“I don’t know what to do!” How about, for starters, you and your fellow women (who voted disproportionately for handsome globalist Trudeau) stop voting for your own debasement via mass Muslim immigration? Just a thought.
As to the people on the train doing nothing – sad but not surprising: Canadians, by and large are polite, smiling wimps. The people were afraid both of the Muslims beating them up and of the authorities turning on them (M103 is the clearest statement of the group the empowered in our society – government, police, academia, media – favors, so we all know whose side they would take in any “incident”). Therefore, doing nothing and staring resolutely at the ground while hoping fervently not to catch the eye of the Muslim savages was the best option. And your stop is coming up in a minute, anyway….
Canada will stick its neck out for the Islamic axe as easily, politely, quietly and without a fuss, as France and Sweden are doing. And our turn has arrived.
In a talk in Ottawa Saturday, Jordan Peterson revealed that women desire dangerous men that they can tame.
It is my observation that women are more collectivist than men.
So women collectively tamed Western men, lost interest in them, then voted in new and more dangerous ones.
Once I had a conversation with a Muslim who I was 100% certain had become a terrorist.
With all I know about it, I still did not inform the authorities. It would have likely destroyed my life.
A year later he was arrested and is in jail now on terrorism charges as it played out. Fortunately before he did any physical harm.
Women have much more than equality before the law today. Just like Muslims. So non-muslim males may not feel they should do anything as there is no way to know how that will play out afterwards. Will the law attack him? Will the woman for the condescending act of the man (once she is safe) for making her feel like she can’t handle the situation herself?
Why would any individual man interfere in a process in which all possible options lead do a bad end?
My guess is that there is something like that going on (that is, women desiring “dangerous” men having feminized much of Western males) but that that is just one aspect of the explanation: it must be rather more complicated, I would think.
With regard to the non-Muslim males not wishing to defend Western women, yes, that makes sense: I think that I have read accounts of Swedish men literally saying stuff along the lines of “Why should we defend women when not only will we not be thanked for it, we will be attacked and vilified for doing so?”
But if at least some women, whether at a primal or unconscious level, or otherwise, wish for dangerous men to “tame”, I guess they’re in for a real treat in the next few years and decades. Be careful what you wish for, mesdames, as the saying goes.
“women desiring ‘dangerous’ men having feminized much of Western males”
It goes well beyond this already disgusting bit of emotional calculus. Modern Western (read: Caucasian) men who have not become feminized are immediately crucified for having started all conflicts since the Civil War. By the (low-voltage) lights of these Womyn, we also are responsible for all environmental damage, the invention of corruption, any oppression of women worldwide, and whatever other agenda item that opportunely aligns with their misandrist, pseudo-theory of “testosterone poisoning“.
Contrary to their much-vaunted declarations of “liberation”, far too many modern women still ardently subscribe to the miserable trope of, “If he really loves me, he’ll change for me!” As though a good, honest, and faithful man needs any changing. None of which addresses how rewarding one of these “bad boys” with love sends an incontrovertible message these cretin that their (mis)behavior works and, therefore, does not need any changing.
Of course, Muslim men need “changing” in so many ways (their diapers, to begin with)! What a challenge. Only after converting to Islam and getting their RDA of physical abuse does it begin to dawn upon them that theirs may not have been the best decision. Still, “If it doesn’t hurt, it can’t be love.” So all of that physical pain must mean she’s struck relationship gold.
I’ll stop now in order to avoid vomiting.
This is a very good description of what has happened, for an example of this look at the way the women in the big cities flock to the gun control groups. They want the men to be disarmed and helpless but then demand that we protect them.
There are still men who will protect them but for the most part they don’t live around the cities and the vocal women seem to hate the men who live outside of the big cities.
Oh so the girls/women have done this to themselves?! What a lame excuse for wimps. Women wanted to be valued and respected members of society – that’s all. Women don’t want to tame anyone; what are you an ape? Or are you into trashy men’s mags that tell you this imaginary wisdom on how to treat women so they’re “obsessed” with you? (Which is every man dream). SO WRONG! They are trashy mags for a reason.
Did you know that Muslims rape men also? Muslims rape boys too. If you see a little girl about 6 being raped by a Muslim men – or sexually harraased, are you going to blame her because she is a girl? Will you blame your cowardly self preservation on that six year old girl?!
Mate; I’m a female and I would not think twice about kicking those sick perverse Muslims up the backside with a sharp stick; for her or for you. I may get injured in my efforts; even killed (because of all the cowards that surround me) BUT I COULD NOT STAND THERE AND DO NOTHING LIKE YOU WINGING WIMPS.
Sara, take no notice of these winging wimps. You are not the problem – Islam is. I’ve never been one for high heels myself; but the right kind can come in handy (if you catch my drift). Try to travel with a friend, or befriend someone on the train/s if possible. Take a photo of any harassers on the train with your phone. Get the phone numbers of the train stations your train passes or goes through call the next train station (time permitting/estimated) and report them while on the train before the stop, even send a photo if possible. I could go on and on; but I’m just brainstorming ideas in hope that one may be useful. May Jesus Christ bless you Sara and protect you against the Jinn (Muslims).
I agree with you, Therese, There are a lot of generalizations here in the comments about women and feminists, but the true blame should be aimed squarely at the men who harassed and assaulted a lone female – and at the other nearby passengers who refused to help. This is absolutely not the fault of women or feminists. Any observer, male or female, who has an ounce of integrity should have spoken up.
There’s a lot of amateur psychology going on in these comments too. I know that Jordan Peterson is an expert but can he back up his claims? Even if valid, his claim that women choose dangerous men “to tame” has no relevance here. This is the case of a lone female at the mercy of predatory men – and we blame women?
