About Eeyore

Canadian artist and counter-jihad and freedom of speech activist as well as devout Schrödinger's catholic

11 Replies to “You all came here to live on benefits….”

  1. A series of recent studies has shown the wave of migration under the last Labour government had no impact on unemployment, even among the least skilled. Nor did it significantly depress wages. Nor is Britain one of the world’s most densely populated nations.

    Jonathan Portes of the National Institute for Economic and Social Research says that migrants do not take on low paid jobs, and that they do not drive down wages.

    Immigration has not spiralled out of control – unlike the ill-informed debate that surrounds it. For all the huffing and puffing in Westminster, migration is driven by economics, not politics, as demonstrated by the Migration Observatory at Oxford University. If people are flocking to Britain, it is a sign of comparative success; few of us would want to emulate Greece, which is bucking the European trend with “negative migration” at the moment.

    Migrant Muslims and other immigrants are here to stay just like everyone else, take a look at just how hard working many of them are and most are living a very good life because of their hard work, they often fill gaps for jobs that many British people don’t want to do and laziness doesn’t even come into it. Look up Black and Asian peoples contribution to this country, you won’t like what you read but it is fact many many are very successful and continue to excel in every way to better their life! Nothing will stop us from getting to the top, if you have a problem with that You deal with it, we are here to stay and if you don’t like it tough!

    A series of recent studies has shown the wave of migration under the last Labour government had no impact on unemployment, even among the least skilled. Nor did it significantly depress wages. Nor is Britain one of the world’s most densely populated nations.

    Meanwhile, immigrants disproportionately boost public finances. Foreign-born people pay the same taxes but are far less likely to claim benefits or use state services than natives. On top of this, immigrants are far more likely to start new firms or patent new inventions, things we need so desperately right now. It seems significant that in London – along with the south-east, the sole region contributing more to the national exchequer than it takes out – one-third of residents are foreign-born.

    The EU should make sure that its member states are multicultural to ensure the prosperity of the union, the UN’s special representative for migration has said. Peter Sutherland also suggested the UK government’s immigration policy had no basis in international law. He told the House of Lords committee migration was a ‘crucial dynamic for economic growth’ in some EU nations ‘however difficult it may be to explain this to the citizens of those states’. He said that an ageing or declining native population in countries like Germany or southern EU states was the ‘key argument and, I hesitate to the use word because people have attacked it, for the development of multicultural states’. He criticised the UK’s attempt to cut net migration from its current level to ‘tens of thousands’ a year through visa restrictions. Migration was a ‘crucial dynamic for economic growth’ in some European countries, ‘however difficult it may be to explain this to the citizens’. The declining populations of some EU countries meant that multiculturalism was not only inevitable, but deeply desirable – ‘It’s impossible to consider that the degree of homogeneity which is implied by the other argument can survive because states have to become more open states, in terms of the people who inhabit them.’

    Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. We live in a rapidly changing world. If you attack the burqa, you attack the right of women to choose their own clothing. Respect the right of women how to dress.I respect women’s rights. Nobel Peace Prize winner “Tawakkul Karman,” ‘The mother of Yemen’s revolution,’ when asked about her Hijab by journalists and how it is not proportionate with her level of intellect and education, replied: “Man in early times was almost naked, and as his intellect evolved he started wearing clothes. What I am today and what I’m wearing represents the highest level of thought and civilization that man has achieved, and is not regressive. It’s the removal of clothes again that is a regression back to the ancient times. Veil is a sign of woman liberation from Current Naked liberalism, unethical fashion, social harassment, over consciousness about figure etc and become a sex icon and toy of the troy. In very cold winter people walk about with scarves tightly wrapped around their face. In those cases no security issue arises, but the wearing of burqa raises security concern. Burqa is worn as a matter of choice. Nowadays young women choose to wear full veil seeing it as a powerful statement of identity, The parliaments of various European countries are voting to legislate the banning of the veils, In Switzerland a ban on minarets was imposed. The campaign against Islamic symbols is on the rise because of a sense of insecurity in some Europeans. A ban on the burqa is bound to widen the differences rather than bridging them. It will just encourage discrimination against Muslims in European society.

  2. A series of recent studies has shown the wave of migration under the last Labour government had no impact on unemployment, even among the least skilled. Nor did it significantly depress wages. Nor is Britain one of the world’s most densely populated nations.

    You don’t seem to get it. Even if your (entirely uncited) assertion is true: that’s not the point. Even if on balance the complete total of the vast and unprecedented immigration wave of the last half century does not amount in sum to a cost of 1p to the British taxpayer, it doesn’t matte.

