Lindsay Graham delivers warning of direction of US politics

This is a great example of how a person can be right and wrong at the same time.

If we, the right, start to use the same tactics as they do, then they win as their plan is to destroy our system altogether. If we lose all sense of fairness and an attempt to find the best people for their important jobs and become simply a kind of football hooligan, doing violence on behalf of our team, it’s all over.

At the same time, if these tactics succeed by the left, and conservatives continue to play fair, it appears that conservatives will lose forever.

But if they start playing dirty, they are no longer conservatives.

I wonder what Abe Lincoln would suggest under these circumstances?

H/T EB.

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31 Replies to “Lindsay Graham delivers warning of direction of US politics”

  1. Vlad

    You identify the quandary decent people are faced when dealing with the Democratic party activists that seem to have lost all decency. If the decent remain handcuffed by decency, and if the left wons, they will do anything, and we all lose.

    Consider what you would have done to stop leftists Mao or Stalin of you had known the evil they would perpetrate – of such magnitude that it makes the Nazis blush

    I would rationalize, that sometimes one has to fight fire with even greater fire, till the fire is extinguished.

    • Don’t you mean two republics? One slave owning and one not.
      A strong central government, the ideal of the left/democrats, only came about under Lincoln after the rebs opened fire and stared the civil war and it came about by the mass organization necessary to win that war. He certainly had NO intention of maintaining such tight control post-war but we all know why he failed.

  2. https://youtu.be/-cLxvo0Dazw

    I repost this originally posted by Coram Deo. If true, it means that the NSA and deep state actors have everyone except the most virtuous and courageous in a potential blackmail grip. It means the leader of the western world, and freedom, may be Kennedy’d if he does not acquiesce to their wishes. Which would then leave the rest of us who are not of the left to ponder our lot. Which means civil war is almost certain.

    I hope my logic is flawed.

    • No your logic isn’t flawed, I spent most of the day waiting to talk to some people at the VA (not a health problem) others were waiting and we started talking, when I told them about the commies openly talking rebellion and assissnation the most common statement was.”Don’t they realize the hell they will break loose if they start killing politicians who disagree with them?” My answer was no they don’t, they think that because we didn’t riot under Obama we will step back to avoid trouble.

      Civil war is the most probable future of all Western Nations, a long nasty bloody asymmetric civil war that will destroy what is left of Western Civilization, and possible most of the remaining rule of law. The thing is we can rebuild the Republics and Civilizations and the rule of law if enough of us continue to believe in freedom. We must keep the idea of freedom and rule of law alive even when the rule of law isn’t evenly applied.

      Crunch time is approaching and the civilized people are going to have to learn to act like the Barbarians, we will have to do this to survive and we will have to remember how to act civilizaed if the coming Dark Age isn’t a very long and dark Dark Age.

  3. That is the dilemma. Play fair and lose or….It’s the same situation in the UK w.r.t Islam. The only way the UK can be saved now is by some sort of forced repatriation of millions of Muslims, which would contravene every notion of fairness most native Brits possess…however if they do not do this , they lose their country. I think I understand what Graham is getting at and he is right.

    • I thought that was a good article but I take issue with part of it. That is that the foot soldiers aren’t paid. Some are most certainly are paid. I have seen ads and emails to that effect. In the case of the disruptors at the Kavenaugh hearing they were not only paid but bailed if they were arrested.

      • Yes a lot of their foot soldiers were paid, this fact isn’t going to help us or hurt them, we are entering a time period when everyone who wants to survive is going to have to look around inside their heads and find the big switch that says Survive. You then throw that switch and let you instincts guide you on how to keep from being murdered by the Barbarians that the Far Left have let into the city.

  4. Graham to Audience: ‘Boo Yourself,’ ‘Kavanaugh Was Treated Like Crap’

    Wednesday at the Atlantic Festival in Washington D.C., Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) commented on President Donald Trump mocking the testimony of Christine Blasey Ford against Supreme Court associate justice nominee Brett Kavanaugh last night during a rally in Mississippi.

    Graham said, “President Trump went through a factual rendition something I don’t particularly like. I would tell him knock it off. It can be worse. You can kill somebody’s cat and puncture out their tires to get them to shut up.”