What Sarah should do is immediately notify the TTC and the police. I know that would take courage but she’s already shown she has that by speaking out as she has. I know the alternative media will cover this, but the mainstream media might not. Now, if Sarah had been wearing a headscarf . . .
“Not loyal to the tribe”?
Jewish descent is matrilineal. It ALL depends on the women. They’re the ones who must pass that identity – values, traditions, history, culture – together with their DNA on to their offspring. When the mother is “disloyal to the tribe,” that’s it. The end of the line.
The father is the example for his sons; they want to be like Dad. Or sorta, anyway. Maybe without the foreign accent. Grandpa leading the Passover Seder, bar mitzvah, candies thrown from cute girls in the balcony on Sabbath mornings.
With loving parents, boys will choose life as they’ve known it. In the Tribe. If a son marries out, that’s the end of the line as a Jew. That’s just the way it is.
So it has been for more than 4,000 years. We lose many, many. More in some times than in others. Though this Diaspora generation is 75-80% self-annihilating, redemption is upon us. The population majority has now shifted to the Promised Land.
These loses hurt, sure they do. But when Jews go Kapo they enrage, even worse when they harm gentle gentiles in our name. Bearing false witness, that’s the real blasphemy. Nothing could be more vicious than incitement of hatred. When it’s from within your own family, the shame is ineffable.
But we can’t say we haven’t been warned. Not only Jeremiah and Isaiah, but admonishment is a constant refrain in every prayer, every observance.
The Bible says “only a remnant” will survive. Yet that will be sufficient to merit and witness the “Ingathering of the Exiles” [and the coming of the Messiah].
Speedily and in our days. Amen.
Yes. The true blame is on the people who did the thing in question. But please understand that men in the West are tired of being blamed for action and inaction. Consideration and inconsideration. Marxist groups masquerading as feminist groups, have successfully disheartened men and masculinity, and quite on purpose, to the point where men have groups like MIGTOW. A group I sympathize with but feel its more a symptom than a solution. Marriage, far from being a life time commitment for comfort in age and understanding in life, has become a way for men to hand over all their accumulated work to a woman who hates them and won’t let them see their children.
That is a major league corporation who used to count on sentimentality to sell its products, like CocaCola used to do, now realizing the smart money is in misandry.
Watch that commercial and tell me if you would be married if that is the modern women, and tell me if you would risk a beating or jail to save a strange woman on a train.
That is, save from humiliation and not from any physical harm.
But yes in fact the real blame is on the people who did this molestation and on the people who knowingly brought them into Canada and make sure all news of these activities is suppressed.
(The word I was looking for was Nostalgia as much as sentimentality)
Eeyore, I also blame the women who observed this assault and did nothing to stop it – my blame is not aimed just at the men. I know that it can be dangerous to intervene but in a crowded subway car one might reasonably expect a bit of support. Once when I lived in Turkey I intervened when I saw a young woman being beaten in the street by her husband, with the family standing by with what seemed to be approval. I waved my cell phone around with threats in English to call the police. I didn’t speak Turkish and the muscular husband didn’t speak English – but we understood each other. He smirkingly desisted, probably bemused at my quaintness in trying to protect a fellow woman. When I look back and wonder at what made me intervene I realize that my level of outrage exceeded my normal reticence in foreign surroundings.
The subway passengers who were there when Sarah was assaulted could similarly have stopped these young men. It’s a question of their level of outrage versus their level of fear and/or complacency. Intervening is a stop-gap measure and doesn’t address the root of the problem but it’s the decent and human thing to do.
As for the chicken soup commercial, well, being a vegetarian I would ask for mushroom soup instead, but if my spouse left me ill on the couch with no soup, I’d chalk it up as one of his lesser sins and then get up and make it myself.
But I agree with you, Eeyore, that the type of behaviour endured by Sarah has been imported, is often excused, or under-reported, even covered up.
Very well said, Jen.
I agree with all of it.
Therese, if all women were like you, much of this discussion (or just about all of it) wouldn’t be happening.
Of far greater importance is the sad fact that too many modern Western women (especially in the USA) have been coddled by legislative shields that amount to unequal protection under the law. For instance, here in America—despite them being a slight majority—the Small Business Administration classifies women as minorities and gives them preferential funding opportunities. As another example, the mere accusation of battery or rape can see a man instantly jailed (on high bail) with little in the way of legal recourse.
And, please trust me, this isn’t whinging. None of us here would even consider blaming the victim. Yet, the lamentable fact remains that some portion of modern women have turned themselves into victims (professional or otherwise). I know this first-hand after watching my mother consign herself to a lifetime of poverty for the sake of virtue-signalling to her other Liberal friends.
For the nonce, I’ll refrain from ranting about how Hillary Clinton did more damage to the collective reputation of modern women than a dozen Germaine Greers. AlI ask is that you please consider how deeply frustrating it can be for men (like myself) who have always advocated gender equality, only to see it transformed into the misandrist agenda currently held by so many “liberated womyn“.
Yeah what he said.
What he said and this, 3 times I have been told off the record that I was the best qualified for a job but that thanks to a feminist in the office they had to hire a woman. I know all women aren’t supporting the groups that have cost me good paying jobs but I do know that if I try to help a woman there is a 50% chance that I will be the one that gets in trouble. Try knowing that and ask yourself if you would help a stranger?
Therese
Yes and no. You are right, majority of women wanted to be valued and respected members of society. However,the problem is that some of them took it further. By that I mean that modern feminists in the name of equality demean heterosexual family, do not like it when men treat them like women. At the same time they want to have privileges, in fact more privileges than the men have. So as a result men got more like women and women got more like men. Also with recent (historically speaking) cultural changes, with internet, with media, many men and women got more callous.
But I do not want to write about that.
