Things are getting interesting…
ABC affiliate WKRP Channel 2 in Nashville did a story on the Former Muslims United ad placed on a Lamar Advertising digital billboard near the Stone’s River Mall in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. FMU colleague and executive director Nonie Darwish was interviewed as were a cross section of the community who had viewed the ad. Darwish said:
“I have no problem with religious aspects of Islam but Islam is majority a political system,” she told News 2. We are trying to alert the public. I don’t want to see it because they’re aiming at the Bible belt.”
Watch the WKRP news video. The WKRP news report, follows:
MURFREESBORO, Tenn. – The controversy over plans to expand the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro and construction a new mosque in Rutherford County continues.
The latest outburst against the mosque is an electronic billboard near the Stones River Mall.
The billboard, paid for by former Muslims, reads, “Stop the Murfreesboro mosque” and lists the Web site of Former Muslims United, an organization made up of people who used to be Muslim, sharing their opposition to Islam.
Nonie Darwish is a member of the California-based organization.
“I have no problem with religious aspects of Islam but Islam is majority a political system,” she told News 2. “We are trying to alert the public.”
The green background represents the Saudi National flag with the Muslim profession of faith on it.
According to Former Muslims United, the children on the billboard represent the target of the threat.
Darwish said, “I don’t want to see it because they’re aiming at the Bible belt.”
The billboard is the latest in the controversy that began weeks ago when the Rutherford County Planning Commission approved the project.
Mosque protestors are planning to present a petition to the Rutherford County Commission at the commission’s next meeting in August.
Because county officials already approved the proposal, it is solely up to them whether the project will continue.
It is just typical of islamic people to imply that I was agitated whenever I tried to expose their islamic badness.
Eeyore, I think islamic people would never improve their misbehaviour or their horrible islamic culture, however advance or moral they may claim themselves to be.
And those islamics who always exhibited an eerie calmness that often hide or displayed their typical islamic hystericalness trying to tell us naturally calm nonbelievers to calm down! I as a nonbeliever feel offended that islamics who don’t know how to behave oftentimes tried to tell us nonbelievers how to behave.
Alhamdulillah!
Great to see the culture and civilization of “calm and cultured” adherents of the Western “culture.” Thank you “WILL” for actually proving my long ago posted points. Did I hit the nerve? Well, several challenges have been put forward to you, yet you have not addressed one of them, rather you have wasted all your energy in typing senseless jibberish.
Try again Will!
Oh, and by the way Will, how about little better organized English sentences and little more effort in grammar aspect as well!
I feel that you are afraid to even state what you are (Christian, Atheist, Deist…) I wonder why?! 🙂
Must be the departure of the “Spiritual” influence!
Where are you really from “Will?” Are you going to tell me now (like someone long time in another blog) that you are an ex-Muslim? You qualified to speak on Islam and Shariah?
Please…
How about a public, televised debate on the issue with you? Since you are well qualified person to speak on it, I am sure we can find one qualified Muslim.
Anyway, just chill out and again I say, peace upon you all and may Allah swt guide you all! Amin! 😉
Abu Ahmed, you seems to see fit to twist and turn what I said AND EVEN SPELT MY initial INCORRECTLY. . I only said that I am more than qualified than anyone to CRITICISE ISLAMIC CULTURE AND ISLAMIC PEOPLE. PLEASE REFER TO MY PREVIOUS POST AND REREAD AGAIN. IT SEEMS POINTLESS TO DEBATE WITH YOU ON ANYTHING WHEN YOU CAN’T EVEN UNDERSTAND ONE SENTENCE OF MY SIMPLE COMMENT IN ENGLISH AND YOU TRIED TO BELITTLE MY COMMAND OF ENGLISH. AND BY THE WAY, IS IT A TACTIC FOR ISLAMIC PEOPLE TO ACCUSE PEOPLE WRONGLY IF ONE CRITICISE ISLAMIC PEOPLE?ARE YOU TO MEAN THAT WHEREVER THERE IS ISLAM THERE SHOULD BE IMPOSITION OF SHARIA FOR NONBELIEVERS? NOT ONLY I AM NOT SUPRISED BY YOUR ISLAMIC NASTINESS, I JUST HAVE ENOUGH TALKING TO ARROGANT RUDE ISLAMIC PEOPLE LIKE YOU. PERHAPS, I AM NOT FIT TO TALK TO YOU AS I AM ONLY A NONBELIEVER WHO DESPISE YOUR ISLAM AND SHARIA.
And by the way, Abu Ahmed, where I am from and where I am going is also none of your business. And I don’t have to announce to the whole world about my nonbeliefs in supernatural. You are the one that is typing nonsense trying to even insult me personally and imply all sort of untruth which another typical horrible islamic traits.
And I have never insulted any islamic people personally though was insulted many times by islamic and pro-islamic people in various blogs. I only criticise rude, nasty backward islamic practices, horrible islamic culture and selfish supremacist islamic people/community in general terms.
And Abu ahmed, anyway, what is the point of replying to your questions as you are not only seems to be so obssessed about your islam, but you are also offensive when you imposed your islamic greetings on us nonbelievers. I as a nonbeliever have a right not to reply to you, if I don’t wish to or not interested to debate further anything which I find as most unimportant and unnecessary unless it affect negatively on our nonbeliever life. After all your islamic religion is not worth replying to. Just knowing your foul islamic rule did not improve our nonbelievers life and that your intolerant islamic culture is incompatible with our nonbelievers life is enough.
