About Eeyore

Canadian artist and counter-jihad and freedom of speech activist as well as devout Schrödinger's catholic

29 Replies to “Tommy and the EDL”

  1. There is no difference between EDL and QUILLIAM Foundation. Both are extremists.

    A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children’s faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the “problem of them being exposed” to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city’s state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is “European and Christian”.

    Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture.

    The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 188 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers.

    You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands. British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.

    A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
    IA
    London School of Islamics Trust
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

  2. When the Muslim population hits 10-12 % they will be as irritating as African Americans. They’ll probably get a PM elected.

  3. Iftikhar is here again. What a colostomy bag. He keeps inventing ways to “measure a civilization” that advantage him and his islamic supremacist agenda.

    If a civilization caves in to violent supremacist superstitious BS then its not a civilization Iftikhar. And as usual I cannot read past a bad premise. This is why I never read past the first or second sentence of any of his posts. If you base an argument on thin ice on a hot day then there is simply no point in moving any furniture into the condo built on it.

  4. Hello there…..its me again……..Don Laird…………..

    I highly recommend reading much of the posts from the power-blogs that are providing a review of the EDL meltdown.

    The comments section of the GOV post on the EDL are full of sage observations but the best I have, for your convenience, copy and pasted below.

    I for one, very much enjoy a student of history who provides a historical perspective in relation to his outrage…….well done Takuan!!!!

    Enjoy,

    Regards, Don Laird
    Dogtown Bastard,
    Alberta, Canada

    Takuan Seiyo on October 8, 2013 at 2:34 pm said:

    I am sorry, I cannot agree with this benign assessment. These two men were leaders of thousands. Leadership calls for special qualities. They are traitors not only to their professed ideas but also to their followers.

    A married Christ with children would certainly not have caved in, and there are quite a few of his utterances in the NT to support this assertion. Moreover, thousands of Christians under Roman persecution knew what the consequence would be to themselves and to their families, yet persevered. The Jews too have stories like that, e.g. Hannah sacrificing her seven sons in the 2nd Book of Maccabbees rather than sacrificing the belief that was animating them. Moreover, and that’s the most important point, contemporary Muslims are willing to die for their belief, and to sacrifice their families. There are several stories of Palestinian mothers losing a son who was a suicide bomber, and offering their remaining sons for the same task.

    There are countless examples of Russian dissidents under Lenin and Stalin who knew they were risking death for themselves and Siberia for their families, yet they persevered. Moreover, they would indeed be murdered by the state and their families would be sent to Siberia, there to die as often as not, yet it did not deter further dissidents.

    Poland’s greatest contemporary poet, Zbigniew Herbert, spent his post-war years under the commies in near starvation for himself and his family, denied the possibilities of employment, recognition and even publishing, yet he never wavered in his opposition to communism that he expressed incomparably in his works. He watched a lesser talent, Czeslaw Milosz, who was willing to “bend a little,” garner the easy life and eventually the Nobel Prize — and still Herbert did not cave.

    In German resistance too there are many examples. Stauffenberg knew exactly what would happen to him and his family if his plot would be discovered. Indeed, while his own last words before his execution were “Long live our sacred Germany!”, his brother would be strangled by the state — repeat, by the state — with piano wire, his wife would be forced into destitution, and his five children would be forcibly placed in foster homes under new family names. And how much more was this wealthy and provileged aristocrat-warrior risking than Robinson and Carroll were.

    All of the British Isles cannot produce leaders who, to save their people from the totalitarian ideology of a metastasized state, are willing to risk jail for themselves and starvation for their families? How far will such attitude take Britons and the rest of us versus the courageous determination (whatever else one might say about it) of the Muslims? This is a historical black day that will live in infamy.

  5. A civilization that caves in to an alien creed in the span of 30 years, a civilization that hands over ancient rights like Double Jeopardy because a stabbing happened, a civilization that dispossesses and deracinates its own children and surrenders a capital city is no civilization at all.
    If a civilization accepts a hostile supremacist religious minority and allows that religion to attack the host and supplant it, civilization ceases.

  6. Hello there…..its me again………..Don Laird

    Tonight I have had my supper menu written for me……by the EDL and Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carrol.