The thing Paterson is talking about is that , in societies, women and men often choose exotic. Have you noticed how sometimes Western men go and marry Chinese? Or Korean? Or women from Thailand? And how they think them so beautiful?
The same is with men from Middle East who think blond women are beautiful. The same is true of some Western women who think people with darker skin are cute. It is partially genetic, people want to have children with someone different so the resulting children may be stronger, because the parents will not be closely related.
The problem is that these men from North Africa/ME usually will not marry blond, Western women and many think them whores, simply because of completely different cultural/religious/behavioral pattern. And that problem will not go, simply because presently in many countries there is no will to make them change their behaviour. .
BTW . I remember couple of years ago on the tram at Spadina I saw two Western/white men, drunk, accosting a small Chinese woman. They were using really bad words and she was sitting and looking miserable. I went and told them to stop. I was a little afraid, they were really large guys and I am small. But than nobody was doing anything, people were just looking. . So I thought someone has to do something. 😉
Good for you, Kathy.
Many self-described ‘feminists’ confuse “assertive” with “aggressive”. Rudeness serves to cover great gaps in their knowledge base.
The female maintenance worker in my building is not only incompetent, but always spoiling for a fight. She’s been here long enough to supervise most of the men, and they hate her. It embarrasses me to be around when she berates them.
Men: Whether feminists can be blamed for this or not is worse than irrelevant. It is an excuse for our inaction in confronting evil. Action based upon a proper moral foundation, right versus wrong, at times is needed even if there is a good chance that we will not be praised, may indeed be vilified, for taking such action.
Manhood is comprised of self-control and a clear moral compass. It’s time for Western men to reclaim these virtues, which are the birthright of men in the Judeo-Christian culture. Those punks should have been stopped cold. Man up!
Chatillon: “Whether feminists can be blamed for this or not is worse than irrelevant. It is an excuse for our inaction in confronting evil.” “Man up!”
PaulW: ““I don’t know what to do!”
“How about, for starters, you and your fellow women (who voted disproportionately for handsome globalist Trudeau) stop voting for your own debasement via mass Muslim immigration? Just a thought.”
The attitude: “suffer for your own actions” is masculine.
The “go on, you got to help them, you wimps,” is feminine.
Therefore, all Feminists should wear a spermburkha. This will protect them at the point they decide no means no. Because to them all men are jerks – they are not going to win any argument – where every small offence is micromanaged. You can’t compete with Jesus Christ. Just walk away.
The Narrow Way, as always, is between the two.
“The attitude: ‘suffer for your own actions’ is masculine. The ‘go on, you got to help them, you wimps,’ is feminine” –from Perfectchild
Your first assertions implies that the young woman in some way encouraged this attack. How? Your second assertion is simply wrong. I hope I would have done something had this happened in front of me and there’s not much feminine about me, especially my hairline.
In the Middle Ages when Europe was still Christian, the institution of chivalry called on knights to swear an oath to protect women and the weak, to seek justice, to live virtuously and to do this all without thought of thanks or the physical harm that might befall them. Your comments are disappointing in the extreme, falling far from that ideal.
The west needs Christian manhood to physically protect those who are physically assaulted and spiritually defend those who are under attack by Darkness, no matter how it might disguise itself.
Grow up. Man up. Step up.
IHS!
“Your first assertions implies that the young woman in some way encouraged this attack. How?”
It did not imply anything of the sort. This discussion was looking outside at the framework, as to how we arrived here, with Muslims On A Train.
To intervene between two Feminists, one self-identified with the female-form as superior, the other that they are superior to the female, is to put your own life and dependents in danger.
She might have said to reporters that it was her own fault, that she was not culturally sensitive enough. Be careful then. Socialism not only gives Preferences it also has a list of Thought Crimes that will make your intervention, on questioning, more punishable than the activity you tried to stop. And they may both turn on you, for they equally live preoccupied in the actions of the feminine and hate far more the masculine of individualism.
Islam is in the LGBTQ+ community. Every female feels them draw strength off from them too.
So what would I actually do, faced with the situation on a train?
The only certainty is would not “man up.” That is a tell so easy to read as a character weakness.
The next they wouldn’t see coming.
“In the Middle Ages when Europe was still Christian, the institution of chivalry called on knights to swear an oath to protect women and the weak, to seek justice, to live virtuously and to do this all without thought of thanks or the physical harm that might befall them. Your comments are disappointing in the extreme, falling far from that ideal.”
This is how females control their men. No person swears an oath. Your yes is your yes, your no is your no. You decide what you will do at every given moment. Any oath, to Muhammad or Angel is your enslavement.
We had been greeted by two witches of the Antichrist. The idolatry of a Dead Savior.
Witches?
Did I ever impose how women should behave and act by Heaven or Earth, Islam or Socialism?
“I was uncomfortable with my roommate being transgender,” said one of the women, Tracey, in a TV reporter from Canada’s Global News network. “He wants to become a woman, I mean that is his choice but when a man comes into a women’s shelter who still has a penis and genitals, he has more rights than we do,” Tracey said.”
Tracey whined of the inverse fair law,
To rob all the rich and give to the poor.
Sheltered from men she played as a whore
Found Islam and Trans were privileged more.
To PerfectChild and others, as they may be.
The issue here is, in my opinion, one of personal agency. I submit without reservation that men -and women for that matter- should have intervened in the incident on the subway train. Why? Because they were witnessing a gross violation, a terrible injustice. In order to recognize this one must have a moral compass. In order to act on this moral compass, one must have faith not only in the compass itself but its value to oneself, surpassing even one’s personal comfort and safety. Knowing what is right requires doing what is right. In this case, intervention. Don’t the TTC subway cars have emergency strips for just this purpose? How much would it take to press one?