I see this site has come alive again, which surprised me.
The following is an extract from ~It is in God that we have our being – update 2011~ The complete article is third item down on the CommuniChristi homepage.
I have sat in groups of Christians dancing, chanting & praying… ~Jesus please come now, all our problems will be solved if you do~ My opinion… NUTS!
I have sat in groups of Muslims, blindly terrified out of their wits. ~Allah please don’t come now, it would have calamitous & irreversible consequence if you did~ My opinion… NUTS!
OK mans always been a bit crazy anyway, so it only matters what you are crazy about.
I will stay with the Jesus freaks, at least they have positive expectations of any direct encounter with Christ, & a bit wacky or not, positive is a constructive hope for humanity.
I cannot support Islam, Muslims have negative expectations of any direct encounter with their Allah entity, & fear is a destructive negative which paralyses & enslaves.
My encounter with over enthused Christians explains why they sometimes overstate the immediate benefits of the Christian faith. My encounter with Muslims explains why they are lovely people, who commit the most monstrous acts without remorse or conscience. (~At a moments notice Islam can generate such a mass of feeling, it breaks the brittle bonds the reformer has so painstakingly established~ Lord Cromer, Viceroy, Egypt 1900)
My Muslim friends tell me ~you are not a Muslim, you don’t understand~ I reply, ~I am not a Muslim but I do understand~ Mainly I understand ~informed consent~ to rule of love is a troublesome thing & a challenging thing, but there is hope in it for man; while ~submitting~ to a rule of fear is a bad thing.
I despair for Muslims enslaved by the darkness of Islam; I have deep concerns if Islam ever achieves its Jihad objective; of all mankind submitting to a rule of darkness from which it may never again escape.
Those who were enslaved by Islam 1,500 years ago are still bound to it today. To leave Islam is death; killed by your fellow Muslim’s. To leave Christianity is damnation, a legitimate & self correcting exercise in the misguided use of freewill. A learning experience, thus Christianity has no need to kill apostates.
Muslims cannot live in the west & proselytize Islam as ~the answer~ while refusing to be responsible for their own failed countries. Christ said ~by their fruits shall you know~ If Islam is the answer fix your own countries, if you can’t fix your own countries Islam is not an answer but a problem to mankind & a threat to humanity.
Lastly, on the much mentioned subject of the Sharia. Both faiths are based on the Ten Commandments; yet Christianity interprets & administers through love, Islam through fear. Differences in the instruments of administration leads to irreconcilably different laws.
God bless the liberating mission of the Most High God of the Bible & his Son of love.
Ken Maynard. email… communichristi@gmail.com
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Alhamdulillah!
As salamu aleykum to all visitors of good will and greetings to “Will.”
Yes, I understand your agony of not being able to have civilized answer to ANY of my questions and comments posted. All I can see here is your hatred and bashing, which is nothing new considering you are not the first one of your kind I have encountered.
The reason I asked you about your stance or belief system was simply because you criticized Islam, yet you have not provided something better than that. Normally when someone points out a fault in regards to something, usually they have solution to that fault and explanation of why and how that solution is better than the thing at fault.
You actually have not provided anyting on this blog yet, other than unsubstantiated attacks against a global faith. I asked you previously about your “spiritual” comment which you totally ignored. I am starting to believe that you are ashamed because you have no answers to my questions about your own supposed belief system.
Agaian, please, WHAT IS SECULAR CHRISTIANITY AND IF NOT FROM THE BIBLICAL TEACHENS, WHERE THEN DOES IT DERIVE ITS TEACHINGS???
And yes, you are right, what is the point replying to me… even better what is the point even posting on this blog if you don’t know howto carry on a dialogue in civilized manner. As I said before, ANYONE can bash anything in this world, but to substantiate it is another story. Will, I will keep challenging you until you start discussing your allegations in humane and civilized manner, because until now, you have acted exactly like the people you claim to hate. I see no difference between you and a extremist Taliban, in terms of intelligent apporach to differences. 🙂
By the way “Will” it is not “islamics” as you put it, it is Muslims 🙂
If you cannot use the correct terminology, or at least half-way correct, it just solidifies my point that you are non-qualified to discuss Islam in any more serious fashion. I would be glad to discuss “your way” on this blog, but I find it highly unlikely due to your closemindedness, hatred, evil, and deception.
Maybe one day though!
Salam
I apologize for mistyping WLIL’s name into WILL… but I do highly doubt that anyone from the “Country Music Station – Lenor City TN”are actually posting on this site… then again… we are in Tennessee 🙂
Salam 😉
WLIL
Now let’s look at this. At no time in our posts did either Abu or myself say that we believed that people should be forced to live under Shariah
We simply said that we ourselves would not object to a Shariah State
Then we attempted to explain the distinction between that, and trying to practice Islam by following Shariah, on the individual level
If you tell me that you prefer to live in a Democracy, do I get to accuse you of wanting to force me to live in a Democratic state?
