This means that these inbred brown men have a smaller brain size than should be the case for thier body size. This leads to a mental retardation also known as lower intelligence. Shirl in Oz has demonstrated the mental superiority of Jew compared to muslims. However, this Jewish mental ability is in fact so great that it outshines all other group on the planet. The problem that Jews face is hostility and tiny numbers. The tiny numbers however is not a problem at all for white christians who are also smarter than muslims and crafted western civiliastion. A mighty thing indeed. So you see the point is the people you are against are just smarter than you and more in number. Your brown circumcised man Al Hilali is just an idiot suffering from microencephalisation and a following of low population. The Chinese and Indian Hindus are not so clever as Western people but what about their numbers; just taken together they amount to much much much more in terms of population as compared to muslims. If two billion and 300 million Hindus from India and Chinese Buddhist people land on your BCMs they will disappear. Clearly Allah has made the Kuffar (and I have not talked about all Kuffar) to dominate in numbers, brain power and technology. The BCMs are struggling with their smaller brains and smaller number to take over the world for Allah. How Allah laughs at such stupidity! BCMs can not even make a nuclear reactor or dig for oil without help. If you wish to research the topic of inbreeding among the BCMs and how it impacts their intelligence then find a gentleman called Sennels on the internet. Nicholai Sennels. This gentleman has studied this topic indepth. Next time you visit Al Hilali you will see a different Al Hilali. You will see a BCM with microencepalisation struggling with low intelligence and hardly any population to take over the world for Allah. How Allah laughs at such audacity! I suppose you could retreat into your Islam golden age fantasy and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world fantasy. Let us know when you catch up in terms of numbers and brain power.
@Syeda, so it’s okay for your husband to slap you around then, because he’s not violent.
Glad we’ve got that established.
Once upon a time, my father slapped me in the face. It was only once, and I was the only child in my family who was ever hit there.
It hurt him to the extent that his face turned white and he left the room immediately.
It also didn’t matter that I did, in face, deserve it – I was a teenager and had been fighting with my mother and would not back down. I was out of control and needed to be brought back to earth, so he did that.
25 years later, he still regretted it. I forgave him, but he could not forgive himself.
I suspect that your husband would not be so upset if he felt the need to slap you.
Mohammed definitely didn’t feel any remorse at smacking out young Aisha, or advising other men to beat their women.
But that’s okay with you, because it’s in the quran, and the hadiths, and well, Aisha probably had it coming to her.
This is why there are so many muslim women in shelters around the world, but that’s okay, too.
So you do not believe that Palastinans are fat.They are very fat. I have not seen a thin Palastinaian. I have not seen a starving Pally ever. I have seen thin Africans. I have seen thin Indians and Bangladeshis. These people are thin because they do not have enough food to eat. I have seen starving Africans. Palastinans are not starving. They are the among the fattest most well fed obese people in the world. Arabs are the worlds number one obese people. Let us take Quatar.Qatar is a clear winner in the fattest people competition. It is next to other entrants in this list, such as Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. Qatar’s estimated 1.5 million citizens are Arabs.And they are large. Very large. More than 2.5% higher than second-placed in this list, 39.95% of adults are obese. 34.6% of men have a BMI of over 30, and an absolutely astonishing 45.3% of women are obese. The fat arab is a staple of the modern world. Not doing anything all day. Getting the technical minded westerners or the slaves from India and Pakistan or Bangladesh to sweat in the hot sun while they drink tea in air conditioned comfort. The Pallis are the same. They get more aid per capita than anyone else. More aid goes to them than the slim people of the slums of india or bangladesh or the nearly dieing people of darfur. The Pallys are fat with aid. The top three fattest countries are Quatar, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia. Put out your poor pally propaganda. We see with our own eyes who is starving and thin and it not your fatty friends the Arabs or the rebranded arabs known now as Palastinians. Only a jew hating muslims or jew hating liberals would feel sorry for such obese people.