    When the interviewer didn’t understand his comments, Graham said, “You don’t remember Kathleen Willey or Juanita Broaddrick. I do.”

    Graham said, “The point is we have come a long way. Wait a minute, whether you like it or not I really don’t care. I have seen what happened to these women in 1998 that came forward. I don’t like what the president said last night. I’m the first person to say, I want to hear from Dr. Ford. I thought she was handled respectfully. I thought Kavanaugh was treated like crap.”

    As the audience booed, Graham said, “Well, boo yourself.”

    + video

    https://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/10/03/graham-to-audience-boo-yourself-kavanaugh-was-treated-like-crap/

  5. “I wonder what Abe Lincoln would suggest under these circumstances?”
    You cannot turn the other cheek to fanatics. You must mark a line and when they cross it you must crush them. That has SFA to do with Right or Left but everything to do with survival. If you wish to keep Judaeo-Christian morality you must fight to do so and war has a habit of shifting the barriers of morality, if temporarily, for democracies.

    • People talk about Abe Lincoln being so peaceful, what they don’t look at is that he was an Officer in the Militia during the Black Hawk War, was President during the bloodiest war the US has fought (to date the coming civil war may be bloodier) and would personally test new model Rifles and Pistols to ensure they were safe for the troops. Lincoln looked long and hard to find Generals who would fight and when the found Grant and Sherman he turned them loose.

      What would Lincoln suggest, he would save the Republic, no matter how long or bloody the war he would save the Republic.

  6. Abraham Lincoln
    Speech at Lewistown, Illinois – August 17, 1858

    Excerpt:

    LINCOLN ON THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

    I cannot close this letter without giving your readers a passage from Mr. Lincoln’s noble and impressive apostrophe to the Declaration of Independence. This was truly one of the finest efforts of public speaking I ever listened to. It gave to his auditors such an insight into the character of the man as ought to carry him into the Senate on a great surge of popular affection. In my poor opinion, Mr. Lincoln is not only one of the foremost men in the Northwest in the nobility and excellence of his character, the clearness and scope of his intellect, but the peer of any man who has sat in the Senate since the mighty shadows of Webster and Clay ceased to darken the threshold of the Capitol.

    The Declaration of Independence (said Mr. L.) was formed by the representatives of American liberty from thirteen States of the confederacy—twelve of which were slaveholding communities. We need not discuss the way or the reason of their becoming slaveholding communities. It is sufficient for our purpose that all of them greatly deplored the evil and that they placed a provision in the Constitution which they supposed would gradually remove the disease by cutting off its source. This was the abolition of the slave trade. So general was conviction—the public determination—to abolish the African slave trade, that the provision which I have referred to as being placed in the Constitution, declared that it should not be abolished prior to the year 1808. A constitutional provision was necessary to prevent the people, through Congress, from putting a stop to the traffic immediately at the close of the war. Now, if slavery had been a good thing, would the Fathers of the Republic have taken a step calculated to diminish its beneficent influences among themselves, and snatch the boon wholly from their posterity? These communities, by their representatives in old Independence Hall, said to the whole world of men: “We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” This was their majestic interpretation of the economy of the Universe. This was their lofty, and wise, and noble understanding of the justice of the Creator to His creatures. [Applause.] Yes, gentlemen, to all His creatures, to the whole great family of man. In their enlightened belief, nothing stamped with the Divine image and likeness was sent into the world to be trodden on, and degraded, and imbruted by its fellows. They grasped not only the whole race of man then living, but they reached forward and seized upon the farthest posterity. They erected a beacon to guide their children and their children’s children, and the countless myriads who should inhabit the earth in other ages. Wise statesmen as they were, they knew the tendency of prosperity to breed tyrants, and so they established these great self-evident truths, that when in the distant future some man, some faction, some interest, should set up the doctrine that none but rich men, or none but white men, were entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, their posterity might look up again to the Declaration of Independence and take courage to renew the battle which their fathers began—so that truth, and justice, and mercy, and all the humane and Christian virtues might not be extinguished from the land; so that no man would hereafter dare to limit and circumscribe the great principles on which the temple of liberty was being built. [Loud cheers.]