Furthermore, at least my post was specifically in response to inquiries made to me by hoarmouth
Isn’t it a bit silly for you to butt in on a conversation that didn’t involve you and then accuse the person that they are pushing their way onto you?
Now, lets look at your response. All you have to say is that we are liars, we are out to decieve, and that we have designs to control your life. Given that we have said nothing even remotely like that, I would characterize that as an agitated, prejudicial response. Furthermore, I would say that the one doing the twisting here is you.
You have brought absolutely nothing substantial to the table. If you make a claim, then you need to present your clear proof. Period.
I lived in an Islamic hellhole
Really.
Do you have nothing else to add? Where did you specifically live, what happened, some concrete examples that back up your claims? Something besides a bunch of hysterically tinged blanket statements?
Or are you just going to get into a huff and tell me that it’s not any of my business?
How convenient for you.
ie, an utter refusal to actually back anything up, when asked to do so?
You do know, don’t you, that if you came into any judge’s chamber with your kind of ‘evidence’ you would be laughed out of court, full stop.
Could you explain to me, also, how living in a Muslim majority population, if you did, somehow qualifies you to discuss the intricacies of Shariah law?
Am I an expert in the legal system here just because I live in the United States?
I mean, if that was a given, would there even be any need for law schools?
BTW, when we were little, and worked up, my mother often times made us sit down with a glass of juice until we calmed down.
Guess what, she was raised as a Christian Scientist
But you know, that is just typical of Christian Scientists, lol
Salam
Your refusal to answer my questions speaks volumes.
Hoarmouth, neither I nor Abu refused to respond to your inquiry
http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=24110&cpage=2#comment-39557
and Abu’s response is in the post directly above.
Both of us addressed both of your questions
If you feel that I did not respond soon enough, I am sorry, but I actually do not look at this blog every day, in fact, I go through weeks at a time where I do not come here at all.
Salam
hoarmouth, your questions have been addressed by me and sister Anne two days after you posted them. Click on the “older post” link and you will see them. That was all before “Ken” and “WLIL” decided to put their two cents in. Seemingly you do not visit this site as often as WLIL, Anne, and I do. As soon as there are larger number of posts the olderones get archived. So, please do not jump to conclusions 🙂
Thanks!
Salam
oh and WLIL
In regards to your complete denial that you ever claimed to be qualified to discuss Shariah, and that you never personally insult Muslims
I only said that I am more than qualified than anyone to CRITICISE ISLAMIC CULTURE AND ISLAMIC PEOPLE
I will refer you to something you said in one of your posts made a day back:
I as a nonbeliever already know what living under inconvenient, horrible and backward islam rule is all about and therefore I don’t need to be told off again and again by irrationally arrogant islamic people or rude and deceptive islamic people”
So, what, are you going to claim that you weren’t actually referring to us personally in that statement, and Shariah isalso not what you were referring to?
Again ,I say that the one doing the twisting here is you.
Not to mention the denying, deceiving, bashing, and insulting
Also, you probably shouldn’t accuse people of bad manners if you yourself feel a
need to post entirely in capitals.
Have a nice day
Anne M, it seems you and Ahmed teamed to push your proislamic agenda. And as usual you all islamics tried to imply that I was agitated when I was only only irritated and disgusted. And I don’t need your islamic hypocrite glass of juice. It is not surprising that you all islamic people like to laugh cruelly at people . And I was only venting my nonbeliever opinion in a blogsite and not in any judge chamber which you Anne M tried to disgustingly twist around . Again, you are displaying another typical horrible pro-islamic charactersitics against any oppponent who speak out against islamics, which I noticed in various other blogsites. I did not butt in at all. I merely stated my personal nonbeliever general point of view and then I was confronted and attacked by Ahmed and I decided to defend myself from his nasty attacks. Is that the way your aggressive islamic people attack innocent commentators who are nonbelievers and who only making a general comparative comment? It just proved that whatever version of islam that you and ahmed are trying to promote, it is just full of islamic intolerance for nonbelievers like myself who seek to defend western civilisation against unpleasant islamic totalitarian agenda. Again, you and Ahmed tried to attack me via your typical evil islamic nasty tactics which I find most disgusting and unacceptable.
Ahmed, isn’t it better you solve your islamic related extremist uncivilised islamic taliban extreme intolerant problems first before you go around intolerantly and irrationally accusing and attacking me, an individual nonbeliever who don’t belong to any group and who merely criticised islamic people, islamic culture and islamic practices in a civilised manner. How would you like it if I say that you are no different from a taliban with your extreme intolerance of my nonbeliever (and criticism of islamic) viewpoints? I subscribe to this notion that one do not do what one do not want others to do unto you. You an Anne M seem to tried to attack me, abused me, implied all sorts of untruths and accuse me all sort just because I criticised islamic people and islamic culture. If this is the ethics of islamic people, perhaps that is why so many people find islamic people ethics so deceptively disgusting. And also I don’t find it worthwhile to discuss anything with you because I am not interested in islam and I find your islamic abusiveness, your islamic evil accusation and your islamic deception is most disgusting and most unacceptable.
Also, if you are not happy helping western people with social problems in the West, and rather have sharia to complicate and worsen our nonbelievers freedom, isn’t it better you stop working and stop getting paid in a western civilisation?