    Less than 3 months ago, almost to the day, after another in a long list of his harrassment arrests, I wrote the comment below…….and in retrospect…….more the bloody fool me, more the bloody fool me…….excuse me as I stuff another slice of humble pie in my cakehole…..wedging it past both of my feet…….

    Regards, Don Laird
    Dogtown Bastard
    Alberta, Canada

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    Don Laird on July 10, 2013 at 3:11 pm said:

    Hello there……..its me again……….Don Laird…………

    It has always been the few that pave the way for the many……it always has been and always will be. To state otherwise is to deny human nature and the frailty of the human condition.

    This said, it speaks of outrage, grievous injury and righteous indignation, whilst casting one’s life and the sum total of ones worth into the arena of champions and patriots, to look over ones shoulder and find the duplicitous, the faint of heart, the cowards, the indecisive, the reformed treasonous and treacherous and legions of hypocrites, all standing on one’s coattails all whilst trying to save a nation from those lunatics who smear the excrement of 7th century barbarism on that which birthed and nourished all those coattail riders.

    But these are the few…..this is their lot…….and these are the paths they trod and the paths they now tread……these are the men and women who are the quintessential example of what we all can be, what we all need to be in order to wrest the fate of Western Civilization from the hands of barbarians and the gut wrenchingly treasonous.

    I am reminded of the penultimate paragraph of James Fenimore Cooper’s classic, “The Deerslayer”……….he writes……

    “We live in a world of transgressions and selfishness, and no pictures that represent us otherwise can be true; though happily for human nature, gleamings of that pure spirit in whose likeness man has been fashioned are to be seen, relieving its deformities, and mitigating, if not excusing its crimes. ”

    Flammen and Citronen are two of those gleamings.

    Alexsander Solzhenitsyn is one of those gleamings.

    Jean Moulin is one of those gleamings.

    Violette Bushell Szabo is one of those gleamings.

    Abba Kovner is one of those gleamings.

    These are the gleamings of who we can be and of who we should be…….these are the gleamings of that which forms the crucible from which is wrought a guard that stand in defiance of those who would do them and all they hold dear, harm……..these are the gleamings that, purposefully ignorant of all costs, clench their fists, grit their teeth and, turning into the wind to face the storm…..spit in the face of their enemies.

    It seems Tommy Robinson has chosen a gleaming path and as such there are those who, long since gone, a small but very exclusive collection of guardians, are given cause to look over their shoulders from points providential and say……..”here comes another, watch over him and in his hour of greatest need, whisper in his ear and tell him that he has chosen well and that history and his generations hence will speak well of him and honour him”.

    While I speak not ill of martyrs and of those who leave this life with the inimitable grace of Perpetua……..Tommy Robinson has chosen not to spend his life and what remains of it, on his knees, living a life of quiet desperation, living a life of abject degradation and humiliation, his throat laid bare to animals, the filthy bootheel of islamism on his neck…….Tommy Robinson has taken a leadership role…….and he has told his people..”do as I do….follow me”

    http://www.jeanleongerome.org/The-Christian-Martyrs%27-Last-Prayer-large.html

    I wish Tommy Robinson and all those who love him and those he loves……I wish them all very well. I wish them good health, I wish them good fortune and I wish them all a seat at the head of the table of a new England. I wish all the members of the English Defence League well…..Godspeed to each and every one.

    As for the remainder of the citizens of England, I hope that they will chose not the path of those “that slumber by a slowly dying fire”

    I close with the words of of my very good friend, Victorian poet laureate, Alfred Lord Tennyson:

    Slowly comes a hungry people, as a lion, creeping nigher,
    Glares at one that nods and winks behind a slowly-dying fire. ”

    -Locksley Hall
    Alfred Lord Tennyson.

    Regards Don Laird
    Dogtown Bastard
    Alberta, Canada

  7. Iftikhar? Not the one that wants state funded Muslim schools in Arabic, Urdu etc. OMG, it is the same.

    He is a pest. Even when told by blogsite owners, told that his comments are repetitive and obnoxious, he still continues to crash in. It is typical of Muslims that they have no sense of honour or shame. If I was not wanted in a country that I had emigrated to, my sense of self respect would force me to get out asap. Not with Muslims though – no shame and no self-respect.