Isreal is doing fine but in your fantasy world it is not doing well. You wish. Isreal is great and doing really well as are your pally friends who are eating burgers all day and not going to the gym. I certainly have no concern for either group as they both doing very well. I am concerned about Darfur. Now they are doing badly. It is because of the Pallys getting the lion’s share of aid that there is never any aid for people in Darfur who really need it and are in fact starving.
Finally, Syeda did you know that Mohammad was a white guy.
Did she know that the slave traders, who sold the black Africans to Britain and the US were Muslims.??
Makes me die the fact that the Gazan Arabs recieve more aid from the international community than any other people and they are the ones that don’t need it.
Here’s a few links to show you the wonderful life in Gaza.
Gaza: The Grand Palace Hotel—One of many
http://www.israellycool.com/2010/07/20/a-taste-of-concentration-camp-gaza-the-grand-palace-hotel/
http://www.rootsclub.ps/index.php
More evidence Gaza is not starving
Thursday, June 10, 2010 | Ryan Jones
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The international community is sticking to the line that the Gaza Strip is a land of destitution where famine grips nearly every family. Comparisons with World War II concentration camps are popular.
But one of the results of the recent failed “humanitarian aid” flotilla to Gaza is that more and more journalists and researches are looking into the Gaza situation and finding it doesn’t really reflect what is being written about it.
We already wrote last month about how National Post correspondent Tom Gross discovered gourmet restaurants and Olympic-sized swimming pools in Gaza. Lt. Col. (ret.) Jonathan D. Halevi of the Institute for Contemporary Affairs has compiled a comprehensive report on the situation in Gaza including several quotes from the mainstream and Arab press that acknowledge Gaza is not starving, and is no worse off than anywhere else in the Middle East.
In a June 3 report, Janine Zacharia of the Washington Post wrote, “If you walk down Gaza City’s main thoroughfare – Salah al-Din Street – grocery stores are stocked wall-too-wall with everything from fresh Israeli yogurts and hummus to Cocoa Puffs smuggled in from Egypt. Pharmacies look as well-supplied as a typical Rite Aid in the United States.”
Earlier in the year, the Palestinian Bethlehem-based news agency Ma’an reported that “Gaza markets are saturated with goods.”
To drive home the point, Halevi included a list provided by Israel’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territoris of what Israel sent into Gaza in 2009 (in addition to what was smuggled in or brought in by private business concerns):
* Health: 4,883 tons of medical equipment and medicines entered Gaza that year in coordination with the Palestinian Authority and international agencies;
* Electricity: Israel continued to supply electricity to Gaza from its power plant in Ashkelon. In addition, 41 truckloads of equipment were transferred for the maintenance of the electrical system in Gaza. Between April and October 2009, Siemens carried out maintenance work on the power system in Gaza, to which more than 100 million liters of diesel fuel were delivered for its operation.
* Communications: 45 truckloads of communication equipment were sent to Gaza at the request of the Palestinian Authority.
* Water and sewage: 95 truckloads of equipment for water and sewage systems, as well as 3,720 tons of chloride for water purification, were transferred during 2009.
* The private sector: 77 percent of the contents of trucks sent into Gaza in 2009 were for the private sector. 257 Palestinian businessmen exited Gaza to Israel, the West Bank, and abroad. 10,871 head of cattle were transferred to Gaza, mainly for the Ramadan and Eid al-Adha holidays. In preparation for winter, 3,607 tons of glass for windows was transferred to Gaza.
* Money: Over NIS 1.1 billion (approximately $300 million) was transferred to Gaza in 2009 to fund salaries and the activities of international organizations. In addition, NIS 40 million (approximately $10 million) in worn banknotes were replaced.
* Humanitarian aid: 141,390 tons of humanitarian aid were transferred by the international community through Israel, including 115,043 tons of food and 2,990 tons of medicines and medical equipment.
* UNRWA: 3,282,000 liters of fuel and diesel were transferred for use by UNRWA. In addition, special equipment for summer camps, including swimming pools, ice cream machines, musical instruments, and sports equipment were transferred to UNRWA.
* Agricultural export: The export of flowers and strawberries was approved as part of a joint project with the government of the Netherlands. Since the beginning of the project, more than 7 million flowers and 54 tons of strawberries were exported.
