10 Replies to “Turkish megamosque a symbol of Islamic primacy in Germany?”
In Turkey, the Turks are losing influence to the Kurds. As the Kurds are very Muslim, Islam can’t help the Turks. We could use Turkish Nationalism to weaken Islam in Turkey.
That is a dangerous game to play, it has a habit of coming back to bite you, also I doubt if the West could keep their involvement quiet, something that if vital if the effort is to succeed.
The Mosque is definitely a political statement, just about everything they do has some political content.
A mosque is a perfect analogue for a beachhead. There is a religious veneer to it, but it is a beachhead for ALL intents and for all purposes and then some.
@Richard
Dangerous yes, but not as dangerous as reviving German Nationalism. In Germany, Nationalism is severely repressed. In Turkey, Nationalism is nearly mainstream. It should not be the West, but us, a dedicated vanguard, that does so. If possible, learn Turkish.
German nationalism was revived when the two Germany’s were reunited.
People are very scared of nationalism these days based on the leftist attacks on nationalism and patriotism. What isn’t taught is that the enlightenment and the Renaissance, brought about by nationalism, and nationalism is what will save western culture.
As for German nationalism, prior to the raise of Fascism and Hitler Germany was considered to be the most civilized nation on earth, their nationalism doesn’t have to go in the direction of fascism, and won’t unless people force it by refusing to address the legitimate concerns of the Germans.
Well then, go ahead and try responsible German Nationalism. Nevertheless, a responsible Turkish Nationalism should also be possible, or what else should Turkey try?
Turkey tried secularism through most of the 20th Century, it was kept in power by the military when the west forced the Turkish military to stop interfering in politics the Islamists too over by popular vote.
Turks that consists of predominantly Asiatic are using mosques and Islam to threaten the West into submission. That is another of their Asiatic dominate via Islam. Those Asians are well known for their disgusting arrogance. Even those Malaysian Moslem(woman without head covering) broadcaster who broadcast the news in Malaysia spoke with their typical moslems style of arrogance.
Asiatics are known to use various(inferior and inhumane) methods to dominate the Westerners. Islam is just another one of their intolerant ideology or tactic that is being used to threaten the West and us nonbelievers, who support the freedom of Western civilisation.
The significance of a mosque is not lost on muslims and that significance is one of symbolism, That symbolism can be found reflected in the Wiki listings of mosques where the height of the minaret is listed…a sort of islamic contest wrought from penis envy.
This then continues to the impact muslim leaders seek with respect to surrounding communities, specifically the surrounding community if largely populated by non-believers.
The intent of the mosque is to intimidate and to act as an indicator or mulsim presence and power. Internally, mosques are simply nothing more than political planning centers, centers for the raising of funds for Jihad and centers used to spread the word of JIhad to the flock.
The mosque is simply another instrument of power and authority in the hands of the mullahs and imams. Look to the the use of outdoor prayer by these same islamic political leaders. Outdoor prayer comes wrapped in the robes, sniffling anf weeping, as a symptom of the poor muslim who has little else but to grovel in the dirt of the street to pray……this is a farce, a distraction and little more than a mechanism to twist public sentiment…….and its very successful.
Muslim outdoor prayer is designed for simply the purposes of aggression, domination and hostile threat and intimidation. It is designed to silence and frighten the local population of non muslims…..and its incredibly successful.
In closing….and in reference to the mosques……the funding of this mosque in Germany comes from Turkey…..and are we so dull witted as to have already forgotten what the Prime Minister of Turkey once said about mosques?……
I quote….
“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers”
-Recep Tayyid Erdogan
What part of this advancement do we not understand…..if we are not aware that muslims have declared war on the West……then we are little more than a sorry collection of the willfully deaf, dumb and blind…
Regards, Don Laird
Edson, Alberta, Canada
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In Turkey, the Turks are losing influence to the Kurds. As the Kurds are very Muslim, Islam can’t help the Turks. We could use Turkish Nationalism to weaken Islam in Turkey.
That is a dangerous game to play, it has a habit of coming back to bite you, also I doubt if the West could keep their involvement quiet, something that if vital if the effort is to succeed.
The Mosque is definitely a political statement, just about everything they do has some political content.
A mosque is a perfect analogue for a beachhead. There is a religious veneer to it, but it is a beachhead for ALL intents and for all purposes and then some.
@Richard
Dangerous yes, but not as dangerous as reviving German Nationalism. In Germany, Nationalism is severely repressed. In Turkey, Nationalism is nearly mainstream. It should not be the West, but us, a dedicated vanguard, that does so. If possible, learn Turkish.
German nationalism was revived when the two Germany’s were reunited.
People are very scared of nationalism these days based on the leftist attacks on nationalism and patriotism. What isn’t taught is that the enlightenment and the Renaissance, brought about by nationalism, and nationalism is what will save western culture.
As for German nationalism, prior to the raise of Fascism and Hitler Germany was considered to be the most civilized nation on earth, their nationalism doesn’t have to go in the direction of fascism, and won’t unless people force it by refusing to address the legitimate concerns of the Germans.
Well then, go ahead and try responsible German Nationalism. Nevertheless, a responsible Turkish Nationalism should also be possible, or what else should Turkey try?
Turkey tried secularism through most of the 20th Century, it was kept in power by the military when the west forced the Turkish military to stop interfering in politics the Islamists too over by popular vote.
Turks that consists of predominantly Asiatic are using mosques and Islam to threaten the West into submission. That is another of their Asiatic dominate via Islam. Those Asians are well known for their disgusting arrogance. Even those Malaysian Moslem(woman without head covering) broadcaster who broadcast the news in Malaysia spoke with their typical moslems style of arrogance.
Asiatics are known to use various(inferior and inhumane) methods to dominate the Westerners. Islam is just another one of their intolerant ideology or tactic that is being used to threaten the West and us nonbelievers, who support the freedom of Western civilisation.
The significance of a mosque is not lost on muslims and that significance is one of symbolism, That symbolism can be found reflected in the Wiki listings of mosques where the height of the minaret is listed…a sort of islamic contest wrought from penis envy.
This then continues to the impact muslim leaders seek with respect to surrounding communities, specifically the surrounding community if largely populated by non-believers.
The intent of the mosque is to intimidate and to act as an indicator or mulsim presence and power. Internally, mosques are simply nothing more than political planning centers, centers for the raising of funds for Jihad and centers used to spread the word of JIhad to the flock.
The mosque is simply another instrument of power and authority in the hands of the mullahs and imams. Look to the the use of outdoor prayer by these same islamic political leaders. Outdoor prayer comes wrapped in the robes, sniffling anf weeping, as a symptom of the poor muslim who has little else but to grovel in the dirt of the street to pray……this is a farce, a distraction and little more than a mechanism to twist public sentiment…….and its very successful.
Muslim outdoor prayer is designed for simply the purposes of aggression, domination and hostile threat and intimidation. It is designed to silence and frighten the local population of non muslims…..and its incredibly successful.
In closing….and in reference to the mosques……the funding of this mosque in Germany comes from Turkey…..and are we so dull witted as to have already forgotten what the Prime Minister of Turkey once said about mosques?……
I quote….
“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers”
-Recep Tayyid Erdogan
What part of this advancement do we not understand…..if we are not aware that muslims have declared war on the West……then we are little more than a sorry collection of the willfully deaf, dumb and blind…
Regards, Don Laird
Edson, Alberta, Canada