WLIL, I am glad you realized that we Muslims support Islam, as well as Christians support Christianity and its agendas as well as others support their own… Just as you push you ignorant hate filled rants here on this site.
For your information, whatever you said so far on this site it does not bother me a bit. I just hope and wish that you will grow up one day and be able to carry on conversation without any bashing. You know, we also have saying and it goes like this “If you don’t want none, don’t start none” kind of a street lingo but you get the message across.
I don’t even believe that you even live in the US. If you do, you came from some place far behind this time.
Remember one thing, WE ARE MUSLIMS and we will stand behind our points we make, with arguments and counter-arguments, something you have not been able to provide so far. You have been asked several questions, simple ones really, but you became so defensive because YOU CANNOT ANSWER ONE OF THEM… so much for your ability to carry on constructive concerastion.
I can criticize, you can criticize, anyone can, but if we do let it be constructive. Have you actually ever heard of “costructive criticism” yes the one where you offer solutions to things you criticize and provide better ways (if you have some) to come out better at the end!?
You asked me if it wasn’t better for me to solve “our problems” before I was attacking you? Please quote my direct attacks and intolerance toward you and your system of life! – that is yet another challenge.
Also, didn’t I offer you to talk about “your way?” – I gave you opportunity to present your solution and discuss your issues with me. YOU FAILED AGAIN!
Another thing; you didn’t even bring one specific issue from the Shariah to discuss upon, but only harping over “deceiving, evil, intolerant islamics (whatever they are).”
Would I like ot or not for you to say that I am like Taliban, it absolutely does not bother me simply because I can prove it on this site (and I believe I have already shown my level of civilization and without ranting and raving and hating on everyone non-Muslim like you do) as well as in everyday life. You are free to compare me and Muslims with whomever you wish, the only bad thing about it for you is that I really don’t care 🙂
I cannot say that I feel sorry or sad because you have been “abused” by Anne and I because it simply is not true. We may have been sarcastic towards you at worse, simply because to give you little taste of your own medicine. So, cheers mate!!!
I know, this post was yet another “abusive and deceptive practice of islamics..” which you will claim again, because once one reads one of your posts, all one can see is “crying” and “moaning” simply because you have been told something you didn’t want to hear/read. Again, I really don’t care about your feelings and bitching about someone being intolerant, because you came to the site which was created for the purpose of INTOLERANCE in the first place. Intolerance toward Muslims in America, and our basic rights of practicing our faith. We have been accused of many things, unsubstantiated, just like you do, yet we are still here. We will always be.
We will practice our faith every day, every minute of it and we don’t give a damn if you or anyone else do not like it. We are not bothering anyone here nor do we want to be bothered. We offer anyone open doors to our masaajid, and we offer to be at peace and tranquility with all our neighbors. However, we will not allow or tolerate EVER any physical abuse against our brothers and sisters, or any other innocent people simply because they are practicing what they believe in.
As far as your provocations here on the web are concerned WLIL, that is all they are, and will ever be. You have no ability to discuss things reasonably and peacefully, but only PROVOKE and HATE here. We see that and we laugh about it. It just shows your ignorance on the issue(s). Seriously, that is all it is, hot air.
Anyway, I think Anne was right. I would suggest to you as well to sit down, take deep breath and drink you a glass of cold water. Trust me it will feel better! 😉
P.S. I am showing these posts of ours to the people at my work, they all read them, and you are becoming pretty popular, an amusing character. Yes, they are all white non-Muslim Americans, because where I work in my district I am the only Muslim.
They are decent people, they ask things respectfully when they want to know something, and I answer to the best of my knowledge and ability. Most certainly they watch how I carry myself and how I live my life (Shariah way) and NONE of them have a problem. As a matter of fact, one of them even adopted a behavior that it is actually good and beneficial to wash his behind after he defecates, EVERY TIME. Something the western-civilized-culture never taught him among many other things.
PEACE be with you WLIL, and don’t worry you are not offending me or bothering me, tell us how you really feel. Your posts are speaking volumes of the western mentality and mindset (even though I still doubt that you even come from the west). Thank you for that!
Salam to all people of good will!
Ahmed, if you can’t even differentiate what a criticism and what a hate-filled rant is, you are certainly lost. Mine was certainly not a hate-filled rant. My comment was just in self defence from your verbal attack and insult. I hope you and Anne M would be glad to know that both of you had failed to agitate me, failed to deceive me, failed in your islamic socalled goodwill towards me. You and Anne M are the one that started to verbally attack me personally first and I seek to defend myself. irrational islamic mindset intolerable and disturbing. All you did was put harsh judgement on me without trying to understand why I criticised islamic culture and islamic people in general. And this is only a blogsite . I am afraid you might even attack me physically in real life, if I speak up about my dislikes of islamic culture and islamic people in public. That is why I hate talking or discussing anything with islamic people. Islamic people tend to be unreasonable and tend to be full of hot air and get aggressive at the slightest criticsm of islam. Anyway, I am not interested in discussing about any religion with islamic people. You and Anne M just showed up what a team of bullies both of you are in the name of your islamic religion. By the way, I think it is unacceptable for you to push your islamic obsession on vulnerable people who are nonbelievers. How people clean their behind is a personal issue and should not be make into a religious issue. Even people without a religion would also strive for cleanliness. And what about the filth that is rampant in many islamic infested environment? I bet you either would try to deny this fact or ignore another one of the too many negative aspects of islamic infested environment.