Israel does indeed maintain a firm blockade of the Gaza Strip in order to deny its Hamas rulers goods that could be used in the manufacture of weapons of war. But Israel is not restricting the entry of other goods, and is in fact facilitating the transfer of massive amounts of humanitarian aid every day – goods that the residents of Gaza are receiving for free, that is if Hamas would stop stealing them.
Halevi also responded to claims that even if Israel’s blockade is not causing starvation, it has essentially created a well-stocked prison for 1.5 million Palestinians. Halevi noted that the border crossings of Gaza are not nor have they ever been closed to either the exit or entry of local Palestinians. Of course, since foreign nations sit on the other side of those crossings, coordination with their authorities is required, but that is not different than the citizen of any other nation requiring a visa to visit a neighboring state.
Over the past five years, Israel and Egypt have approved 98 percent of permit requests to cross the Gaza border. In 2009, 10,544 Palestinians left Gaza for medical treatment in Israel, 147 students went abroad for studies, 374 Christians left Gaza to celebrate Christmas in Israel and Bethlehem, and Gaza-based members of the Palestinian soccer team regularly exited the coastal strip to participate in matches with foreign teams. The very few rejections are the only cases that receive media coverage, however.
Read Halevi’s full report here: http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&TMID=111&LNGID=1&FID=377&PID=0&IID=4123
The world’s first gourmet starvation experience
As the latest absurd flotilla of fools – eight boats carrying no fewer than 700-800 activists — stages another confrontation with Israel to draw the world’s attention to the ‘humanitarian crisis’ in Gaza, Tom Gross writes a timely piece pointing out that Gaza’s shops and markets are full. In a piece of particularly happy serendipity, Gaza’s first Olympic standard swimming pool was inaugurated yesterday. But as Gross writes, the western media dutifully pump out the party line that Gaza is starving:
What they won’t tell you about are the fancy new restaurants and swimming pools of Gaza, or about the wind surfing competitions on Gaza beaches, or the Strip’s crowded shops and markets. Many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza live a middle class (and in some cases an upper class) lifestyle that western journalists refuse to report on because it doesn’t fit with the simplistic story they were sent to write.
… If you pop into the Roots Club in Gaza, according to the Lonely Planet guidebook, you can ‘dine on steak au poivre and chicken cordon bleu’. The restaurant’s website in Arabic gives a window into middle class dining and the lifestyle of Hamas officials in Gaza. And here it is in English, for all the journalists, UN types and NGO staff who regularly frequent this and other nice Gaza restaurants (but don’t tell their readers about them).
And here is a promotional video of the club restaurant. In case anyone doubts the authenticity of this video, I just called the club in Gaza City and had a nice chat with the manager who proudly confirmed business is booming and many Palestinians and international guests are dining there.
But according to Greta Berlin, of the Free Gaza Movement, the flotilla intends to
break the blockade of the Gaza Strip and tell the world that Israel has no right to starve 1.5 million Palestinians.
Surely the world’s first gourmet starvation experience?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6034520/the-worlds-first-gourmet-starvation-experience.thtml
There are plenty more of shopping malls, spas, water parks the lists go on
This is a Gazan web site
Lots of lovely photos
http://paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html
The roots club in Gaza has a youtube video. Check it out Syeda. The world’s first gourmet starvation experience indeed.
I have loads of links to how they aren’t starving in Gaza, even reports form the Arab press.
Check my post above
Read this
It is too long to post
http://cifwatch.com/2010/07/21/pimping-gazas-poor/
@Nilk, why ask a question when the answer is going to be discarded?
Generalisations and presumptions donot do much favour to you. You probably deserve a slap right now too for presuming that my husband and I have no respect each other. But may be that is something that was never really taught to you or just fell on deaf ears.While you boast values that you were taught you certainly didnt learn how to hold an intelligent conversation. You started the conversation in an unpleasant manner and thus far you are merely deteriorating.Dont you feel any shame for calling this australian? I will leave you with something,ignorance breeds ignorance and hatred breeds hate. What you guys are doing here is spreading both. I tried communicating with you but it appears pointless.