    The point was the cultural and demographic revolution that resulted was supposed to be justified by an equally unprecedented economic benefit. This boom has not materialised, and despite (yet again) a litany of vague assertions on your part which are not supported by evidence…

    Meanwhile, immigrants disproportionately boost public finances. Foreign-born people pay the same taxes but are far less likely to claim benefits or use state services than natives. On top of this, immigrants are far more likely to start new firms or patent new inventions, things we need so desperately right now.

    …it doesn’t take so much as a second to see through this weasel-wordy falsehood. “Disproportiantely”? Well in relation to what? “Far less likely to claim benefits”? Well I should fucking well hope so too if they just turn up with the aim of leaching off a system to which neither they nor their antecedents have financially contributed! “Far more likely to start new firms or patent new inventions”? What makes me think these are contributions from the 5% of migrants who are highly-skilled or academically gifted and granted for that reason?

    The facts are clear, and the evidence is unequivocal:

    “Unemployment among ethnic minorities costs the economy almost £8.6 billion a year in benefits and lost revenue from taxes. Half of Muslim men and three quarters of Muslim women are unemployed.”

    Said who? The EDL? The BNP? No. It’s from a 2010 study by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

    Migrant Muslims and other immigrants are here to stay just like everyone else…

    Really? What makes you so sure? What makes you think Muslims will get to be somehow immune to the kind of statements Muslims are making to non-Muslims in Islamic lands? Like in Egypt where the Muslim Brotherhood is telling the Copts (the actual original native inhabitants of Egypt), in effect, “adapt to our ways or leave”?

    Christians Should “Convert, Pay Tribute, or Leave,” Says Muslim Brotherhood Presidential Candidate?

    You seem to think that your presence is unconditional. Nope. You were brought here to serve an economic purpose. You have no claim to it by birth or residence, that any Muslim country would recognize. So if you fail to satisfy your economic function: out you go. I’m sure the Ummah will welcome you back with open arms. There’s so much food to go around there for a start, isn’t there?

    If the UK government couldn’t be arsed to ask the British people – even once – whether they wanted to be saddled with your lot, what really makes you think they’re going to need to ask YOUR permission before giving you the boot, sonny-Jim?

    Ain’t reciprocity a bitch?

  3. Ethnic minorities living in Britain identify more strongly with “Britishness” than do their white counterparts, the largest study on race carried out in this country reveals.

    Muslims are the most likely of the various groups to consider themselves British, say the Institute for Social and Economic Research and the Institute of Education findings which fly in the face of suggestions that ethnic groups are unwilling or unable to integrate.

    They also challenge the assumption that Pakistani Muslims associate more strongly with their ethnic group than with the country as a whole. The opposite, in fact, was found to be true.

    Researchers drew the conclusions from Understanding Society, a huge study tracking 40,000 households. With 10,000 ethnic minority individuals among those asked their opinions, it offers a rich insight into identity.

    People were asked a series of questions, including how important, on a scale of 0 to 10, being British was to them. Every minority group scored more highly than the white population, with Pakistanis topping the list.

    Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said that the figures proved that immigrants “loved Britain” and had come here because of the country’s values.

    “Nobody travels 5,000 miles to get on social security,” he said. “We have to respect the motives of these families. They want to work and contribute and build their new life.”

    When groups were further broken down by religion, Black African Muslims came top, scoring an average of 8.2 out of 10, compared with 6.6 for white people.

    The sense of Britishness rises with time, with the children and grandchildren of immigrants feeling even closer to the British identity.

    The study also looked at how the sense of belonging shifted with other attributes, including age, political affiliation, education and region. Those over 60 felt most British, but among those with a college or university degree there was a reduced sense of national identity.

    Members of the Tory party felt more British than Labour supporters, the survey revealed, while people in the East of England, South West and South East felt less British than Londoners or those living across the North.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, those living in Scotland felt significantly less British than did those in England.

    The research will be presented next week at the Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC) Research Methods festival in Oxford by Alita Nandi.

    “There is a huge emphasis in public and policy discourse on immigration and its potential challenge to cultural homogeneity and national identity,” Dr Nandi said. “Our research shows that people we might assume would feel very British, in fact, do not, while others who we might assume would not associate themselves with feelings of Britishness, in fact, do.”

    She said that minority groups also associated quite strongly with their ethnicity — suggesting that people were able to manage “dual identities”. That suggests that immigrant populations are more comfortable with “integration” than “assimilation”. She argued that the findings could indicate that minority groups think about identity more than the indigenous population does.

