Religious leaders furious over Norway’s proposed circumcision ban

Freethinker:

JENNY Klinge,  Norway’s Centre Party justice policy spokeswoman, has angered religious leaders by condemning the ritual circumcision of infant boys. Calling it “outdated” and “dangerous”, she called for its ban. She said:

In my view, this is a custom that we cannot accept in a modern, civilized society. Our aim is to prioritise the rights of small children. Fortunately, it has become forbidden to circumcise girls, now it’s time for boys to get the same legal protection.

Jenny Klinge says the ritual circumcision of infant boys is barbarous

She stressed that boys who have been ritually circumcised can never remove what she called “a religious marker” if they choose to convert to another religion or have no religious beliefs.

I’m not buying the argument that banning circumcision is a violation of religious freedom, because such freedom must involve being able to choose for themselves.

But she stressed that she was not opposed to circumcision in cases where it was deemed a medical necessity.

However, circumcision based on ritual and religion is actually about holding down a newborn baby boy and cutting off part of a healthy sexual organ, with all the consequences that this might have for an individual’s future health and sex life.

With this in mind, performing a circumcision on religious grounds ought to be made a criminal offence, she added.

Jan Helge Solbakk, a professor of medical ethics at Oslo University, agreed with Klinge’s criticism of the practice.

It represents an irreversible operation on a boy who is not in a position to protect himself, and as such is in breach of basic human rights.

Ervin Kohn, Chairman and Trustee of the Jewish community disagrees, saying a ban would serve as a very strong signal that the Jews are an unwanted minority in the country. He claims that 99 percent of all Jews in the world circumcise their male children.

It is the visible covenant between Abraham and God. It goes directly on religious freedom and that Norway is a tolerant society.

Kohn also points out that research has documented the health benefits of circumcision.

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15 Replies to “Religious leaders furious over Norway’s proposed circumcision ban”

  1. They’ll do what they always do, strongly work against the Jewish minority to stop male circumcision in Jewish communities, but probably ignore male circumcision amongst Muslim communities whilst turning a blind eye to the far more barbaric female circumcision that occurs amongst the Muslims.
    This is just another example of Leftards making noises again. They’re good at that! They will pretend that they are standing for human rights against the tyranny of religion but as usual Jews will suffer and be used as scapegoats. The Muslims will escape justice and the Left will use Jewish circumcision as an excuse for more bad-mouthing of Israel.

  2. Western civilisation is based on Judeo-Christian-Islamic doctrine. The late Pim Fortuyn’s view of Islam as backwards because of its views on homosexuality. Christians and Judaism also share the Islamic view. Why did Pim pick on Islam?

    Multiculturalism involves a level of complexity which cannot be understood from the prospective of any single discipline. Instead, historical, cultural, linguistic, political, economic, educational, sociological and psychological factors and processes all play critical role.

    Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. We live in a rapidly changing world.

    Islam is the largest non-Christian faith in Britain, and has the worst press. It is the only religion about which it is permissible to publicly express uninformed hostile opinions. According to Lord Hattersley, fundamentalism is less acceptable when it is not white. Islam has been a focal point for the new racism, and remains on the edge of mainstream British life. The changing political and legal environment in western countries across the board has undermined the quality of life of western Muslims. Many face discrimination in the work place, are victims of racial and religious profiling, international travel has become difficult and risky. Islamic institutions, and particularly Masajid and Islamic Charities face harassment and unnecessary scrutiny. The murder of a Dutch film producer, the denial of a visa to the US for Tariq Ramadan and the humiliation deportation of Yusuf Islam from the US immediately on arrival are all front page news all over the world. Cryer caused great offence within the Muslim community by her pronouncements on issues of children not speaking English at home, and her criticism of transcontinental marriages. The choice of wives ensures that the children will grow up confident and familiar in both cultures. France officially mourns Pope but bans Muslim scarf. It shows the hypocrisy of French Secularism.