You in particular and others here, it would seem, have missed this point entirely. Because quite some few women have misused their own personal agency to play the victim card, adopt bizarre counter-natural theories of femininity and attack natural masculinity doesn’t give men a free pass to stop being men, to ignore the plight of the weak at the hands of the evil. There are two mistakes that men can make in the face of this false femininity. They can become feminized themselves in the hope that they might receive feminine approval and receive sex as a reward or they can become neutered in their resentment. Neither of these paths shows much in the way of self-control or self-worth. Blame women all you want. Pander to them all you want. The result will be the same: Futility.
Instead, speak clearly, think clearly act clearly. Such behavior is a novelty in this society and may be unwelcome but there is no other worthy path. There is such a thing as honor. and in everyday life, indeed, your yes should be your yes. But in public proclamations, such as weddings, the taking of public office, the testimony in court, an oath to God affirms our collective devotion to truth. Such was the knight’s vow in the Middle Ages. You may not be a Christian so this may not be familiar to you. I encourage you to do some study on chivalry.
Women, I believe, don’t necessarily want dangerous men. They want strong men and may confound “dangerous” with “strong.” A few strong men, linking arms and protecting that woman from the Mohammedans, was all that was required. A few men shouting at those miscreants to stop would at least have been something. Even one man (or woman) pressing the emergency strip would have changed the scene. None of that happened. I read excuses…yours and others…and I am tempted to despair. But as a man I must not despair. I must stand up for what is right, even if I get knocked down. But that is my duty as a man.
IHS!
What the heck this is a fun thread and an interesting conversation so Ill go another round. Its not often I disagree with readers here enough to respond so, thanks for the stimulation.
There is a point I don’t see you addressing and that is the question of real cost benefit. you do address perceived cost benefit and that is usually the real basis for action. Therefore the way people feel is usually more important than what is, sadly.
Its a lot of the reason we have the problems we have today.
I, like you, think chivalry was a great system and culture. But that culture is basically illegal on a selective basis now.
For example, if men do act to protect a woman and later she or the law feels its in their advantage to charge those men with Islamophobia or some other aggression they will and the men, acting chivalrously, will suffer. More than is reasonable and for doing the right thing.
It isn’t like this doesn’t happen and in the most bizarre circumstances as well.
Also your example from the middle ages, while I relate to the romance and the practicality of that culture, can’t work because that is no longer the culture. A small group of men linking arms to protect a damsel in distress from a wanking group of muslim migrants will lead to a CBC TV piece about a racist white gang humiliating a poor migrant who was just trying to say hello to a nice Canadian girl.
Not a knighthood from the local land owner.
Its not about risking losing a fight. Its that the culture itself has changed.
I agree with pulling the emergency stop though. if he gets off fast enough and hides his face he MIGHT avoid the arrest and charges that follow that action for malicious mischief or whatever the criminal code is for abuse of an emergency stop.
For the Muslims however, this is a win win.
They get to do what they want, and eventually they force Western women into behaving like muslim women if they don’t want to be constantly harassed, groped and raped.
The law has removed reasonable application of the concept of agency it seems.
If a non-Muslim does something which can be interpreted as a crime, then we are guilty. If a Muslim does something criminal then its to be excused because they are Muslim and don’t have agency.
Come to think of it, the law pretty much does that with women as well. Chivalry and modern feminism seem to ride tandem in Western courts.
The man is always to blame in domestic situations, and therefore, the man must be the only one capable of making decisions.
That seems kinda medieval in some ways does it not?
So enough about agency. Clearly the law in the West now feels that only white males have it when its going to go badly for them, but everyone else does if its going to go badly for the white male.
“Clearly the law in the West now feels that only white males have it (coming) when its going to go badly for them, but everyone else does if its going to go badly for the white male.” –Eeyore
Precisely. The culture has changed. We need a counter-culture. And if white males are going to be marginalized anyway, there is nothing to lose in joining that counter-culture.
This is a ground-up process. I believe it was John Adams who noted that a democracy can flourish only so long as the people comprising that government remain virtuous. In which case I submit that this is why the West teeters on extinction. And is clear to everyone, this is war. There are going to be casualties.
It is a spiritual war even more than it is a physical war, thus spiritual armor is of primary importance. By now we all are aware enough to heap scorn on those who attribute Mohammedan violence to poverty and ignorance. Moslems are fully aware of what they are doing. The solution starts by being fully aware of what we are doing in response, and why. You cannot confront savages with a “civilization” of sybarites, katamites, diesel dykes and various dyspeptic types who can only offer “I-told-ya-sos.” You need Men. Men who know what the score is. Men who are willing to stand up for what is right and take the heat.
You ask of cost benefit for adopting an attitude of neo-chivalry. I offer these benefits and costs
Benefits
1) Despair is replaced with determination
2) The effects present themselves gradually but notwithstanding immediately from adopting them
3) The effects are visible and may encourage others of like mind
4) A chivalrous attitude sharpens one’s view of the motivations of one’s self and the motivations of others. One increases in humility and discernment, two virtues that are altogether lacking in today’s “culture.”
5) This can be practised by ALL men, not just white men
6) This will benefit ALL people, not just white Christian males. It is the exact antithesis of sharia
7) It is a thing that can be done which depends only upon our own willingness to do it.
Costs
1) Censure
2) Potential imprisonment
3) Potential loss of livelihood
4) Potential injury or maiming
5) Potential death
Some soldiers survive a war. Some do not. But we’re all in this whether we want to be or not. To make matters worse, the enemy has infiltrated our governments and institutions. To top it off, few of us are obviously heroic. We’re mostly a bunch of Frodos. But that at least is something.
Hobbit up!
IHS!
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“I don’t know what to do!” How about, for starters, you and your fellow women (who voted disproportionately for handsome globalist Trudeau) stop voting for your own debasement via mass Muslim immigration? Just a thought.