And another thing, ahmed if you all islamic people were allowed to hate verbally and rampantly, why us nonbelievers are not allowed to speak out our hate verbally against all those hateful islamic behaviours? Everyone should should equal right in criticising anything in a civilised manner. And I have to say your reply is most certainly uncivilised and unreasonably harsh. Typical of islamic nastiness. If you know your islamic community have many faults, you should try to correct them instead of finding fault with us nonbelievers who are only trying to defend ourselves. The fact that you are the one to provoke me to reply in a defensive tone and now you are accusing me of provoking! That is another of your incredible lies and unfair islamic nastiness. If you are not sincere in having real peace with me as a nonbeliever who disagree with you, why bother wishing us nonbelievers peace? I noted that you keep on verbally attacking me personally and that is certainly not a peaceful attitude. You can live as you wish as long as you don’t harm our decent nonbeliever way of life and don’t try to force us nonbelievers to accept your horrible islamic culture.
CRY ME A RIVER WLIL…
WLIL, I for one would like to apologize for twisting your words around. You are not provoking, at all. When you responded to my post regarding living with Shariah and said ” … I as a nonbeliever already know what living under inconvenient, horrible and backward islam rule is all about and therefore I don’t need to be told off again and again by irrationally arrogant islamic people or rude and deceptive islamic people. It is unacceptable when islamic people affect our nonbelievers life in such a negative way. I think islamic people have no right to deceive or intimidate or humilliate us nonbelievers or interfere in or migrate to Western countries or cause problems to Western civilisation. As far as I know, islam is unworthy of any respect and unworthy to waste time on arguing about it with any socalled knowlegeable islamic people. And one more thing, us nonbelievers should not be made to be afraid of some nasty stuff such as islam and islamic people have no right to preach their irrational nonsense to us nonbelievers………. you clearly did not mean that we are nasty, irrational, ignorant and unworthy of respect. You meant something else, entirely. I see that now. In fact, now that I’ve gone over it again, I have to say that I have never seen such a calm, rational, reasonable response in my life.
I would also like to apologize for getting out line by asking for clarification on your points. I never meant to attack you in such an abusive way or to laugh at you, cruelly. I have learned my lesson and will never ask someone were they lived, why they think as they do, or to back up their claims again, ever.
I see now that the only one here who has been ill treated is you. You have been a gentleman, all around.
Have a wonderful day.
.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH…. I am sorry sister but that was good! 🙂
Salam
Ahmed, I am not crying in any way. There is no need to cry though I am very angry at irrational hateful islamic bullies like yourself. Perhaps you would realise about your islamic mistakes, intentional or otherwise, avoid victimising us nonbelievers who oppose your hateful islamic pranks and that there would be less irrational extreme hate coming from the islamics. Anyway, it had been a waste of time talking to you and Anne M.
WLIL, do you have any connection with the Christian Fundamentalist Terrorist from Norway? Reading his ideology and your rants and hatred here, I am almost positive that you two subscribe to same terrorist ideology.
Peace
I have an idea Abu. Lets look at teh supposed influence of this one psychopath and see if anywhere, in Fjordman’s writings, in mine, at gates of Vienna or in any other site this man claims to have used as his influence, lets have a look and see if in any one of those sites you can find incitement to do anything close to what he did. Then, lets look at the Koran, hadiths and Suna of Moe and see if they recommend the sort of actions we see from Muslims not once, but several times, and not once in all of time, but several times every single day.
Lets look for example, at just a few of the horrors commited by Muslims in the name of Islam today alone shall we? Just while you gloatingly try and stitch together a false equivalence here.
Yemen: Aden Suicide Bomber Was Al Qaeda Member
July 25, 2011
Turk Saad Mohammed Qulays al-Shahrani, the suicide bomber who killed nine soldiers in Aden, Yemen, was a Saudi national and an explosives expert for al Qaeda, a Yemeni Interior Ministry official said July 25, AFP reported, citing Saba.
Afghanistan: Jalalabad Airport Attacked
July 25, 2011
According to Bilal Sarwary, a BBC producer and journalist, an attack started July 25 when several rockets landed at Jalalabad Airport followed by an attack on the entrance of the airport by several armed men. The police chief’s office said the fighting has since stopped and that the armed attackers managed to flee the area after fighting for 30 minutes.
Pakistan: 24 Dead In Karachi In Latest Toll
July 25, 2011
Another 24 people were dead on July 24 in Pakistan’s Karachi, with more than 24 wounded in shootings and cases of arson throughout the city, The Nation reported. Some 45 have died in the last three days. Rival sectarian and ethnic groups exchanged fire, threw grenades and used rockets. Shiite group Majlis-i-Wahdatul Muslimeen said five of its members were shot in the last 24 hours; four members of its rival group, Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, also died.
And Abu, that is just SOME of what Muslims have done in the name of Islam today alone. Not all of it by any means. But some of it. You know, on the strength of this, I think that WLIL would be well within her rights to tell you to go take a flying….