    Islam is not a culture but a body of principals and universal values. British Muslims are enriching the whole society. From the Middle Ages, Islam has participated in the building of a European as well as British consciousness. The influence of Islamic civilisation on the literary and philosophical traditions is innumerable.

    A child who has English as a second language is seen as having a special need – not as having a skill to be lauded from the rooftops. Bilingual children think in different way. Language has a profound effect in shaping the ways people think and act. Certain concepts are embedded in words that do not translate. There are repertoires of phrases which exist in Arabic or Urdu because there is no English equivalent. State schools are slaughter houses and are not suitable for bilingual Muslim children. Muslim children in the UK may lose out when they join reception classes because the school’s values and language reflect those of the dominant native culture, rather than those of their home. Almost all recent research literature agrees that if you want children whose home language is not English to excel in English –medium schools, it is important to nurture and acknowledge that first language along side their English development. Cultivating bilingualism could and should promote pupil’s linguistic development. Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Any state or public school where Muslim children are in majority should be opted out as Muslim Academies. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. The tragedy of forced marriage and honour killing could have been avoided if the poor girls were educated in a single sex state funded Muslim schools by female Muslim teachers.The tragedies are an eye opener for all those Muslim parents who send their children to state schools where they are exposed to non-Muslim teachers who have no respect for Islamic faith and Muslim community and do not understand the needs and demands of the Muslim children. Most marriages in the upper classes in the UK used to be arranged, but habits have changed. It is understandable that in today’s society with cohabitation and a very flexible view on the marriage vows an arranged marriage sounds “old-fashioned”. Just look at the abysmal divorce statistics: people have married because they believed they knew and and loved each other and they are soon onto their third, fourth marriage! This is not easy stuff to legislate.

    Muslim boys need to be circumcised at all cost. They are different from non-Muslim boys and Muslim parents would like to see their children differnt from non-Muslim boys. Muslim community needs to build Masajid with Minarits.If you attack the burqa, you attack the right of women to choose their own clothing. Do you want that, Western man Respect the right of women how to dress.I respect women’s rights. I have numerous examples around me where women are doing complete veil and they are very much professional and active in every walk of life and living a very “respectable” and healthy life along with every contemporary suitable fashion and ornaments they may feel comfortable with. Veil is a sign of woman liberation from Current Naked liberalism, unethical fashion, social harassment, over consciousness about figure etc and become a sex icon and toy of the troy. Veil is not mere name of piece of cloth but it also has complete women education and training to enjoy her full, fledge life without any fear and become tradable commodity and symbol of enjoyment.

    Integration means the acceptance within a community of others as others. A society is unified, or should be unified, by respect for laws that are applicable to all. This respect does not require all members of that society to observe the same customs.They do not all have to have the same sexual orientation or wear the same clothes. They don’t even have to speak the same language, as is clearly demonstrated by the example of the Swiss. There are a total of four different official languages in Switzerland. The idea that all citizens must be alike is a relict from the days of totalitarianism that does not correspond to the nature of democracy. Anyone who has lived abroad for a time – knows how difficult this can be, even if one speaks the national language well. One has to learn – to learn to live. Other people do not appear to need me, but I need them. And if people show me that I am not wanted here, it doesn’t mean that I could simply get on a plane and go home. There is frequently no “home” to which one can return so easily.

    Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim culture–the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture. The Manifesto of the Norwegian Terrorist and mass murderer clearly states that in Europe Pakistani Muslims are on the increase because of migration and high birth rate and one day they are going to demand the Pakistan of Europe. When he was in school, he was afraid of a Pakistani gang. He is afraid of popularity of Islam and revertion of Europeans. A report by the Institute for Community Cohesion found that native parents were deserting some schools after finding their children out numbered by pupils from ethnic minorities. Schools in parts of England are becoming increasingly segregated. The study focused on 13 local authorities. Many of the schools and colleges are segregated and this was generally worsening over recent years. This is RACISM because British society is the home of institutional racism.
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  3. “Western civilisation is based on Judeo-Christian-Islamic doctrine. The late Pim Fortuyn’s view of Islam as backwards because of its views on homosexuality. Christians and Judaism also share the Islamic view. Why did Pim pick on Islam? ”

    Maybe because young Muslim men beat up homosexuals, and Jews and Christians didn’t? I agree with the article that the authorities will try to eradicate Judaism, just like they did in San Francisco.