As to the people on the train doing nothing – sad but not surprising: Canadians, by and large are polite, smiling wimps. The people were afraid both of the Muslims beating them up and of the authorities turning on them (M103 is the clearest statement of the group the empowered in our society – government, police, academia, media – favors, so we all know whose side they would take in any “incident”). Therefore, doing nothing and staring resolutely at the ground while hoping fervently not to catch the eye of the Muslim savages was the best option. And your stop is coming up in a minute, anyway….
Canada will stick its neck out for the Islamic axe as easily, politely, quietly and without a fuss, as France and Sweden are doing. And our turn has arrived.
In a talk in Ottawa Saturday, Jordan Peterson revealed that women desire dangerous men that they can tame.
It is my observation that women are more collectivist than men.
So women collectively tamed Western men, lost interest in them, then voted in new and more dangerous ones.
Once I had a conversation with a Muslim who I was 100% certain had become a terrorist.
With all I know about it, I still did not inform the authorities. It would have likely destroyed my life.
A year later he was arrested and is in jail now on terrorism charges as it played out. Fortunately before he did any physical harm.
Women have much more than equality before the law today. Just like Muslims. So non-muslim males may not feel they should do anything as there is no way to know how that will play out afterwards. Will the law attack him? Will the woman for the condescending act of the man (once she is safe) for making her feel like she can’t handle the situation herself?
Why would any individual man interfere in a process in which all possible options lead do a bad end?
My guess is that there is something like that going on (that is, women desiring “dangerous” men having feminized much of Western males) but that that is just one aspect of the explanation: it must be rather more complicated, I would think.
With regard to the non-Muslim males not wishing to defend Western women, yes, that makes sense: I think that I have read accounts of Swedish men literally saying stuff along the lines of “Why should we defend women when not only will we not be thanked for it, we will be attacked and vilified for doing so?”
But if at least some women, whether at a primal or unconscious level, or otherwise, wish for dangerous men to “tame”, I guess they’re in for a real treat in the next few years and decades. Be careful what you wish for, mesdames, as the saying goes.
“women desiring ‘dangerous’ men having feminized much of Western males”
It goes well beyond this already disgusting bit of emotional calculus. Modern Western (read: Caucasian) men who have not become feminized are immediately crucified for having started all conflicts since the Civil War. By the (low-voltage) lights of these Womyn, we also are responsible for all environmental damage, the invention of corruption, any oppression of women worldwide, and whatever other agenda item that opportunely aligns with their misandrist, pseudo-theory of “testosterone poisoning“.
Contrary to their much-vaunted declarations of “liberation”, far too many modern women still ardently subscribe to the miserable trope of, “If he really loves me, he’ll change for me!” As though a good, honest, and faithful man needs any changing. None of which addresses how rewarding one of these “bad boys” with love sends an incontrovertible message these cretin that their (mis)behavior works and, therefore, does not need any changing.
Of course, Muslim men need “changing” in so many ways (their diapers, to begin with)! What a challenge. Only after converting to Islam and getting their RDA of physical abuse does it begin to dawn upon them that theirs may not have been the best decision. Still, “If it doesn’t hurt, it can’t be love.” So all of that physical pain must mean she’s struck relationship gold.
I’ll stop now in order to avoid vomiting.
This is a very good description of what has happened, for an example of this look at the way the women in the big cities flock to the gun control groups. They want the men to be disarmed and helpless but then demand that we protect them.
There are still men who will protect them but for the most part they don’t live around the cities and the vocal women seem to hate the men who live outside of the big cities.
Oh so the girls/women have done this to themselves?! What a lame excuse for wimps. Women wanted to be valued and respected members of society – that’s all. Women don’t want to tame anyone; what are you an ape? Or are you into trashy men’s mags that tell you this imaginary wisdom on how to treat women so they’re “obsessed” with you? (Which is every man dream). SO WRONG! They are trashy mags for a reason.
Did you know that Muslims rape men also? Muslims rape boys too. If you see a little girl about 6 being raped by a Muslim men – or sexually harraased, are you going to blame her because she is a girl? Will you blame your cowardly self preservation on that six year old girl?!
Mate; I’m a female and I would not think twice about kicking those sick perverse Muslims up the backside with a sharp stick; for her or for you. I may get injured in my efforts; even killed (because of all the cowards that surround me) BUT I COULD NOT STAND THERE AND DO NOTHING LIKE YOU WINGING WIMPS.
Sara, take no notice of these winging wimps. You are not the problem – Islam is. I’ve never been one for high heels myself; but the right kind can come in handy (if you catch my drift). Try to travel with a friend, or befriend someone on the train/s if possible. Take a photo of any harassers on the train with your phone. Get the phone numbers of the train stations your train passes or goes through call the next train station (time permitting/estimated) and report them while on the train before the stop, even send a photo if possible. I could go on and on; but I’m just brainstorming ideas in hope that one may be useful. May Jesus Christ bless you Sara and protect you against the Jinn (Muslims).
I agree with you, Therese, There are a lot of generalizations here in the comments about women and feminists, but the true blame should be aimed squarely at the men who harassed and assaulted a lone female – and at the other nearby passengers who refused to help. This is absolutely not the fault of women or feminists. Any observer, male or female, who has an ounce of integrity should have spoken up.
There’s a lot of amateur psychology going on in these comments too. I know that Jordan Peterson is an expert but can he back up his claims? Even if valid, his claim that women choose dangerous men “to tame” has no relevance here. This is the case of a lone female at the mercy of predatory men – and we blame women?
What Sarah should do is immediately notify the TTC and the police. I know that would take courage but she’s already shown she has that by speaking out as she has. I know the alternative media will cover this, but the mainstream media might not. Now, if Sarah had been wearing a headscarf . . .
“Not loyal to the tribe”?