  8. Don and dan

    I agree with both of you.

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote

    To stand up for truth is nothing. For truth, you must sit in jail. You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.

    The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world.

    In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.

    If I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible what was the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: ‘Men had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.’

    A decline in courage may be the most striking feature that an outside observer notices in the West today. The Western world has lost its civic courage . . . . Such a decline in courage is particularly noticeable among the ruling and intellectual elite, causing an impression of a loss of courage by the entire society.

  9. Hello Dp111

    Vlads website is acting up again so my original post that disappeared will probably appear soon, until then……

    I am eating my words tonight……here is a post I made 3 months ago on GOV when Tommy was arrested, and now I feel, among other things…a complete ass….that I could have been such a poor judge of character

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    Don Laird on July 10, 2013 at 3:11 pm said:

    Hello there……..its me again……….Don Laird…………

    It has always been the few that pave the way for the many……it always has been and always will be. To state otherwise is to deny human nature and the frailty of the human condition.

    This said, it speaks of outrage, grievous injury and righteous indignation, whilst casting one’s life and the sum total of ones worth into the arena of champions and patriots, to look over ones shoulder and find the duplicitous, the faint of heart, the cowards, the indecisive, the reformed treasonous and treacherous and legions of hypocrites, all standing on one’s coattails all whilst trying to save a nation from those lunatics who smear the excrement of 7th century barbarism on that which birthed and nourished all those coattail riders.

    But these are the few…..this is their lot…….and these are the paths they trod and the paths they now tread……these are the men and women who are the quintessential example of what we all can be, what we all need to be in order to wrest the fate of Western Civilization from the hands of barbarians and the gut wrenchingly treasonous.

    I am reminded of the penultimate paragraph of James Fenimore Cooper’s classic, “The Deerslayer”……….he writes……

    “We live in a world of transgressions and selfishness, and no pictures that represent us otherwise can be true; though happily for human nature, gleamings of that pure spirit in whose likeness man has been fashioned are to be seen, relieving its deformities, and mitigating, if not excusing its crimes. ”

    Flammen and Citronen are two of those gleamings.

    Alexsander Solzhenitsyn is one of those gleamings.

    Jean Moulin is one of those gleamings.

    Violette Bushell Szabo is one of those gleamings.

    Abba Kovner is one of those gleamings.

    These are the gleamings of who we can be and of who we should be…….these are the gleamings of that which forms the crucible from which is wrought a guard that stand in defiance of those who would do them and all they hold dear, harm……..these are the gleamings that, purposefully ignorant of all costs, clench their fists, grit their teeth and, turning into the wind to face the storm…..spit in the face of their enemies.

    It seems Tommy Robinson has chosen a gleaming path and as such there are those who, long since gone, a small but very exclusive collection of guardians, are given cause to look over their shoulders from points providential and say……..”here comes another, watch over him and in his hour of greatest need, whisper in his ear and tell him that he has chosen well and that history and his generations hence will speak well of him and honour him”.

    While I speak not ill of martyrs and of those who leave this life with the inimitable grace of Perpetua……..Tommy Robinson has chosen not to spend his life and what remains of it, on his knees, living a life of quiet desperation, living a life of abject degradation and humiliation, his throat laid bare to animals, the filthy bootheel of islamism on his neck…….Tommy Robinson has taken a leadership role…….and he has told his people..”do as I do….follow me”

    http://www.jeanleongerome.org/The-Christian-Martyrs%27-Last-Prayer-large.html

    I wish Tommy Robinson and all those who love him and those he loves……I wish them all very well. I wish them good health, I wish them good fortune and I wish them all a seat at the head of the table of a new England. I wish all the members of the English Defence League well…..Godspeed to each and every one.

    As for the remainder of the citizens of England, I hope that they will chose not the path of those “that slumber by a slowly dying fire”

    I close with the words of of my very good friend, Victorian poet laureate, Alfred Lord Tennyson:

    Slowly comes a hungry people, as a lion, creeping nigher,
    Glares at one that nods and winks behind a slowly-dying fire. ”

    -Locksley Hall
    Alfred Lord Tennyson.

    Regards Don Laird
    Dogtown Bastard
    Alberta, Canada

  10. Don and dan

    Let us look at this again.