    Keith Vaz, the longest-serving Asian MP in Parliament, who represents Leicester East, said he was not surprised. “One of the reasons that people choose to come to Britain — why my parents came here from Yemen rather than India — is they have a strong respect for British values.”

    But he agreed that the Asian population also remains strongly interested in the subcontinent. “People are fascinated by Bollywood — and still say they want to bring over a wife from Pakistan or India.”

    His Labour colleague, Barry Gardiner, represents Brent North in London, where 130 languages are spoken in the borough’s schools. Mr Gardiner argued that immigrants identified strongly with Britain because they had made an active choice to come here. He said that ethnic minority communities had, for instance, celebrated the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee with enormous enthusiasm.

    One of the organisers of a parade and a 4,000-strong party in the park in Brent was Renu Kaul, 68, who has lived in Britain for more than 45 years. “I have grown to adore Britain,” she said. “Its sense of honour, its pageantry, even some of the food — I love fish and chips.”

    Mrs Kaul, who is the deputy chairman of her local residents’ association, added that she also loved India.

    She called herself an “amalgam” who drew the best of both cultures. She arranged for Union Jacks to be draped over the lampposts in Brent, and for drummers, gospel singers and bhangra dancers to turn out to mark the occasion.

    The chairman of the residents’ association, George Sabratnam, is originally from Sri Lanka. “I would say I feel more British than Sri Lankan,” he said. “Although I do have a passion for the country I am from.”

  4. Many of the points that Mr. Ahmad makes are complete inversions of reality. This seems to be the preferred style of debate in certain quarters: simply claim the exact opposite of the truth, and people will be so stunned they won’t know who to believe, if you’re good at it. I believe Goebbels called this technique “The Big Lie.”

    No need for me to point out the many fantastic clsims he makes. They will be immediately spotted by those having any degree of informed familiarity with these issues. In fact, many of them can be immediately revealed as the falsehoods they are simply by opening one’s eyes and comparing them with basic observed reality.

  5. Incidentally, most of the sources Ahmad cites are known to be compromised by multicultural bias, and have a vested interest in presenting the status quo in the best possible light. Remember, even the British police refused for years to help girls who were being victimized by immigrants, out of fear of being perceived as racists. Under such conditions, the findings of groups associated with the British government and/or immigrant interest groups obviously cannot be accepted at face value. In addition, strict limits on freedom of speech in Britain make the pronouncements of such official bodies even more suspect: when only one side is allowed to speak, it doesn’t have to worry about being contradicted or found out, and knows it can say nearly anything it wishes to, true or untrue.

  6. Iftikhar

    Why do you act like a human spam bot?
    Why can’t you post like a normal person and enter a debate?
    Why can’t you think for yourself and present your own views and justify them?
    Why are you spiralling out of control and repeatedly pasting the same idiotic posts?
    Why don’t you have the decency to respond to comments?
    Why don’t you realise no one is fooled by your childish propaganda ?
    Why aren’t you banned for afflicting folk with this cut and paste spam bot nonsense?
    Why don’t you bugger off to Saudi Arabia and lecture them on diversity and multiculturalism?

    Cynic – Iftikhar doesn’t say (and probably doesn’t know or care ) but that report was written by someone employed by Labour as an advisor. Yes, the open doors, mass immigration, change the make up of society party. How nice of him to turn round and write a report suggesting his former Labour bosses did nothing wrong, everything is great , and we can’t believe our lying eyes

  7. Tarbock asks:

    “Why aren’t you banned for afflicting folk with this cut and paste spam bot nonsense?”

    He does a better job of exposing the tactics and reasoning of Islam than I could in a hundred posts.

    That’s why. Although not a day goes by where I don’t think about it as often his defense of rapists and his victim-blaming are so damn offensive.

  8. I have been waiting for the ordinary Brits to get pissed, they and the ones like them in other countries are what will save Europe.

  9. Mathias, Completely agree with your comments on Mr Ahmed’s postings, a complete inversion of reality, but I wouldn’t call it debate as there is none. He cuts and pastes biased propaganda which anyone can demolish.

    I’ve gone from pity to contempt as he constantly insults everyone’s intelligence with his silly articles and he’s too cowardly to have a proper debate.

    Still, I take your point Eeyore, he does an excellent job exposing the tactics and reasoning of Islam (and his own lack of intelligence) but could you ask him to post new material now and then? The rubbish he posts is bad enough first time round and dreadfully boring the second, third, and fourth times. He must have the hide of a rhino and the intelligence of a gnat.

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