About Eeyore

Canadian artist and counter-jihad and freedom of speech activist as well as devout Schrödinger's catholic

53 Replies to “Black Pigeon on the layers of illegality of tenants of the burned tower”

  2. The way things are going it looks like each person affected by the fire is going to end up fairly rich, this is going to motivate many more fires in London.

  3. Black Pigeon has an agenda.It is a disgusting agenda at that.But is an agenda that will be shared by some to many.Maybe not as Christian agenda as espoused by Pope Francis.

    • Please detail. What is that agenda? What are the problems with it? what is the evidence you have that he has the agenda you impute to him? We aren’t CNN or WaPo here.

    • Ron, you appear to be a Muslim who is constantly pushing people to Socialism and fake Christianity, these ruling elite who created their People of Guilt; so that words of liberalism give them a sense of life, that resonate and stick as mantras to call themselves good, to enable the trojan horse of taqiyya, of Islam, to enter their safe spaces.

      ‘Love not war,’ ‘hope not hate,’ and your favorite, “no sin, no shame,” leading them to quote in dhimmitude, ‘Allah is Merciful.’ Before these Eloi are eaten by the Morlocks.

      Please explain Black Pigeon’s “disgusting” agenda and Pope Francis’ better one.

      • I have lived long enough and experienced enough to know that me changing your mind is as unlikely as you changing mine.I engage you firstly to hold your feet to the fire and secondly because I believe you to be good,decent and worthy men,husbands,fathers and citizens.If worse comes to worse,I will be your Corpsman.

        • Many years ago, I had a good friend who was born and raised in South Africa. He had a very different frame of reference than mine. It took him a year or two before he would share his thoughts with me about political matters, as Canada, and I at the time being in my very early twenties, was in a fairly tight grip of a Marxist narrative. So I listen to what you say with as open a mind as I can knowing you likely have at least as ‘alien’ a mind as his was to me. And this deserves patience and understanding to see the core of it and know the root values.

          As to the point, I also fight for the system. But when the system is subverted or senile in the systems analysis sense of it, then it must be reexamined as it no longer serves its purpose. And loyalty to a system that has no resemblance to that for which it was created is a form of betrayal.

          For me, we stand at that juncture. All systems, justice and government, especially in Canada, and legal institutions and the law itself, must be carefully examined as for the past few decades, the language of political correctness has been infused into the system to quite actually make it swallow itself. Human Rights commissions actually destroy human rights and replace it with Marxist or postmodern tribalism.

          Equality before the law and the merit principle, have been replaced by equity with “some animals more equal than others” in more and more overt ways.

          I value the principles upon which our systems were built. And I respect the systems only to the extent to which they serve those principles.

          • Where there is no justice the people perish.

            Over 100, 000, 000 good, intelligent, independent, hard working people were killed by their Marxist governments. The people they got to do it were the Welfare Dependants. Today, those who have attractions to objects as their identities and those who serve Satan to have a piece of everything, are also your neighbors who will kill you in the street.
            The illegal alien has broken into your home with no respect for you. To talk of compensation is to embolden them all to rise to the display of dhimmitude.

          • While I am not a South African,I served as a regular in the Rhodesian Army,and spent somes weeks in South Africa on R&R from our bush war.I have casevaced young white South African Policemen,(SAP),who were assissting us in the bush war,confronted Black South Africans when in Jo’berg,(interesting,because after some heated arguments,we ended up buying each other cold beers),many of my all white unit served in SWA after our unit dicided to disband in Zimbabwe.A few years later,I did spend some weeks in South Africa with the intent of joing my Brothers in SWA but ended up visiting Zimbabwe after Independence ,eventually marrying a Rhodesian girl,(South Asian).I am about to retire after 35 years service with our federal prisons.Life is hardly Black and White in my eyesand/or experience.

          • “I value the principles upon which our systems were built. And I respect the systems only to the extent to which they serve those principles.”

            We have common ground here.

    • I am an ordinary Londoner. My waiter in Boro Bistro 4 days before the attack is dead. A friend of a friend has been told she will have a permanent tracheostomy because she was stabbed in the neck.
      I want Islam banned throughout the west.
      If it is not the sad fact is there will be many many more attacks like the one in Finsbury..
      I have taken the Roy Lerner quote to heart. F### you. I’m Millwall!

      • You’ve been through a lot.
        But you limeys are plenty tough. Your spirit jumps right off my screen, it’s that strong.
        You’ve got this YankeeKafir praying for you.

