Beirut used to be called, “The Paris of the East”. Well that is sort of true again actually as its hard to tell the two cities apart in some areas. But London seems well on it’s way to being “The Lahore of the West”
The mother of Shafilea Ahmed saw her husband attack her daughter on the night she disappeared, a court has heard.
Farzana Ahmed had previously denied seeing any attack on 11 September 2003 but has now changed her defence, the prosecution told Chester Crown Court.
Mrs Ahmed, 49, and her husband Iftikhar, 52, both deny murdering their daughter at their Warrington home.
The 17-year-old’s remains were found near the River Kent, Cumbria, in 2004.
Henry Riding, prosecuting, told the jury the new defence case statement contained an admission from Mrs Ahmed that an “incident of violence” towards Shafilea did occur.
‘Punched by husband’
It said Mrs Ahmed came downstairs to find her husband attacking Shafilea.
She claims she tried to intervene but was “punched with a clenched fist” and went upstairs with the other children as she was “scared”.
She said she went back downstairs 20 minutes later and asked where Shafilea was.
She alleges Mr Ahmed replied: “If you care for your dear life and that of your children don’t ever ask me this question again.”
Muslims do have a system of respect, mannerisms, conduct, some may call it “honour”. Its values we hold dear and we will hold onto. Go out on a friday night and look at how the English girls behave, drunk, vomiting on the streets, stumble around as they are so intoxicated, do you think this is how Muslims want to behave? Not at all. Its not just Muslims who live by this code of “izzet”, most south asians, orientals, africans hold similar values. I am proud of these values, and proud to say yes, honour is important to me and my family. As for honour killings, these are rare and completely unjustified. But when you talk of honour, trust me when I say honour and izzet is important to many.
The number of ‘native’ British women killed by their native British husbands in domestic violence absolutely swamps the number of ‘honour killings’. But ‘honour killings’ in the Asian community is given all the attention. British families would give the same responses if you asked ‘would you be tempted to take action if someone had raped your daughter?’. Thus ‘proving’ that most Brits approve of honour killings. Violence against women in one form or another is cross cultural. One only needs to look at the domestic violence statistics. And not to forget that domestic violence against men is quite common too, but not spoken off. This is yet another bash the Muslims article and then everyone wonders why the community feels so alienated. All those who are making references to Islam with respect to honour killings I would just like to point out that it is not an Islamic issue. Honour killings have a cultural basis NOT RELIGIOUS!! the concept of bringing dishonour on the family is a cultural one totally. And honour killings are prevalent amongst all ethnic minorities amongst them are SIKHS, HINDUS, BHUDDISTS, etc!! Stop making Islam a scapegoat!
The one in 5 (not two thirds) agree that they should live by ‘izzat’ which is morals and respect NOT honour based violence. Anyone who thinks this is wrong is a binge drinking, uneducated, moral-less fool whose opinions most Muslims couldn’t care less about.
Living by honour is a good thing. Everyone has some honour in thier families
To be fair, 1 in 5 people from any race, class, grouping or nation will probably be in favour of some sort of violence against people who break a traditional social norm, like wanting to remove the queen, enjoying recreational drugs, falsely claiming benefits. Just saying, every group of people has those that tend towards violence when everyone else thinks it’s a bad idea. Easy for English people to say all they do is sleep around and get wasted when weekend comes, majority of ur children are without parents. Filthy people don’t judge Muslims way of life.
Also the term ‘honour’ can refer to a great many things ranging from not getting knocked up outside of marriage to living your life according to a set moral standards…respect, helping others, charity…these all fall under Asian honour code. As a muslim, we have a duty to preserve honour in the family in what ever means necessary. Violence should be last resort but can be done if no alternative. Honour allows family members and people to act respectfully and honorably and know the consequences if they didnt. Anyone who doesnt cannot love their family enough
Honour killing and female infanticide come from Pagan-Hindu-Judeo-Christian traditions. Hindus idolise women as Goddesses on one hand, while downgrading them on the sly at the same time. There is nothing in the Holy Quran and the Hadiths that may encourage people to kill their daughters. Infact, Islam came to abolish the dark ages of Pagan- Hindu –Judeo- Christian traditions. Islam is a matter of choice and there is no compulsion at all. It is a misconception that forced marriage and honour killing are part of Muslim culture. Forced marriage, honour killing and genital mutilation are rare practices among migrant communities. Muslim migrants are worried about institutional racism, binge drinking, drug addiction, incivility, gun and knife crimes, high rate of abortions and teen age pregnancies. An average of 20 English girls under the age of 16 falls pregnant every day. Muslim parents do not want their children to be integrated into such barbarity. Muslim women feel torn between two cultures, thanks to the British education system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. It makes their lives very confusing.
Plenty of women have been killed in the UK by men and others, for various reasons. How many articles have been on here about men killing their wives and children for wanting a divorce? How many men have killed their girlfriends or wives for cheating on them? One too many. Those are also all the same. The skin colour of the perpetrator or victim doesn’t change the category of crime. ALL murders have a motive, and you’ve been dealing with domestic violence for centuries now. Why more outraged over this but not the others? Are the other victims less worthy of attention just because they were killed by “white British” people?
A girl murdered by her boyfriend, happens all over the World, how is that a honour killing? Will you please stop calling murder honour killing
Western media please do not use the term ‘honour killing’. There is nothing to honour in murder.
“And honour killings are prevalent amongst all ethnic minorities amongst them are SIKHS, HINDUS, BHUDDISTS, etc!! Stop making Islam a scapegoat! ”
I can understand that you do not want your daughter to become a slut, but then you should not allow your son to become a player, and take advantage of, or even promoting the sluttery of someone else’s daughter. I am a bit sick and tired of the Muslim double standard when it comes to sex. Should we reverse the double standard, and groom Pakistani girls, while keeping British girls from Pakistani men?
“As a muslim, we have a duty to preserve honour in the family in what ever means necessary. Violence should be last resort but can be done if no alternative. Honour allows family members and people to act respectfully and honorably and know the consequences if they didnt. Anyone who doesnt cannot love their family enough”
Aaaahhh! Finally, a Muslim who admits that honor, and therefore honor killing, is part of Islam. I admire your honesty.