Yes Shirl do you really think that you can convince me that palestinians are living the life of luxury at the hands of israelis? Wonder why all the independant mission of UN donot see the issue with your eyes. Maybe because they are not believers of zionist agenda.
“During its 37 years of occupation, Israel has already violated every article of the Geneva convention.”
— shez
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
“Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.” Benjamin Netanyahu: Speech at Bar-Ilan University, 1989
“We must expel Arabs and take their places.” David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”
“The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”…. Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” Israeli Prime Minister Menahim Begin in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
Would you like me to quote one Muslim after another to you. Those you gave are as bad, if not worst as the mis-quote from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad about Israel.
You are quoting too from 1938 or thereabouts.
My G-d the loony in Iran says more and worst than that daily.
How can a non-existent person be living in poverty of otherwise.
By Palestinian, do you mean a Palestinian Arab.?
There is , nor has there ever been a country called Palestine.
If you are speaking of Gaza, you only need to check the Arab press, because they too say there are no shortages in Gaza.
The only this week which was reported that the hospitals are complaining that Hamas is stealing the medical supplies.
Hamas also this week confirmed that Israel figures for Operation Cast Lead were accurate
This is the best video to come out of Operation Cast Lead. I love it. That’s why I kept it.
You will note a thriving untouched Gaza city in the back ground. Which by all accounts had been destroyed !! lol !!
A reporter is going about her business of reporting. When she is told that Hamas has used that very building as a launching pad !! She thinks it funny
It won’t be when the IDF locate the position and retaliate !!
Then the world says big bad Israel, firing on civilians !!
“Hamas fires from foreign Press building in Gaza January 2009 – Unintentional News from Alarabiya-TV”
Try this beauty too
This is excellent
If you walk down Gaza City’s main thoroughfare — Salah Al Din Street — grocery stores are stocked wall-to-wall with everything from fresh Israeli yogurts and hummus to Cocoa Puffs smuggled in from Egypt. Pharmacies look as well-supplied as a typical Rite Aid in the United States.
“When Western people come, they have this certain image of Gaza,” said Omar Shaban, an economist who heads Pal-Think for Strategic Studies in Gaza. “We have microwaves in our homes, not only me, everybody. If you go to a refugee camp, the house is bad, but the people and the equipment are very modern. The problem is the public infrastructure.”
During a typical week in May, Israel allowed in 637 truckloads ferrying 14,069 tons of food, medicine and other supplies. Frustrated at its inability to convince critics that there is no crisis in Gaza and no need for emergency aid, Israel tried sarcasm late last month as the flotilla went to sea. Gazans readily admit they are not going hungry.
From the Qatar Peninsular paper Friday, 04 June 2010
Your koran burning caliph even changed the order of the koran. The book the clot is the first book to be delivered by Gabriel to Mohammad the white prophet of Islam. You can see clearly from by reading it. Now why is this book, the first book not number one in the Uthman book now called the Koran. Because the order of the Utham book is changed from the chronolgy of the life of Mohammad. The first meeting with Mohammad is the fist book of the Koran not as is the case in the Uthman book, number 96. Certainly Uthman is the collector and organiser of the Koran to suit how he wanted it to be. In which case Allah is out of the picture. It is not Allah’s book, it is Uthman’s book.
Don’t forget the Satanic verses that are no more in the Koran. These verses are meeting the challenge of the Koran to compose a verse like the koran as they went undetected and accepted as part of the Koran but are no more in the Koran or the Uthman book as the Koran should be called. Order of books rearranged, rival koran burnts, verses removed. Proof that the Koran is not the word of Allah. Sometimes evern Allah forgets that he is the author of the Koran and starts praying to himself or is he praying to another Allah which we will call Allah tw0. Maybe this is the Allah with the three daughters of Allah al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. Certainly we know that Akbar was also a god in the ex house of idolatry known as the Kaaba, which ex house of idolatry you like to point yourself to when you praise Allah. The correct translation of the Phrase from Arabic of AllahuAkbar is Allah and Akbar. True arabic speakers know. They are not fooled by mistranslations. So much for monotheism. This is why Allah is very angry with muslims for not following monotheism but polytheism.