  4. I don’t condone anyone benefiting from an illegal activity,but our courts rule on the negligence of bodies and any compensation to victims.I suggest that if an illegal immigrant is murdered or suffers injury from an employers negligence he will still be entitled to compensation.Sometimes the law is an ass,but mostly it works.Even prosecutors and Government Committees give immunity in order to achieve truth and/or charges against those in higher positions or complicity.Police have hotlines where citizens can call in anonymously.Deals are made with criminals all the time.
    I am unclear as to the reason for granting an amnesty to illegal immigrants.Is it for compensation or something else that might shed light on the disaster in order to prevent such disasters in the future?

    • Oranges and apples. That’s all we get. Marxist Cultural Relativism. Compensation prevent a disaster? Your mind is wired to your loins.

      • I am tired, Ron and need to rest. (12 hrs to go).

        “35 years service with our federal prisons”

        Prisons are an excuse not to deal with reality. The dehumanizing process that produces new creatures to be rescued by the State.

        If no one worked the prisons, the government would have to rethink child care.

        • Listening to Elizabeth Fry organization last night.I know them a little,but surprised to hear they don’t believe in incarcerating women for anything!Maybe you guys should get together,but leave your gats at the door,please!

        • I understand you a bit better now Ron. We have all discussed the bigger picture while you micromanage.

          Sending a person to the brig is not the same as three years for rape or ten years for an Islamic terror attack. The first is rehabilitative, the latter corrupts the whole house.

          For a person who has 35 years experience of incarceration to then have no subtleties on the issue, is telling.

          If I broadcasted on the radio “all men are stupid!” they would (if not branded with tattoos) nod and say that they had done some dumb things.
          If I said, “all women are stupid!,” they would want to burn the place down.

          One would recognize a kernel of truth, while the other run from it.

          Pride is a stone that people walk around in praise and fall over.

          • So whether you are a Muslim, Homosexual or Socialist… or inverted as them all… I can tell you are not the son of man.

            And your constant offers to be friends with readers with platitudes of ‘no sin, no shame’ is seeking marks who want to run from their shame and guilt. “All will be well with you,” say the priest to feast.

            The horrors of working in Prisons dldehumanizes the guards as well, if they were not the sort of person drawn to the power they have and the sexual frustration theirin.

            An evil turned into good.

    • Two drivers collide and are both killed. One is insured the other driving illegally.

      Not only will the family of the insured driver be compensated, but the family of the uninsured be sued for their part if found guilty of aiding and abetting.

  5. You’re right, Ronny. Black Pigeon’s agenda is Truth, and the Pope’s is communism. You’re one sharp tack!

    • We can work on the Truth,Johnnyu.Christianity as espoused by our Pope is nothing to be ashamed of or feared.Islam can learn from it.Communism is a waste of time and good will.It is dead.I don’t celebrate the dead.I have witnessed where the Catholic Church has appeared to support African Marxist Terrorists or at least have not outright condemned it in white ruled Rhodesia.I have witnessed where African Terrorists have murdered and raped white missionaries and their families.I have seen where the Churches have condemned Mugabe’s Forces in the genocide of the Ndebele People,a minority Zimbabwe tribe.Again,life is seldom black and white.

      • Communism is alive and well in China, North Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela and Cuba. The Soviet Union was destroyed and is dead, communism isn’t a nation it is a philosophy that is taught in every University in the world.

        • “Communism is alive and well in China, North Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela and Cuba.”
          Not only there. It’s also alive and kicking everywhere else on the planet.
          Perhaps better known as its precursor cultural marxism.
          Gnawing at our western culture like a cancer from the inside out.

          • ““Communism is alive and well in China, North Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela and Cuba.”

            I keep forgetting China,it’s economy so successfully Capitalism,as only a Communist and largely non-corrupt political system can achieve so efficiently.There is hope here,given the Tienanmen Square protests and the failed attempts at political change by Hu Yaobang,the reason for student objections to his punishments for wanting some significant political change.It should be recalled that military commands from outside Beijing had to be called in to put down the protests.That large numbers of citizens including students risked political change was remarkable and gives hope.It is a sigh,not unlike the failed Arab Spring,that people will risk everything,and sometimes that isn’t much,to gain freedoms.
            N.Korea,etc.,I see as aberrations,hardly existential threats to the West,though a nuclear armed N.Korea is problematic.In some ways,a nuclear capable N.Korea will pose a different kind of threat than say Iran,where we have the irrationality of Fundamental Islam vs Regime survival.While a nuclear capable Zionist Israel has not used Nukes,she has had no need,winning mostly convincingly all her wars.It is cause for some concern that during the early days of the Yom Kippur War,(when IDF/IAF casualties,mostly combat Jets,were surprisingly and disturbingly high,and the Americans were slow to resupply,hoping the Arabs could win back some badly needed pride with some sort of limited victories),IDF sent a clear message to America by moving to assemble nuclear components.So who knows?