Jewish descent is matrilineal. It ALL depends on the women. They’re the ones who must pass that identity – values, traditions, history, culture – together with their DNA on to their offspring. When the mother is “disloyal to the tribe,” that’s it. The end of the line.
The father is the example for his sons; they want to be like Dad.
Or sorta, anyway. Maybe without the foreign accent.Grandpa leading the Passover Seder, bar mitzvah, candies thrown from cute girls in the balcony on Sabbath mornings.With loving parents, boys will choose life as they’ve known it. In the Tribe. If a son marries out, that’s the end of the line as a Jew. That’s just the way it is.
So it has been for more than 4,000 years. We lose many, many. More in some times than in others. Though this Diaspora generation is 75-80% self-annihilating, redemption is upon us. The population majority has now shifted to the Promised Land.
These loses hurt, sure they do. But when Jews go Kapo they enrage, even worse when they harm gentle gentiles in our name. Bearing false witness, that’s the real blasphemy. Nothing could be more vicious than incitement of hatred. When it’s from within your own family, the shame is ineffable.
But we can’t say we haven’t been warned. Not only Jeremiah and Isaiah, but admonishment is a constant refrain in every prayer, every observance.
The Bible says “only a remnant” will survive. Yet that will be sufficient to merit and witness the “Ingathering of the Exiles” [and the coming of the Messiah].
Speedily and in our days. Amen.Yes. The true blame is on the people who did the thing in question. But please understand that men in the West are tired of being blamed for action and inaction. Consideration and inconsideration. Marxist groups masquerading as feminist groups, have successfully disheartened men and masculinity, and quite on purpose, to the point where men have groups like MIGTOW. A group I sympathize with but feel its more a symptom than a solution. Marriage, far from being a life time commitment for comfort in age and understanding in life, has become a way for men to hand over all their accumulated work to a woman who hates them and won’t let them see their children.
Have you seen the Campbell’s Soup commercial?
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/AYX0/campbells-soup-real-real-life-mom
That is a major league corporation who used to count on sentimentality to sell its products, like CocaCola used to do, now realizing the smart money is in misandry.
Watch that commercial and tell me if you would be married if that is the modern women, and tell me if you would risk a beating or jail to save a strange woman on a train.
That is, save from humiliation and not from any physical harm.
But yes in fact the real blame is on the people who did this molestation and on the people who knowingly brought them into Canada and make sure all news of these activities is suppressed.
(The word I was looking for was Nostalgia as much as sentimentality)
Eeyore, I also blame the women who observed this assault and did nothing to stop it – my blame is not aimed just at the men. I know that it can be dangerous to intervene but in a crowded subway car one might reasonably expect a bit of support. Once when I lived in Turkey I intervened when I saw a young woman being beaten in the street by her husband, with the family standing by with what seemed to be approval. I waved my cell phone around with threats in English to call the police. I didn’t speak Turkish and the muscular husband didn’t speak English – but we understood each other. He smirkingly desisted, probably bemused at my quaintness in trying to protect a fellow woman. When I look back and wonder at what made me intervene I realize that my level of outrage exceeded my normal reticence in foreign surroundings.
The subway passengers who were there when Sarah was assaulted could similarly have stopped these young men. It’s a question of their level of outrage versus their level of fear and/or complacency. Intervening is a stop-gap measure and doesn’t address the root of the problem but it’s the decent and human thing to do.
As for the chicken soup commercial, well, being a vegetarian I would ask for mushroom soup instead, but if my spouse left me ill on the couch with no soup, I’d chalk it up as one of his lesser sins and then get up and make it myself.
But I agree with you, Eeyore, that the type of behaviour endured by Sarah has been imported, is often excused, or under-reported, even covered up.
Very well said, Jen.
I agree with all of it.
Therese, if all women were like you, much of this discussion (or just about all of it) wouldn’t be happening.
Of far greater importance is the sad fact that too many modern Western women (especially in the USA) have been coddled by legislative shields that amount to unequal protection under the law. For instance, here in America—despite them being a slight majority—the Small Business Administration classifies women as minorities and gives them preferential funding opportunities. As another example, the mere accusation of battery or rape can see a man instantly jailed (on high bail) with little in the way of legal recourse.
And, please trust me, this isn’t whinging. None of us here would even consider blaming the victim. Yet, the lamentable fact remains that some portion of modern women have turned themselves into victims (professional or otherwise). I know this first-hand after watching my mother consign herself to a lifetime of poverty for the sake of virtue-signalling to her other Liberal friends.
For the nonce, I’ll refrain from ranting about how Hillary Clinton did more damage to the collective reputation of modern women than a dozen Germaine Greers. AlI ask is that you please consider how deeply frustrating it can be for men (like myself) who have always advocated gender equality, only to see it transformed into the misandrist agenda currently held by so many “liberated womyn“.
Yeah what he said.
What he said and this, 3 times I have been told off the record that I was the best qualified for a job but that thanks to a feminist in the office they had to hire a woman. I know all women aren’t supporting the groups that have cost me good paying jobs but I do know that if I try to help a woman there is a 50% chance that I will be the one that gets in trouble. Try knowing that and ask yourself if you would help a stranger?
Therese
Yes and no. You are right, majority of women wanted to be valued and respected members of society. However,the problem is that some of them took it further. By that I mean that modern feminists in the name of equality demean heterosexual family, do not like it when men treat them like women. At the same time they want to have privileges, in fact more privileges than the men have. So as a result men got more like women and women got more like men. Also with recent (historically speaking) cultural changes, with internet, with media, many men and women got more callous.
But I do not want to write about that.
The thing Paterson is talking about is that , in societies, women and men often choose exotic. Have you noticed how sometimes Western men go and marry Chinese? Or Korean? Or women from Thailand? And how they think them so beautiful?