It appears to me that the real authers of the Koran are Mohammad, his uncle Waraqa bin Naufil, the scribes of the Koran who even offered alternative words to Mohammad which he approved and of course Uthman, the collector, and the rival Koran burner from which source we get a Koran which is not even chronological. Allah as author is simply not true. To suggest otherwise is ignorance based on not knowing the history of the Koran which is well know to scholars of Islam.
@Shirl
Lets see what orthodox Jews have to say about Palestinians and the glorious lief they lead thanx to a zionist sate.
“Palestinian are the victims of the Zionist movement’s moral blindness and obstinate refusal to take into account the existence of peoples other than themselves. The Palestinian people have a right to their homeland. And they have a right to financial restitution for property loss and damages inflicted upon them over the past decades. ”
Lets see what they have to say about the state of israel and zionist contribution in holocaust’s misery. Bearing in mind you advocated Churchillian version of history
“As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the U.S. Congress proposed to set up a commission to “study” the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principal American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.
This is the same Rabbi Wise who, in 1938, in his capacity as leader of the American Jewish Congress, wrote a letter in which he opposed any change in U.S. immigration laws which would enable Jews to find refuge. He stated:
“It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference. … It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws.”
…”Our Shomer ‘Weltanschauung,”‘ Hashomer Hatzair, December 1936. Originally published in 1917, Brenner, Zionism, p. 22.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
The Zionists continue to practice this strategy today. They incite anti-Semitism and then they present themselves as the “saviors”. Here are two replies given by Leaders of the Zionists during World War II, when they were asked for money to help ransom Jews from the Nazis. Greenbaum said “One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland.” (G-d forbid).
Weitzman said, “The most important part of the Jewish people is already in the land (of Israel) and those who are left, are unimportant” (May we be spared).
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm
Another nugget about lordy Israel of today
“They start wars that endanger the Jewish People, for the sake of their own political interests.”
“If one contemplates the two thousand years of our exile, take any hundred years even the hardest, one will not find as much suffering, bloodshed, and catastrophes for the People of Israel in the period of the Zionists, and it is known that most of the suffering of this century was caused by the Zionists, as our Rabbis warned us would be the case.”
“The Zionist State persecute all Jews who are loyal to their Faith.”
We seek the return of all Palestinian refugees to their rightful land.
“We seek to live in the land of Palestine as anti Zionist Jews. To reside as loyal and peaceful Palestinian citizens, in peace and harmony with our Muslim Brethren. Just as our ancestors lived in Palestine for centuries before the usurpations of this tragic century.”
“we fear far more for the Jews in the present hopeless situation. After 53 years, five wars, endless terror and counter terror, innocent civilians dead on both sides, there is no solution in sight. Both the Israeli right and left have failed miserably to rectify this situation. We are offering an alternative to what is clearly a tragic experiment.
This is the jewish belief , love. Maybe something will enlighten you eventually.
this is the video of jews being persecuted by peace loving, tree huggers of the zionist state. leaves such a great image in mind.
Listen sweetheart.I won’t waste my time with the likes of you. I haven’t the time, nor the inclination to be quite honest with you
I can easily give you proof of the lies that ooze from you and your ilk
i’ve been doing it for years and I am now past it
Get over it because you have been fed a diet of lies
so that explains your current mind set,lack of time and inclination.i thought so before i got into this to be honest. but what was the harm in trying,or so i thought.
This just in and it’s not a Jewish group
Christians and Jews under attack
The main threat to the Jewish people today is no longer physical, as it was in the past. Rather, it is directed at the legitimacy and survival of the State of Israel itself, the Jewish State. It is no longer a case of the Palestinians attempting to create a State, but of the shift in the mindset of a significant number of them from a nationalist to an Islamist cause. Israel is now under threat from radical Islam as practised by agents ranging from countries like Iran to terrorist forces such as Hizbollah in the North and Hamas in the South.