            • A couple of points:

              First, I am not an expert so I pose this as something between a guess and a question…

              China seems to allow private ownership of means of production, but under heavy state regulations. So I would call it fascist not communist. Like Canada for that matter. Canada has rules that extend ideological practices to all government hiring, whether it is about race, sex, or language first spoken, to any companies that the government does business with. Which is all companies over a certain size pretty much.

              So to my informally trained eye, China is not communist economically, and I think they gave up on the cultural aspects of post-modern thought as well. They seem less communist than Canada to me, but slightly more fascist than Canada in how they treat political prisoners, but Canada appears to be ready to compete for that lead as well.

              Lastly, there have indeed been times where Israel would have, could have had a need to use its nukes. A couple of wars which had existential outcomes for Israel, and yet they still didn’t use, or even threaten to use them.

              This led the geopolitical think tank, STRATFOR, an organization that pre-Obama was remarkable as a news outlet for factual unbiased reporting, to write an article saying that nuclear weapons had no strategic value as no one was going to use them under any circumstances, and that they did not act as a deterrent, using Israel as an example.

              Its an interesting hypothesis but requires the fundamental values to be equal in all parties. They are not. While it is true that Pakistan has not used theirs yet, they threaten nuclear annihilation of India at least every six months. A slight shift more towards an Islamic cosmology and using them would be more than halal, it would be compulsory.

              North Korea, if we assume that they are using standard geopolitical thought, have been using nuclear weapons as a form of blackmail in order to get the world to pay for their shitty system, instead of actually producing wealth for their own people.

              I not only think that is an unsafe assumption, but that
              each month of delay changes their position such that their ambitions may become more bluntly about manifest destiny, certainly on the Korean peninsula.

              Iran states its intentions daily by chants of the hundreds of thousands, and even if they are lying, only the most suicidal of fools would not take them at their word. If they have the capability to use strategic weapons, then they will use them. At first, just to blackmail the world. We know this because they already do. And eventually, they will do it to fulfill their own eschatology, as Islam, uniquely, makes the claim that end-times prophesy is something that can be brought about by man, and must be for the sake of their martyrs.

              Christians believe that they cannot know the hour of the return and the end, and that nothing they can do will effect it.

              The importance of this distinction cannot be overstated.

              I welcome any corrections I, and my case deserve.

              • I label China communist because of the way they require the large manufactures to give them a large percentage of the stock in the factory and then pay massively increasing fees to continue manufacturing goods in China. (This says volumes about the sad state of labor rates in the US when it is cheaper to pass on a major share of the profits as a bribe to continue operations then it is to pay for the labor in the US)

                Remember Fascism was started by Mussolini to create a Marxism that works. It is at best a variation on communism.

                • “I label China communist because of the way they require the large manufactures to give them a large percentage of the stock in the factory and then pay massively increasing fees to continue manufacturing goods in China.”

                  Too right! However you slice it, “centrally planned economies” are nothing but (and always have been) kleptocracies writ large.

              • “So I would call it fascist not communist. Like Canada for that matter. Canada has rules that extend ideological practices to all government hiring, whether it is about race, sex, or language first spoken, to any companies that the government does business with. Which is all companies over a certain size pretty much.

                So to my informally trained eye, China is not communist economically, and I think they gave up on the cultural aspects of post-modern thought as well. They seem less communist than Canada to me, but slightly more fascist than Canada in how they treat political prisoners, but Canada appears to be ready to compete for that lead as well.”

                Are we in the same Universe,Eeyore? I had to check my internet connection to be sure.
                I won’t legitimize your China-Canada comparison with a reply.A first for me.Think what you may.

                “been times where Israel would have, could have had a need to use its nukes. A couple of wars which had existential outcomes for Israel, and yet they still didn’t use, or even threaten to use them.”