    Now, my countrymen (Mr. Lincoln continued with great earnestness,) if you have been taught doctrines conflicting with the great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence; if you have listened to suggestions which would take away from its grandeur, and mutilate the fair symmetry of its proportions; if you have been inclined to believe that all men are not created equal in those inalienable rights enumerated by our chart of liberty, let me entreat you to come back. Return to the fountain whose waters spring close by the blood of the Revolution. Think nothing of me—take no thought for the political fate of any man whomsoever—but come back to the truths that are in the Declaration of Independence. You may do anything with me you choose, if you will but heed these sacred principles. You may not only defeat me for the Senate, but you may take me and put me to death. While pretending no indifference to earthly honors, I do claim to be actuated in this contest by something higher than an anxiety for office. I charge you to drop every paltry and insignificant thought for any man’s success. It is nothing; I am nothing; Judge Douglas is nothing. But do not destroy that immortal emblem of Humanity—the Declaration of American Independence. [4]
    https://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln2/1:567?rgn=div1;view=fulltext

    “You Can Change the World” 1952 (Part 3 of 3)”
    7:52 – Abraham Lincoln – The Declaration of Independence

    • Potus-2 thanks you, EB, for bringing that gloss of Mr Lincoln’s to our attention.
      Potus-16 gets it just right.
      The Principles of the Declaration are crystal clear. The actualization took – is still taking – time.

      Now there’s a problem I can’t resolve in my mind, an inconsistency:
      If there’s no Creator, what makes the Rights we enjoy sacrosanct [“inalienable”]?

      By what authority do we claim freedom of association or the right to bear arms? ALL our cherished “Rights” are up for grabs.

      And grabbing them is the Agenda of the Adversary.

      The Adversary has an exceptionally enthusiastic and vocal constituency these days. Any contest between our side and his will NOT be resolved in the collegial manner to which we’ve grown accustomed.

      Shake hands with the Devil, for all the good THAT will do.

      • You do realize that you have worded your comment so well we can’t answer back without taking something away from the gems of wisdom you are presenting for us to read.

        Congratulations on a job well done.

        • Oh, ty, Richard.
          It’s the process of sorting things out with my imaginary playmate life-long friend and inspiration, Potus-2.

          More often than not, trying to apologize for the mess we’ve made. But all the guys Our Founding Fathers are impressed we’ve gotten this far.

          I just hate to have it fall apart on my watch.

  7. Related:
    “Evaluating George W. Bush”
    by Olavo de Carvalho – June 18, 2008

    Excerpt:

    From these six facts, I take two conclusions:
    a) He was the best chief of security the USA has ever had.
    b) He was the best president Iraq has ever had.

    It is an entirely different thing to judge him as president of the US. When he was elected in 2000, Republicans had all the conditions to win presidential elections for the next four decades, dismantle the conspiracy of the Democrats with the radical left, and heal the country according to the formulas consacrated by Ronald Reagan. After two presidential terms, not only he failed to do this, but has allowed his country to loose breath to the point of the permanence of Republicans in power being almost unfeasible .

    To blame this shame on the failure of the war in Iraq does not explain anything, it is pure deceitful leftist propaganda.

    George W. Bush has never failed in Iraq. His real failure was in the internal front. It started right after September, 11th. Taking the opportunity to denounce the Democrat collaboration with the left would make all trust in the left vanish and would have hygienized the American political atmosphere.

    Instead, he preferred to pretend his enemies were his friends, creating a fictional national unity against foreign attackers.

    The Democrats, bearing the patriot label Bush himself sticked on their foreheads, and armed with the prestige thus acquired, could stab in the back their own country, Army and president while people would not question for one second their deep-hearted good intentions.

    Running away from the confrontation his enemies – who were the enemies of the US – sought so much, Bush gave them strength. All the bravery he showed in leading the war, turned into cowardice in the internal fight. The result: his success is condemned as failure and his real failure cannot be confessed in public without triggering a thousandfold worse internal division. And although Bush wants to avoid this division, his adversaries assume it more and more, taking from it, against the US, the same advantages Bush should have taken for the US.
    George W. Bush took the wrong job. He is a great military commander, but he is not at all a politician.
    http://www.olavodecarvalho.org/evaluating-george-w-bush/

    Yearly archive for 2008 – English
    http://www.olavodecarvalho.org/2008/

  8. “The Kavanaugh Circus Is Collapsing: Swetnik Walks Back, Booker Goes Nuts, Grassley Letter” Styx – Published on October 3, 2018

  9. Seth Frantzman: Reports indicate ISIS has murdered a kidnapped Druze woman, the latest atrocity carried out by the far-right hate group that has sought to genocide minorities in the Middle East, comes after…

    ……Tweet Response……
    https://twitter.com/sfrantzman/status/1047508498232299520

    >> ISIS is far right?