Last week there were a number of attacks in different Muslim nations against peaceful Christians. Though probably unconnected to each other, the succession of deadly attacks reveals a clear pattern: Islam today, under the influence of radical elements and fundamentalists, is not a tolerant faith and is being invoked in increasingly violent acts. In many places its radical strain is acquiring an aggressive and totalitarian nature. Thus, the recent attacks against Christian living in Muslim lands are not only the continuation of the long-established practice of harassing those who do not share the Islamic faith, but a further step in the process of religious cleansing preached by the Islamists.
The strategic significance of this pattern is obvious: for Christians, appeasement does not work. Trying to propitiate an Islam that is under the influence of radical elements is a futile enterprise that, ultimately, will prove to be counterproductive. Religious freedom is, quite simply, not part of the fundamentalist vision of what the region should look like.
Secondly, these events are another instance of the seeming impossibility of accommodating the radicals in any way, be they Islamists, Palestinians or others. Just as there are many who would like to see Israel vanish into thin air, there are many who want the Christians to move out too. The only goal of radical Islam is subjugation, not tolerance and freedom for all.
Finally, what the attacks underline is the urgent need for a new understanding between people of goodwill, both Christian and Jewish, in order to reinforce their common heritage, values, interests and future. An extremist faith cannot be countered by reason alone, but needs a good dose of faith and goodwill as well.
The Friends of Israel Initiative defends Israel’s legitimacy and right to exist as a Jewish State, and we do so from a non-Jewish perspective. We cannot remain silent about the criminal attacks against Christians in Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan and elsewhere because this is all part and parcel of the same struggle, a battle between those who are civilised and those who are not. It is high time that Christians and Jews understand their common strategic interest: together we can prevail.
http://www.friendsofisraelinitiative.org/
@Shirl that article proves the point.the threat to israel is ” of the Palestinians attempting to create a State,”.What farce that doesnot prove anything other than that this writer shares a viewpoint with zionist. Can you explains why the orthodox jews are persecuted in israel?can you explain why they are against israel? i mean this guy is beyond belief. he has no trouble is all nationalities of jews wanting a state of israel, but if the same thing is desired by muslims they become radicals? hypocrisy doesnt dont him credit. the thing is that state of israel had no legitimacy other than the help of world hegmons but if one was to concur that as palestinians obviously had to even then israel canno accept the presence of palestine. and america eggs them on. these two repeatedly reject two state solution and meanwhile import zionist nationals. this is just wrong. you defraud the local people of their land and deny them the right to govern themselves. deny them the right to the land that you robbed them of. this is what has happened in australia,usa and newzealand and this is what israel is doing.
Israel does not persecute the weird wacky orthodox Jews, they are left to their own devices. The believe in some anccient prophesy that we cannot return until the Messiah arrives.
No one took anyone’s land
Why you and your ilk are worried about one 8th of 1% of the ME is beyond me.
Even wondered by the rest of your “brothers” don’t want the Gazan Arabs. Maybe you should look at that one
Israel absorbed all the Jews that were thrown out of Arab/Muslims lands and had to sign over all their property
The number of Arab that left Israel of thier own accord was far less. No one kikced them out. It is well documented. Even Abbas tell that version of events
It is all well documented… look it up sweetheart !!
*Many Arabs claim that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Palestinians became refugees in 1947-49.
The last census was taken by the British in 1945. It found approximately 1.2 million permanent Arab residents in all of Palestine.