    The EDL has been totally infiltrated by MI5 and other security agencies. It has also been demonised and marginalised, and its leaders terrorised. The Quilliam foundation is a UK government funded organisation, so it does what the government wants or it gets the EDL treatment.

    This is beginning to look like one of John le Carre’s stories, where no one knows who is pulling whose strings.

    I have had this hunch for a long while, that we are all being gulled. For what purpose I do not know, but it will end in disaster for one, or worse, for all.

  11. Hello DP111

    Tonight i am eating my words……these words I left on GOV in support of T. Robinson after his last arrest back in July of this year…..here is the comment……..more the bloody fool me.

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    Don Laird on July 10, 2013 at 3:11 pm said:

    Hello there……..its me again……….Don Laird…………

    It has always been the few that pave the way for the many……it always has been and always will be. To state otherwise is to deny human nature and the frailty of the human condition.

    This said, it speaks of outrage, grievous injury and righteous indignation, whilst casting one’s life and the sum total of ones worth into the arena of champions and patriots, to look over ones shoulder and find the duplicitous, the faint of heart, the cowards, the indecisive, the reformed treasonous and treacherous and legions of hypocrites, all standing on one’s coattails all whilst trying to save a nation from those lunatics who smear the excrement of 7th century barbarism on that which birthed and nourished all those coattail riders.

    But these are the few…..this is their lot…….and these are the paths they trod and the paths they now tread……these are the men and women who are the quintessential example of what we all can be, what we all need to be in order to wrest the fate of Western Civilization from the hands of barbarians and the gut wrenchingly treasonous.

    I am reminded of the penultimate paragraph of James Fenimore Cooper’s classic, “The Deerslayer”……….he writes……

    “We live in a world of transgressions and selfishness, and no pictures that represent us otherwise can be true; though happily for human nature, gleamings of that pure spirit in whose likeness man has been fashioned are to be seen, relieving its deformities, and mitigating, if not excusing its crimes. ”

    Flammen and Citronen are two of those gleamings.

    Alexsander Solzhenitsyn is one of those gleamings.

    Jean Moulin is one of those gleamings.

    Violette Bushell Szabo is one of those gleamings.

    Abba Kovner is one of those gleamings.

    These are the gleamings of who we can be and of who we should be…….these are the gleamings of that which forms the crucible from which is wrought a guard that stand in defiance of those who would do them and all they hold dear, harm……..these are the gleamings that, purposefully ignorant of all costs, clench their fists, grit their teeth and, turning into the wind to face the storm…..spit in the face of their enemies.

    It seems Tommy Robinson has chosen a gleaming path and as such there are those who, long since gone, a small but very exclusive collection of guardians, are given cause to look over their shoulders from points providential and say……..”here comes another, watch over him and in his hour of greatest need, whisper in his ear and tell him that he has chosen well and that history and his generations hence will speak well of him and honour him”.

    While I speak not ill of martyrs and of those who leave this life with the inimitable grace of Perpetua……..Tommy Robinson has chosen not to spend his life and what remains of it, on his knees, living a life of quiet desperation, living a life of abject degradation and humiliation, his throat laid bare to animals, the filthy bootheel of islamism on his neck…….Tommy Robinson has taken a leadership role…….and he has told his people..”do as I do….follow me”

    http://www.jeanleongerome.org/The-Christian-Martyrs%27-Last-Prayer-large.html

    I wish Tommy Robinson and all those who love him and those he loves……I wish them all very well. I wish them good health, I wish them good fortune and I wish them all a seat at the head of the table of a new England. I wish all the members of the English Defence League well…..Godspeed to each and every one.

    As for the remainder of the citizens of England, I hope that they will chose not the path of those “that slumber by a slowly dying fire”

    I close with the words of of my very good friend, Victorian poet laureate, Alfred Lord Tennyson:

    Slowly comes a hungry people, as a lion, creeping nigher,
    Glares at one that nods and winks behind a slowly-dying fire. ”

    -Locksley Hall
    Alfred Lord Tennyson.

    Regards Don Laird
    Dogtown Bastard
    Alberta, Canada

  12. Elliot Prior has more balls than Tommy Robinson at the end of the day.

    Elliot is the fine lad who told off a Jihadi gunman in the Nairobi Mall and saved his mum.