The same is with men from Middle East who think blond women are beautiful. The same is true of some Western women who think people with darker skin are cute. It is partially genetic, people want to have children with someone different so the resulting children may be stronger, because the parents will not be closely related.
The problem is that these men from North Africa/ME usually will not marry blond, Western women and many think them whores, simply because of completely different cultural/religious/behavioral pattern. And that problem will not go, simply because presently in many countries there is no will to make them change their behaviour. .
BTW . I remember couple of years ago on the tram at Spadina I saw two Western/white men, drunk, accosting a small Chinese woman. They were using really bad words and she was sitting and looking miserable. I went and told them to stop. I was a little afraid, they were really large guys and I am small. But than nobody was doing anything, people were just looking. . So I thought someone has to do something. 😉
Good for you, Kathy.
Many self-described ‘feminists’ confuse “assertive” with “aggressive”. Rudeness serves to cover great gaps in their knowledge base.
The female maintenance worker in my building is not only incompetent, but always spoiling for a fight. She’s been here long enough to supervise most of the men, and they hate her. It embarrasses me to be around when she berates them.
Men: Whether feminists can be blamed for this or not is worse than irrelevant. It is an excuse for our inaction in confronting evil. Action based upon a proper moral foundation, right versus wrong, at times is needed even if there is a good chance that we will not be praised, may indeed be vilified, for taking such action.
Manhood is comprised of self-control and a clear moral compass. It’s time for Western men to reclaim these virtues, which are the birthright of men in the Judeo-Christian culture. Those punks should have been stopped cold. Man up!
Chatillon: “Whether feminists can be blamed for this or not is worse than irrelevant. It is an excuse for our inaction in confronting evil.” “Man up!”
PaulW: ““I don’t know what to do!”
“How about, for starters, you and your fellow women (who voted disproportionately for handsome globalist Trudeau) stop voting for your own debasement via mass Muslim immigration? Just a thought.”
The attitude: “suffer for your own actions” is masculine.
The “go on, you got to help them, you wimps,” is feminine.
Therefore, all Feminists should wear a spermburkha. This will protect them at the point they decide no means no. Because to them all men are jerks – they are not going to win any argument – where every small offence is micromanaged. You can’t compete with Jesus Christ. Just walk away.
The Narrow Way, as always, is between the two.
“The attitude: ‘suffer for your own actions’ is masculine. The ‘go on, you got to help them, you wimps,’ is feminine” –from Perfectchild
Your first assertions implies that the young woman in some way encouraged this attack. How? Your second assertion is simply wrong. I hope I would have done something had this happened in front of me and there’s not much feminine about me, especially my hairline.
In the Middle Ages when Europe was still Christian, the institution of chivalry called on knights to swear an oath to protect women and the weak, to seek justice, to live virtuously and to do this all without thought of thanks or the physical harm that might befall them. Your comments are disappointing in the extreme, falling far from that ideal.
The west needs Christian manhood to physically protect those who are physically assaulted and spiritually defend those who are under attack by Darkness, no matter how it might disguise itself.
Grow up. Man up. Step up.
IHS!
“Your first assertions implies that the young woman in some way encouraged this attack. How?”
It did not imply anything of the sort. This discussion was looking outside at the framework, as to how we arrived here, with Muslims On A Train.
To intervene between two Feminists, one self-identified with the female-form as superior, the other that they are superior to the female, is to put your own life and dependents in danger.
She might have said to reporters that it was her own fault, that she was not culturally sensitive enough. Be careful then. Socialism not only gives Preferences it also has a list of Thought Crimes that will make your intervention, on questioning, more punishable than the activity you tried to stop. And they may both turn on you, for they equally live preoccupied in the actions of the feminine and hate far more the masculine of individualism.
Islam is in the LGBTQ+ community. Every female feels them draw strength off from them too.
So what would I actually do, faced with the situation on a train?
The only certainty is would not “man up.” That is a tell so easy to read as a character weakness.
The next they wouldn’t see coming.
“In the Middle Ages when Europe was still Christian, the institution of chivalry called on knights to swear an oath to protect women and the weak, to seek justice, to live virtuously and to do this all without thought of thanks or the physical harm that might befall them. Your comments are disappointing in the extreme, falling far from that ideal.”
This is how females control their men. No person swears an oath. Your yes is your yes, your no is your no. You decide what you will do at every given moment. Any oath, to Muhammad or Angel is your enslavement.
We had been greeted by two witches of the Antichrist. The idolatry of a Dead Savior.
Witches?
Did I ever impose how women should behave and act by Heaven or Earth, Islam or Socialism?
A dangerous brood.
Related to the whole discussion, and maybe the greatest thing ever: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/10/women-shelter-transgender-man/
“I was uncomfortable with my roommate being transgender,” said one of the women, Tracey, in a TV reporter from Canada’s Global News network. “He wants to become a woman, I mean that is his choice but when a man comes into a women’s shelter who still has a penis and genitals, he has more rights than we do,” Tracey said.”
Tracey whined of the inverse fair law,
To rob all the rich and give to the poor.
Sheltered from men she played as a whore
Found Islam and Trans were privileged more.
To PerfectChild and others, as they may be.
The issue here is, in my opinion, one of personal agency. I submit without reservation that men -and women for that matter- should have intervened in the incident on the subway train. Why? Because they were witnessing a gross violation, a terrible injustice. In order to recognize this one must have a moral compass. In order to act on this moral compass, one must have faith not only in the compass itself but its value to oneself, surpassing even one’s personal comfort and safety. Knowing what is right requires doing what is right. In this case, intervention. Don’t the TTC subway cars have emergency strips for just this purpose? How much would it take to press one?