A 1949 Government of Israel census counted 160,000 Arabs living in the country after the war. In 1947, a total of 809,100 Arabs lived in the same area
This meant no more than 650,000 Palestinian Arabs could have become refugees. A report by the UN Mediator on Palestine arrived at an even lower figure — 472,000, and calculated that only about 360,000 Arab refugees required aid.*
http://www.hudson-ny.org/1422/palestinians-in-arab-world
Read that and don’t bug me anymore, you are one hate filled individual and with those ideas, you shouldn’t be living in our western world
@Shirl,you mean that doesnt ring any bell with you?why didnt zionist movements (as recorded, these poor orthodox jews) lift a finger to help jews being persecuted by europeans? “a cow in palestine is worth more than anywhere” mentality as held by them and it is paradoxical that these very people now use anti semitism as a regular vehicle to gather support for the state founded by the bunch who turned a blind eye to a vast majority of jewish people in peril. why dont they absorb palestinians? what the heck sort of argument is that? why cant palestinians live in the land they own rather than asking other arab states for refuge?oh thats right because they were robbed of their land by israel . if one cannot agree to that, then one cannot even explain the presence of a population seeking refuge. just look at urself you have danced the entire globe first to suggest, no palestinian is dispossessed but hese are scum of the place shouting, then you said no no no they are having a lavish life and your accredited resource is a restaurant menu and the last thing is why arent they absorb by the rest of them. ever thought why couldnt western states absorb these zionist since you love them so much. why install them here?as for not bugging you anymore. you are free not to respond. its not like someone is holding a gun to your head. and when people begin to run out of arguments that is what usually happens. as for my hate filled mentality. anyone reading our entire post can tell who is hate filled. using words like scum to describe people who are later admitted by yourself as refugees is what hatefille dmind sounds like. i call a zionist just what he is a “zionist” and as for the rest. i quoted resources so there my presence on your delicate mind might be a weight but its not because i am hate filled ,its because i donot readily accept the usual garbage fed to people. just look at this idiotic siet if you wan to see the meaning of hate translated.
All muslim land is really Kuffar land. Mecca was taken by the muslims to propagate their religion. It is kuffar land. It was a place of idolatry and housed in the Kaaba 360 idols. It is kuffar and one day it come back to the Kuffar. Medina was a jewish settlement until the imperialist muslims invaded and made it muslim. It is kuffar. One day it will return. Isreal is a kufffar state and it has now returned to the Kuffar. The kuffar will keep its rightful possession. All the earth belongs to the Kuffar. We will reclaim it all from the imperialist muslims. They will be made to return what does not belong to them.
Very good arabconqueredpersian, you might want to point out that when Mohammad founded his cult 1/3rd of the Arabic population was Jewish and 1/3rd were Christian. Mohammad murdered them to prevent them from continuing to practice their religions.
Thanks for that information Richard I was not aware of the exact degree of Jewish and Christian influence in Arabia. I know it was there and it certainly was enough to get Mo thinking and start to his claims on the prophetic template given to him by the Christians and Jews. A template he veered from in his own unique pedophile prophet way. Someone should make a movie called the Peodophile Prophet and see if muslims start rioting. If they riot and draw attention to the movie it will draw attention to the peodophilia of mohammad. If they do not it will be a victory for the kuffar over the imperialistic muslims. Getting back to the Christian/Jewish influence part of your post it is true to say that Mohammads’s uncle was a Christian and his name was Waraqa bin Naufil. So Christianity was in his family. Later in his career as the peodophile prophet he even married a Jewish women after killing her family and sleeping with her on that very night. So there you have it a Christian man and a Jewish woman was part of his family.
And I will bet both ended up hating him.
**Someone should make a movie called the Peodophile Prophet and see if muslims start rioting.**
OMG I can’t stop laughing……the blood would run in the streets
Look at all the fuss they made about a little ol’ teddy bear !
arabconqueredpersian sorry, I have to call you on that one. Mohamed did not marry a Jewish woman. He raped one the night he murdered her husband and son. He invented a rule so that he and his thug followers were free to rape who they wanted by calling it marriage and applying rules that, while seeming exclusionary, were actually permissive enough to men that they could have up to four ‘wives (although Mohamed had an unlimited number) and any number of sex slaves and women as war booty.
In essence, I mean to say that in Islam, marriage as a term is a ruse just as is the term ‘martyr’ and so many other terms that are meant to sound noble and sacrificial to us, but have been distorted and perverted to suit the tastes of one of history’s greatest monsters. The Paedophile Mohamed. May sewage be upon him.
“The Paedophile Mohamed. May sewage be upon him.”
Well said.
I was asked a question a few days ago. We all know that male martyrs get the standard ration of 72 virgins and one boy, when they reach “heaven”
Women don’t go to heaven unless they achieve martyrdom..do they get the allotted 72 MALE virgins ??