  4. Circumcision is dead wrong!

    No one should have their genitals mutilated in infancy, when they are not able to choose for themselves. If you are still a believing jew or muslim when you are lawfully a self-responsible adult, then you can have whatever you want removed from your own person in whatever crazy-ass ceremony you want. It would still be silly, to say the least, but it would be your choice for your body.

    Children are not the property of their parents! Just say no to child-circumcision!!!

  5. Pope:

    Why is it a big deal for males one way or the other?
    My parents did it to me. It doesn’t seem to bother me

  6. Male circumcision is a barbaric practice. But not near as much as muslim barbarians slicing the meat curtains off of all their female children sans anesthesia. Wont get any pushback on that. Oh no, that would be racist to judge their culture. Please, carry on…

  7. Non-consented, non-therapeutic genital cutting is a human rights violation. Whether OxAO knows or cares or not, many men do care, and they have every right to.

    Its not about religion. In the USA, 96.5% of circumcision is not religious. Nor, Softly Bob, is it about left vs right. Libertarians should stand up for the right of the individual to the undisturbed possession of all his normal, healthy, functional, non-renewing body parts, not just those his parents choose to let him keep. (Oddly, this is the ONLY part they may remove at whim.)

    Boys (and girls) born into Muslim families deserve the same human rights as other males (and females), to decide for themselves, when they are old enough, what (normal, healthy, etc) parts of their own bodies they want to keep or have cut off.

  8. OxAO:

    Well, Im glad you are able to live with it without too much trouble.

    Yet, it remains something you should have chosen for yourself in adulthood, not having your parents deciding the matter for you in childhood!

  9. OxAO well clearly the government at the behest of activist groups and an army of social workers based on whoever is trying to sell a book.

    No one has addressed the selective enforcement issue, have they?

  10. Circumcision was introduced into North American society on religious grounds.

    The reasoning was that by exposing the head of the penis at all times, it would somewhat dull the sensation in it and thus reduce sexual pleasure (which, medical science and adult men who have had foreskin reconstruction surgery assure us it does). This was seen as important because it would reduce masturbation in young men and keep their mind more on God and less on sex.

    Our society was not built on Judeo-Christian values: if it were, we would still be stoning adulterers and burning heretics. No, our society was built on the rejection of Judeo-Christian values.

    The cornerstone of our society is the principle of self-ownership.

    The right to bodily integrity is a basic expression of this cornerstone principle.

    Parents are their children’s guardians – not their owners. As such, they do not have the right to violate the bodily integrity of the humans under their protection.

    Our Charter – for better or for worse – recognizes the right to bodily integrity. In my never-humble-opinion, that means that permitting non-medical surgery on minors is already against the law in Canada.

    It’s about time we began applying the law!

  11. A similar argument could be made for religious practices of slaughtering meat which violate Canada’s animal cruelty laws. But, like the point I was trying to make by posting the story above, any attempt to outlaw religious practices that are done by both Jews and Muslims will result in selective enforcement such that Jews are forced out and Muslims can continue to practice with no inconvenience.

    This is the issue, not the absolutes of ritual slaughter or circumcision. As far as that goes however, I would be willing to bet a weeks pay that guys who have been cut jerk off on average every single bit as much as guys who where not.

  12. I’d like to add that this program, Sweet Captcha, for stopping bots from posting here must have been designed by a woman as nearly all the little pictures seem to be shopping related.

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