You in particular and others here, it would seem, have missed this point entirely. Because quite some few women have misused their own personal agency to play the victim card, adopt bizarre counter-natural theories of femininity and attack natural masculinity doesn’t give men a free pass to stop being men, to ignore the plight of the weak at the hands of the evil. There are two mistakes that men can make in the face of this false femininity. They can become feminized themselves in the hope that they might receive feminine approval and receive sex as a reward or they can become neutered in their resentment. Neither of these paths shows much in the way of self-control or self-worth. Blame women all you want. Pander to them all you want. The result will be the same: Futility.
Instead, speak clearly, think clearly act clearly. Such behavior is a novelty in this society and may be unwelcome but there is no other worthy path. There is such a thing as honor. and in everyday life, indeed, your yes should be your yes. But in public proclamations, such as weddings, the taking of public office, the testimony in court, an oath to God affirms our collective devotion to truth. Such was the knight’s vow in the Middle Ages. You may not be a Christian so this may not be familiar to you. I encourage you to do some study on chivalry.
Women, I believe, don’t necessarily want dangerous men. They want strong men and may confound “dangerous” with “strong.” A few strong men, linking arms and protecting that woman from the Mohammedans, was all that was required. A few men shouting at those miscreants to stop would at least have been something. Even one man (or woman) pressing the emergency strip would have changed the scene. None of that happened. I read excuses…yours and others…and I am tempted to despair. But as a man I must not despair. I must stand up for what is right, even if I get knocked down. But that is my duty as a man.
IHS!
What the heck this is a fun thread and an interesting conversation so Ill go another round. Its not often I disagree with readers here enough to respond so, thanks for the stimulation.
There is a point I don’t see you addressing and that is the question of real cost benefit. you do address perceived cost benefit and that is usually the real basis for action. Therefore the way people feel is usually more important than what is, sadly.
Its a lot of the reason we have the problems we have today.
I, like you, think chivalry was a great system and culture. But that culture is basically illegal on a selective basis now.
For example, if men do act to protect a woman and later she or the law feels its in their advantage to charge those men with Islamophobia or some other aggression they will and the men, acting chivalrously, will suffer. More than is reasonable and for doing the right thing.
It isn’t like this doesn’t happen and in the most bizarre circumstances as well.
Also your example from the middle ages, while I relate to the romance and the practicality of that culture, can’t work because that is no longer the culture. A small group of men linking arms to protect a damsel in distress from a wanking group of muslim migrants will lead to a CBC TV piece about a racist white gang humiliating a poor migrant who was just trying to say hello to a nice Canadian girl.
Not a knighthood from the local land owner.
Its not about risking losing a fight. Its that the culture itself has changed.
I agree with pulling the emergency stop though. if he gets off fast enough and hides his face he MIGHT avoid the arrest and charges that follow that action for malicious mischief or whatever the criminal code is for abuse of an emergency stop.
For the Muslims however, this is a win win.
They get to do what they want, and eventually they force Western women into behaving like muslim women if they don’t want to be constantly harassed, groped and raped.
The law has removed reasonable application of the concept of agency it seems.
If a non-Muslim does something which can be interpreted as a crime, then we are guilty. If a Muslim does something criminal then its to be excused because they are Muslim and don’t have agency.
Come to think of it, the law pretty much does that with women as well. Chivalry and modern feminism seem to ride tandem in Western courts.
The man is always to blame in domestic situations, and therefore, the man must be the only one capable of making decisions.
That seems kinda medieval in some ways does it not?
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/oct/26/gay-sperm-donor-pay-child-support-maintenance
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/23/justice/kansas-sperm-donation/
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/lofiversion/index.php/t9812.html%3cbr%20/t310.html
So enough about agency. Clearly the law in the West now feels that only white males have it when its going to go badly for them, but everyone else does if its going to go badly for the white male.
“Clearly the law in the West now feels that only white males have it (coming) when its going to go badly for them, but everyone else does if its going to go badly for the white male.” –Eeyore
Precisely. The culture has changed. We need a counter-culture. And if white males are going to be marginalized anyway, there is nothing to lose in joining that counter-culture.
This is a ground-up process. I believe it was John Adams who noted that a democracy can flourish only so long as the people comprising that government remain virtuous. In which case I submit that this is why the West teeters on extinction. And is clear to everyone, this is war. There are going to be casualties.
It is a spiritual war even more than it is a physical war, thus spiritual armor is of primary importance. By now we all are aware enough to heap scorn on those who attribute Mohammedan violence to poverty and ignorance. Moslems are fully aware of what they are doing. The solution starts by being fully aware of what we are doing in response, and why. You cannot confront savages with a “civilization” of sybarites, katamites, diesel dykes and various dyspeptic types who can only offer “I-told-ya-sos.” You need Men. Men who know what the score is. Men who are willing to stand up for what is right and take the heat.
You ask of cost benefit for adopting an attitude of neo-chivalry. I offer these benefits and costs
Benefits
1) Despair is replaced with determination
2) The effects present themselves gradually but notwithstanding immediately from adopting them
3) The effects are visible and may encourage others of like mind
4) A chivalrous attitude sharpens one’s view of the motivations of one’s self and the motivations of others. One increases in humility and discernment, two virtues that are altogether lacking in today’s “culture.”
5) This can be practised by ALL men, not just white men
6) This will benefit ALL people, not just white Christian males. It is the exact antithesis of sharia
7) It is a thing that can be done which depends only upon our own willingness to do it.
Costs
1) Censure
2) Potential imprisonment
3) Potential loss of livelihood
4) Potential injury or maiming
5) Potential death
Some soldiers survive a war. Some do not. But we’re all in this whether we want to be or not. To make matters worse, the enemy has infiltrated our governments and institutions. To top it off, few of us are obviously heroic. We’re mostly a bunch of Frodos. But that at least is something.
Hobbit up!
IHS!