                I believe Zionist Israel did threaten to use their Nukes during the Yom Kippur war.To be fair,it is thought that “threat”was a faint to scare the American Administration to resupply lost military hardware,ie,F-I6’s.
                And yes,todate the only country to have ever used Nukes in anger remains America,who nuked two Jap cities,so that is in some way reassuring.

                Now Iranians are not stupid,but I trust Fundamentalist Religious regimes about as far as I can throw them.I like them even less.Give me a practical but more brutal regime any day,at least when it comes down to apocalyptic threats/endings.

                “Christians believe that they cannot know the hour of the return and the end, and that nothing they can do will effect it. ”

                I still trust in my Christian God,or at least in his followers.We have come a long way compared to Islam and Judaism.

  6. “So, what’s to stop the next fire?”

    Stop? … STOP!!! Who’s fecking kidding whom?

    SIDEBAR: Amongst the most common of all side-effects that spring from Liberalism—along with its delicately nuanced coterie of ulterior motives and tacit (or covert) agendas—are those wholly unexpected misfortunes which predictably arise from The Law of Unintended Consequences™.

    As is so often the case, this ridiculously avoidable conflagration will be used to flog entire hordes of all-too-willing Liberal masochists Western apologists who already exultantly flagellate themselves for having ever enjoyed—for even a single split millisecond—their entrenched, execrable, and patently criminal sinecure of “White Privilege”.

    As Black Pigeon so aptly (and rhetorically) notes, “…what’s to stop the next fire?”

    Horrifically, the answer isn’t just “nothing“. Even the most rudimentary analysis is obliged to conclude that the real answer is, instead, that (just as Black Pigeon so deftly implies) even more concerted efforts will take place to win the “no-go zone” ghetto lottery.

    Anyone who wishes to challenge me about whether the foregoing declaration is “racist” or not had best consider how dangerous it likely is for ANY Caucasian person to walk through a “no-go zone” even conspicuously attired in Islamic apparel. Be it Dearborn in Michigan, Molenbeek in Belgium, the Parisian Banlieues, Holland’s Schilderswijk district, Copehnagen’s suburb of Nørrebro in Denmark—the list grows with each passing day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjcpKY0hpo

    Those absurdly generous settlements arising from the Grenfell Tower fire put the appeasement of America’s proverbial and legendary, “40 acres and a mule, to absolute shame.

    Most glaring of all is the utterly inappropriate legal amnesty being awarded to those original Grenfell tenants that illegally sublet their units to totally unvetted and potentially hazardous or dangerously ill-suited occupants of the sort that might light cooking fires on apartment floors or attempt to roast whole sheep on their diminutive balcony porch.

    Purposefully disregarding the culpability and legal liability of such parties is nothing but an open invitation to have more of these disasters happen in the future.

    While this callused heart of mine is unable to wring its figurative hands over the deaths of so many people who willingly circumvented the law (and fire codes), the fact that English taxpayers should bear the financial burden of rebuilding, much less compensating or paying to accommodate those who probably instigated these circumstances makes me want to engage in projectile vomiting.

    • “So, what’s to stop the next fire?”

      Replace the aluminum cladding.Or would you rather it remain? Maybe that would suit your agenda,eh?

        • The UK and France for that matter wouldn’t have an immigration problem,unless you consider the Irish a problem,if they hadn’t colonized a quarter of the world,like America wouldn’t have a Black problem if they hadn’t brought over hundreds of thousands of slaves in chains.We are seeing those countries reap what they sowed.Still,a strong case can be made for the benefits that good immigrants bring to a country,forced or not.And ,of course,every country has the right to control its borders.That said,all countries have an obligation to help those in need,and that sometimes means giving them sanctuary,at least for as long as the need is there.
          The roots of ISIS can be found among the ruins of Iraq,as the root of Al- Qaeda can be traced to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.Colonialism,occupation and foreign policy of the super-powers has to accept much responsibility here.Certainly the extremist Islamic Fundamentalists and Fanatics cannot be discounted here,and whether they would have become the threat they have become if not for the above I do not know.

          • This answer tells us where you stand on the selective telling of history, you concentrate on the bad and ignore the good that outweighs the bad. By doing this you are helping destroy the nation that has brought more freedom to the world then all of the others combined. You are working to destroy the fruits of the enlightenment and return the world to a Dark Age that will be much more brutal then the last one.