Interestingly, not in any of your three posted examples do I find any reference to Qur’an or Sunnah.
However it is the Norwegian was fighting a “crusade” in his own mind, against the government and Muslims.
I am very sad and sorry that MANY innocent people have died and have been injured in that terrible Christian Terrorist attack, but am only glad about one thing, is that radicalism and terror is well within Christian and other non-Muslim societies.
As a matter of fact, if you wish Eeyore, we may draw a timeline, a historical one, and see how many people have Muslims killed, versus the number of how many people died at the hands of non-Muslims!
Thanks for narrowing down to us who WLIL is, I will wait for “her” two cents, because I have some very educative material from the King James Bible for “her.”
Peace!
Also, please check the EUROPOL study and the amount of terrorist activity!!
I checked your three references two of them classify as the attacks against a military installation and or use, one classifies as ‘political killings.’
My offer still stands.
Ahmed, another of your irrational extreme accusation that have no foundation or basis or facts. It is weird why you never mention those really nasties islamics around the world who were out on the streets with their hate filled islamic rants. Their attitude and your islamic attitude is certainly not peaceful. In fact it is your hateful islamic ideology under the guise of peace that is most disturbing. It seems that you are bent on continuing to terrorise me with false accussation. I have to protest against you verbally terrorising me and harrassing me with your typical islamic lies, nastiness and nonsense. I already told you I am not interested in any religon or ideology. As I have said it had been a waste of time talking to you because you have nothing rational to contribute to and you twisted and turned what I said just because I criticised islamic people and islamic culture. If anything, you just reinforced what bad people islamics tend to be when us nonbelievers opposed your islamic horrible culture.
And of course, typical islamic intolerant nasty bullies like ahmed will have to find something to accuse me an innocent nonbeliever with, due to his or her islamic disagreement with my nonbeliever views with regard his or her or their horrible islamic culture/ideology. It just proved that his or her islamic culture/ideology is incompatible with our peaceful nonbelievers way of life.
I never heard about christian fundamentalist terrorist that ahmed tried to push his or her unscrupulous and bizarre idea to me. If I do encounter it, I would read about it and form my own opinion and not be pushed around by unscrupulous people like ahmed who tried to accuse me all sorts, all in the name of trying to spread his or her already horribly manipulative islamic image or islamic lies.
furthermore, I think it unacceptable for islamic obssesed people like ahmed to go around irrationaly and falsely accusing people who opposed islamism.
Horrible…horrible me!!! 🙂
Never heard of Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism??? Where do you live? Under the rock?
Yeah, well, there is one to start off with, it is currently underway in Norway. Maybe you could remember Christian Terrorism and Genocide in Bosnia in the 90’s.
Or maybe and western terrorist invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and murder of over one million people, with prior imposed suffering through the aid embargo on Iraq for almost a decade and around 500,000 casualties as a result. How about one the initial Christian Terrorism in the form of the Crusades?
Yes, terrible and horrible me, how do I dare bring those things up?
How about you actually learn the terminology (as I have already attempted to teach you that there is no such thing as ‘islamics’ but Muslims) before you try to write?! Also I would like to enlighten you, there is no such thing or proper word as ‘islamism’ just so you know, but then again, I am starting to doubt your capabilty of learning because I have already corrected you about some words, and you still use the wrong ones. It is funny how you blame others for the mistakes yet you cannot even correct one simple word! 🙂
Yes, yes, I am a bully, just because I called you on your B/S and challenged you NUMEROUS times and you, TYPICALLY people like yourself, and the West is full of you all, RUN AWAY from even attempting to answer any of my posed questions.
So far I assume, from what I have gathered from you, based on your poor English and utter ignorance is;
1. You are not even in the US, and if you are you are an immigrant!
2. You are very closed-minded.
3. You are very hate-filled.
4. You are ignorant, hence your fear to engage in actual intelligent dialogue.
5. You have no knowledge of any religion, especially of Islam.
6. You really don’t know what you want and what you support.
7. You cannot even back-up your claims against me with specific examples!
8. You are probably unemployed, and living off the state wellfare.
I am sure there will be some more things about you that may surface.
Peace!
Ahmed, it is none of your business where I live, you (another typical) horrible person. You are really a horrible person who can’t accept my criticism of islamic people. Of course you all islamics will whine and cry for help and then accuse people of criticising the misrules of islamic people or the problems that was caused by islamics. I very much object to your hate-filled rants. And of course I would never support horrible people like yourself who tried to spread nasty lies about me. In the first why are you bothered about my mere criticsm. Are you afraid that there would be many decent people who can see the truth about how horrible your islamic people tend to be and chose to support my opinions? I support my nonbeliever freedom and the freedom of many decent people who speak the truth. I know socalled knowlegable biased proislamic/islamic people like yourself only seek to trap me and imply all sorts because I dare to criticse islamic policies and horrible islamic people like yourself. You are not interested in real debate. You are only an ignorant intolerant supremacist islamics who tried to bully and challenge me to something just to intimidate me further and that is another typical nasty dirty tactics of islamics which I noted. Anyway, I am not talking about history or your horrible islamic history . I am talking about present misrules of islamics and the present horrible islamic infested environment . I am sure you will shamelessly bring up more lies just to prop up your old lies. And guess what there is no welfare in a horrible islamic ruled country where I live. I should not be afraid of islamic bullies like yourself. Anyway, I have suffered enough. You trying to provoke and misled me or other people about myself are not only unacceptable but when it is filled with irrational accusation without any foundation, it is just despicable.