    >> Seth [email protected] 8h8 hours ago
    Yes, #ISIS is far-right, it’s a religious extremist organization devoted to genocide of minorities. It’s always odd people think that groups like ISIS are on some other spectrum. It is the embodiment of every extreme right ideology rolled into one of the most heinous orgs

    >> @DianaMeijer1
    How did you come to the conclusion of a theological terroristic organisation being of a certain political colour?

    >>@sfrantzman Replying to @DianaMeijer1
    Because theocratic organizations are by definition on the far right. That’s what you’d call Christian-based politics in the West or Jewish right wing groups in Israel or Hindu nationalist groups in India. And also Muslim Brotherhood etc
    ========

    [Yucki] I’m less enthusiastic about Seth Frantzman than I was. He’s very, very solid, but doesn’t share my view of the world as consistently as his great mentor, Jonathan Spyer. Partly the difference is age, partly experience. Their biographies are amazing.

    • You make compromises to win and they are often unpleasant and seem unnecessary(cash cow India’s independence at a time when the UK was almost broke) but are vital to success in the long term. Lincoln’s decision as you state has been taken out of its time context. The North struggled badly in the first two years of the civil war until the attrition strategy set in.

  10. The question is not: “What would Abe Lincoln do?” Rather the question is: “What would Constantine do?”

    It’s perfectly acceptable to aggressively pursue victory against your enemies when they are liberals and satanists (but I repeat myself). The key is not for traditionalists to avoid breaking rules that the left does not adhere to… the key is for traditionalists to remember tradition and give glory to God. THAT is how we set ourselves apart from the left.

  11. You don’t necessarily have to use the same tactics the commies do but you can’t make the mistake that this isn’t war. Total war. Make no mistake, if they win you will either be murdered outright or you and your loved ones will die in a concentration camp. That is *not* hyperbole.

    Always remember that the only thing that matters in a street fight is who is still standing at the end. Is it better to die as a gentleman or gouge their eyes out, break their kneecaps, stove their head in with a pipe, and then scream with raised arms in righteous indignation over *their* corpse?

    One of the things that I hate about commies the most is that they make me start thinking like they do – out of necessity. Commies, like jihadis, are cult members who will never stop until they are utterly defeated. If folks opposed to the commie cult don’t have an an even greater fervor and determination to destroy their opponents, they will lose. People with a jihadi-like faith in their cause intent on imposing it on you are a difficult enemy to deal with. Whatever wrath it takes, no matter how brutal, they bring it down upon themselves, it is their own doing, and they deserve what they asked for.

    Also remember that one of Alinsky’s tenets was to make up rules that only your opponent would abide by and then hold them to it. Big mistake to fall into that trap. Think of the Rohingya. An alien, unassimilable, violent cancer who only understands one thing: overwhelming force. Does anybody besides the BBC actually believe that that Muslim cancer wouldn’t do the same thing the Burmese just did to them given the opportunity? No. The Burmese just told Islam to “get out and don’t come back” – and stripped of all of those Alinsky rules that only the BBC would abide by, they excised their century old Muslim infection. Now they’ll live happily ever after alongside the Christian and other minorities who were never a problem.

    The same determination is what is required when dealing with commie cult members. However you do it, it must be even more ruthless, more determined, and more unremitting than commies are until there is nothing left of their evil.

    If Americans really understood the menace they face, Soros and his entire family would have already gone for a Pinochet Helicopter Tour, along with his NGO minions, every last dime he ever had or distributed would have been seized, every state university would be shut down for an audit to be permanently cleansed of the commie tapeworms and termites posing as professors, the CPC & CBC would be on trial for sedition, and Her Thighness, Pelosi, Schumer, and Reid would already be in a supermax, never to be seen again. It’s that serious.

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