            • “concentrate on the bad and ignore the good that outweighs the bad. you are helping destroy the nation that has brought more freedom to the world then all of the others combined. working to destroy the fruits of the enlightenment and return the world to a Dark Age that will be much more brutal then the last one.”

              Since man first migrated out of Africa,migration has been part and parcel of mankinds journey since the dawn of history.This history includes Colonization,for good and bad.Migrations have resulted in beneficial exchanges of cultures,religions,trade,technology,etc.Obviously there are also the sins and evils of Colonization,etc.Knowledge and disease have spread along with our armies to other lands and Peoples.
              Mostly,such natural migrations and even Colonizations are a thing of the past.Perhaps the last of such colonizations was the Zionist occupation,displacement,de facto ethnic cleansing and the UN sanctioed colonization of the Palestinian Homeland,home to Palestinian Christians,Jews and Muslims,where the European/American, etc., Diaspora was allowed to put aside their pledge of “Never Again”,and do unto another innocent and vulnerable People what was done to them by another victimizer,the Nazi’s.Perhaps this may be considered a “special case” of colonization,given it was once the ancient Homeland to the Jewish People.That being the case,I would plead a similarlly “special case” for Europeans returning to their ancient African Homeland,the origins of Mankind.
              But, yes,”God Bless America and all who serve”.

        • “It wouldn’t suit our agenda, but I suspect it would suit yours.”

          Thank you, Richard. Well said.

          • ““It wouldn’t suit our agenda, but I suspect it would suit yours.”
            “Thank you, Richard. Well said.”

            Hey,man,you seem to forget that I’m the good guy here…..or am I being a wee bit presumptuous?
            My apologies,Gentleman.I will try to abide by the Rules,” No hitting below the belt, holding, tripping, kicking, headbutting, wrestling, biting, spitting on, or pushing your opponent. You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow.”

            • No you aren’t the good guy, although in you view of hte world only someone with you twisted view of history can be considered good. You are one of those who call everyone who disagrees with you evil and fascist so that it is allowable to use violence against us. Future historians will call you the bad buy who worked to destroy civilization.

              • “Future historians will call you the bad buy who worked to destroy civilization”

                Well,if that is indeed the case,let’s hope my agenda fails,eh.

      • “Replace the aluminum cladding.Or would you rather it remain? Maybe that would suit your agenda,eh?”

        Ask yourself this: “How did the Grenfell Tower stand for so long without combusting until just recently (flammable cladding or not)?

        While the presence of substandard building materials is both illegal and reprehensible, it still takes some sort of event to trigger their ignition … as in, these panels do not tend to spontaneously combust.

        It seems fairly clear that you are unfamiliar with how there are repeated (and well-documented) cases of Muslims (from all classes) who attempt to light cooking fires … be it on a hotel room floor or inside the cabin of an in-flight passenger jet airliner.

        Given this conflagration’s Ramadan time frame, it is simply impossible to ignore the possibility that such an event came about due to the profound ignorance and all-too-typical lack of regard for fire codes assimilation displayed by so many Muslim and African “immigrants”. Take that as you will. Speaking of which, try watching this video of an “immigrant” doing his washing up in a European town square without vomiting:

        https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ba4_1479254318

        PS: Your insinuation that I would tolerate building code violations if only they managed to result in “immigrant” fatalities speaks infinitely more about your own despicable biases than my frustration over EU elites flooding Europe with submorons of any nationality or credo.

        Just in case you’re immune to the obvious, please do not anticipate me responding to any other replies that you might leave here. This one was quite enough after the few others I was foolish enough to comment upon.

        • “PS: Your insinuation that I would tolerate building code violations if only they managed to result in “immigrant” fatalities speaks infinitely more about your own despicable biases than my frustration over EU elites flooding Europe with submorons of any nationality or credo.”

          The West likely has as many Islamophobes as it does Islamic Fundamentalists.Both present their own dangers to our western liberal democracies and values and we must be vigilant to both.You don’t pull your punches so why should I? I have no problem with you holding my feet to the fire,as I do yours.That’s what this site is all about,isn’t it? Confronting difficult issues that threaten our way of life means there is a lot at stake.I’ve personally confronted such issues in the Rhodesian bush.And yea,come up short.

          • “The West likely has as many Islamophobes as it does Islamic Fundamentalists.”

            INSANE. NO HOPE OF RECONCILIATION.

            Ron Grant, you just proved yourself to be both utterly ignorant and a hopeless fellow traveler of Islam. I have no pity for you nor a willingness to engage in further discourse.