Ahmed, finally, I would like you to stop advicing me on my written english and stop verbally harming me or implying all sorts of untruth about me. You have no right to correct my english, even if it needs correcting, because I definitely don’t need your so-called teaching skills and furthermore, I did not appoint you to be my teacher and it is your problem if you don’t understand what I said. You should realised that you are the one that intimidated me for criticising islamic culture and therefore you are the one that failed to promote an intelligent dialogue .
And of course pro-islamic or islamic vile people like ahmed want some untruth about myself to surface just to threaten me further or silence my anti-islamic speech.
So, where is the peace, justice and truth that islam boasted so much about?
First of all, WLIL, you cannot blame anyone else for not understanding you because you failed to communicate your point correctly and intelligently.
Secondly, you ask about peace and justice…etc.? Didn’t you come here bashing Islam from the get go? I can go ahead and copy and post your first post here on this site, and you will see who promoted injustice and intolerance. I merely gave you a dose of your own medicine to taste. As a matter of fact this is what I am going to do; I am going to print ALL of your and ALL of my posts from this site, put them side by side and let few of the people here (white Americans) read through them and decide who was more intolerant and hateful.
I cannot accpt Islamic criticizm? It is obvious not only that I have been accepting to it, but I even offered you a chance to further elaborate on it and prove your point. I called you on every point you brought forth to back it up and you could not, so it all equals to B/S.
You trapped your self in the wolrd of crap you have been spewing here on the net. I gave you opportunity to speak out freely, debate, even to organize PUBLIC debate and you are scared of it.
You are accusing me of trying to intimidate you, yet you call yourself truthful and decent? Well, truthful and decent people with all the facts in their hands do not get intimidated.
Anyway, I will let you sit on it for a while, you horrible “unislamics” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
This is getting better every day!
Oh yes, one more thing. I was right then when I correcly profiled you not to be in the US then! That brings me to the second point; this site was created to promote intolerance against Muslims in the US, more specifically against the building of the mosque in the M-boro area. I have come to know that most of non-Muslim posters here do not even live in the US, let alone in M-boro area. Again, putting your noses into someone else’s business! 🙂
WLIL, you make my eyebrows raise more and more with utter astonishment with each and every one of your posts.
The fact is that I would have thought you where laughable before I became Muslim, and I think that you are laughable, now.
In all of your noise you have done nothing but spew out ignorant hate filled rants, and then you have the nerve to whine and call your self a victim when you are challenged.
oh poor me, poor me, poor me.
How dare those Islamics pick on me like that just because I was honest and told them that they all suck?!!!!
How dare they BULLY ME LIKE THAT? 🙁
It just isn’t fair, being asked to explain myself.
Isn’t it just so awful how I am being terrorized MERCILESSLY by the evil Islamic Abu who want to make me afraid by asking me to explain myself!!!!
I should be allowed to spew out like this, and hateful, evil Islamic should not be allowed to question me!!!
We have so cruelly twisted your words around and made evil, evil assumptions about you because we are Islamic nasties
Oh dear
Ofcourse, your telling us that we are basically violent lunatics, merely calm on the surface, walking around filled with intolerance and plans to annihilate the people around us is not an assumption, at all.
I guarantee you that if you were to run that one about me by EVERY SINGLE PERSON in my life from my best friends to the people walking by me in the streets would laugh themselves sick and offer you a trip to the psych ward.
You could start off with one of my friends, Kelsang, who is a very devout Tibetan Buddhist
You have not brought in one concrete example, not one, to back up your point
You have not brought in one real argument, not one, to back up your point
And all you can do when requested to do so is whine, cry, and be a victim.
Poor me.
I have know people like you, who go around starting things and then sit there and holler when anything happens back to them, completely full of fury and incomprehension at other people’s reactions, and unable to hold a logical discussion.
But these people were two years old
Truly, truly laughable
STOP THIS MOSQUE FROM BEING BUILT! What would just 250 muslim families need with a 53,000 square foot Islamic center and mosque unless there were plans to bring in hundreds of more muslims into the Bible belt of the south? If the people of Murfreesboro allow this mosque to go forward, they do so at their OWN peril.
Very good question indeed “huntergreen.”
Maybe what takes place in UK may shed light on what is taking place in the US.
Here is an article about the UK: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
Someone mentioned to me that on average 11,000 Americans become Muslims yearly. I am not sure of the exact number, but will check on it as soon as I can find reliable source.
As the truth of Islam spreads so will the communities increase in numbers, as has ours. I myself am white, and a Muslim revert. By the way, I am also in Law Enforcement, and have very good relationship in my community with people of all backgrounds and faiths.
We do however have a division dealing purely with various hate crimes, and a liason with the FBI dealing with same issues, since the hate crimes now carry heavy punishments. Actually, every religious organization is closely monitored.
I hope I answered your question “huntergreen.”
Abu Ahmed Abdullah
ABU
YOU”RE WHITE?!!!
REALLY?!!!
Where are you from, Sweden?
🙂
Alhamdulillah!
John;
I looked over the two links you posted on this site and I hate to have to burst your bubble but all those accusations on the site have been either fully explained or refuted. Funny that so many have been cut righ in half and never finished, nor the contexts correctly explained.
Secondly, many of the quotes on one of the links quote what an “Iranian” court or judge did or said. Tell me, what status does Shia version of “Shariah” hold in Islamic scholarly world?
Thirdly, and to me most importantly, why are you affraid to face verses from your own book you claim to follow?
You see, I am not affraid to say that we, unlike most of you HYPOCRITE Christians, do live according to what we believe. We are not affraid neither ashamed of what and who we are. I strongly believe and stand behind that Shariah, if and when properly applied, can drastically change the world into better place.
I will not make many references on the “version” of Shariah presented on the site you posted, because as I have said before, almost all of those points have been refuted, or properly explained.
Also, as I have said before, there is not one country in the world which goes 100% by Shariah, so, I do not expect US to be that way either.
Amazingly, in your “objective” research on the net, you failed to mention one authoritative Islamic source dealing with the Sharia, and various aspects of it. Who do you think you are fooling?
Anyway, I hope I have explained my point on the issue.
Salam!
Alhamdulillahi Rabb ‘il Alameen
JAMES, my friend, here is something you and your friends may wanna read. You posted the link about top 10 reasons why Shariah is bad for all societies…etc.
Here is a rebuttal to that by brother Bassam Zawadi;
http://www.load-islam.com/printarticle.php?artical_id=814§ion=memberbase&subsection=myarticle
Anyway, I hope you will enjoy reading it as you did the other one, but I actually doubt it. 🙂
Salam
JOHN
I am so sorry that I completely missed your post from way back when, and only found it scrolling up to look for the links that my very respected brother Abu mentioned in his post to you.
Regarding your not at all sarcastic request to buy my car 🙂
I regret to say that I do not have a car for you to purchase
Nor do I drive
But it is not for religious reasons, it is because of other things, that I am not going to get into here.
However, if you go to Pakistan, Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE, Oman, Yemen, Kuwait, Egypt, Morocco, Indonesia, Malaysia…….I am sure that you will find plenty of Muslim women who do drive who would be more than happy to negotiate a car sale with you.
I am actually not aware of any other Muslim majority country that makes it illegal for women to drive, outside of Saudi Arabia.
Also, I had a peek at your links regarding Shariah
WOW
Nice try, but no cigar
Kind of reminded me of the National Enquirer
Please go for something with a little less sensationalism
And a little more in the way of actual scholarly backing along with COMPLETE evidence from Quran and Sunnah
Not the same old tired refrains like
a woman’s testimony counts for only half of a man’s
I mean, where does that even come from?
Salam
The area that the Mosque is being built on is also an area that wild hogs freely roamed and deficated on for hundreds of years??? I believe that if you check on it there were also a few small hog farms there once too. Is that not a bad place to build for Muslums??? I believe so. I also believe that most of the North American was roamed freely for hundreds if not thousands of years by hogs.
Anne M, it is no laughing matter when you all islamic people are denying disadvantaged nonbelievers like myself from having any decent life or from having a better quality of life due to no thanks to your horrible islamic misrules, islamic bad vibes, islamic horrible infested environment, islamic unfairness and islamic bad interference. You and Ahmed can laugh all you want at your own sick joke and spread your hateful nonsense as much as you like but hopefully us nonbelievers don’t end up as victim of your two faced islam. I find islamic intolerance and islamic unfair imposition disgusting and fed-up of living in islamic infested dominated environment, even if they allowed driving for women. And now you are boasting about your buddhist friend or whatever friends and perhaps anyone that buy your islamic imposition nonsense. What next. I guess you would also not stop boasting about your islamic cruelty or islamic sharia, even if you end up as a victim of islam. Or would it be too late for you to do anything, when islamic woman like you that start to cry only when islam start affecting your socalled good life as an islamic woman? You all islamic women and islamic men just like to shamelessly boast about your socalled superior sharia moral which is immorally oppressive and which is definitely no better than us nonbelievers.
Anne M, just because you are proud of your islamic status, that does not give you the right to heap your islamic endless verbal abuse or blatantly and shamelessly display your islamic irrational arrogance or insult me personally on this blogsite.
And Anne M, you are the one that need psychiatric help. You are the one that painted me as a victim and what not and implying erroneously that I tried to claim victim status, when I was only critcising islamic people and islamic culture in general.
What a despicable manipulative pro- islamic traits that I find it so commonly repulsive in various blogsites.
And, Anne M, I thought you were kind enough to retyped some of my comment though in an haphazard manner, to correct your mistakes, even though you ended it with a sactastic tone. But, alas, it was just another of your irrrational mad islamic attempt to run me down and twisted and turned what I said, even though I never claim victim status, even though it was you and ahmed that deviously tried to victimise me.
Anne M, if both you and ahmed are not hypocrites, both of you certainly were most irrationally abusive. What is the point of debating about anything with both of you, when I already noted there is something rotten with your horrribly extreme typical
pro-islamic /islamic attitude.