  13. Tommy set himself up with the dangerous game of the potential Martyr.

    What he forgot is that a man’s final weapon is his life. If he is afraid to lose that weapon he fails for all eternity.

    He’ll be forgotten soon enough. He’s no Churchill, no Kitchener and he’s certainly not a Gordon or a Nelson. No Watt Tyler no Harold Godwinson.

    He could have had it all.

  14. Tommy Robinson has been through hell for over four years both from the terrorists and their allies like the sleazy treasonous bastard in this video.

    They haven’t been able to prevent infiltration from MI-5, terrorist loving leftists or from actual fascists.

    The state feared what it MIGHT become some day in a cowards hypothetical imaginings. The leftists wanted to destroy them because they weren’t communists and out of the petty game of positioning. The actual fascists wanted to exploit and co-opt them. As a non radical populist movement the the EDL was just too big a prize for those vultures. And the terrorists wanted to delegitimize and demonize them so people would be afraid to stand up against terrorism in future.

    Add to that the racist level of contempt the Brisith right and left both have for the working class.

    While I lauded and defended them all over the internet from day one. I can see how all that infiltration makes it a dead end and can understand why Mr. Robinson thinks that changing tactics can be beneficial.

    The bottom line is that British society listens to snobs while heaping contempt upon working class people when they say the same things.

    So I can see why he would think such a move is a good tactical decision.

    The danger is the possibility that those who councilled him to do this- may think he will have little to no effect in that millieu and that’s why they want him to move to it. I’m sure he has enough savvy to be aware of that possibility.

  15. He’s finished.
    He’s going to be kissing the Koran soon enough. If he were honest he’d admit there is a racial element to the process of Islamization too. Communism was a front for a variety of racial antagonisms in practice.

  16. PS (as in Pre-Scriptum): @ Eeyore: You call this iftakakawhatever a “colostomy bag” hehe, not a bad one but too generous methinks. While, as far as I know, a “colostomy bag” effects some containment, this guy’s incontenance entitles him at best to be compared to a “colostomy bag” with a 1001 holes.

    Tommy Robinson

    I will follow your advice and go over to look at Gates of Vienna’s take on it. From what I read here so far (and after listening to the bullying of this rainbow-tie wearing chanel 4 vermin, who should never be left without supervision in the presence of children, nor should anyone at the BBC !), it is Truthiocity who gets it, in my opinion. Well said!

    For me personally, Tommy Robinson has done enough already to remain a hero for me forever.

    I am as cowardly as the next keyboard warrior and would never expose myself to a sliver of the danger that Tommy Robinson has already faced and will be facing to the end of his days. Would you – yes YOU who criticise him and evoke mythological heros of the past blablabla – have gone to prison, been arrested I dont know how many times, have your wife and children and mother threatened – in detail – as to what will be done to them, and disregard all this – stepping over them and into martyrdom like the most brainless jihadist? Don’t answer this, and have a look in the metaphorical mirror !

    St. George slew a dragon (from vague memory), Tommy Robinson is fighting a Hydra – every one of whose 8 heads regrows as fast as it is cut off.

    I salute you, Tommy Robinson!

  17. He put himself in a spot where he courted martyrdom (real martyrdom) and flinched.
    Meanwhile the proportion of the population is increasingly Muslim.

  18. PS: having looked up the “facilitators” of Tommy’s move to their “Think Tank”, I now would just add a little correction to Truthiocity’s following para:

    “…The danger is the possibility that those who councilled him to do this- may think he will have little to no effect in that millieu and that’s why they want him to move to it. I’m sure he has enough savvy to be aware of that possibility….”

    Having seen their profiles, I would replace “possibility” with “high probability”.

  19. This is a very interesting development. I am not going to speculate why Tommy became a Muslim.

    I know the article doesn’t say that but the Quilliam looks like a version of what the British government wants Islam to be. He isn’t the first person that was anti-Islam that became a Muslim and he will not be the last.

    Reality is often better then the best fiction writers.

  20. yucki said, “sure hope you’re wrong, Ox”

    I doubt I am wrong.

    I was going to write why I believe this. But I just deleted it.

    Two thing I will say, we may never know. Which is fine by me
    Read some history about the greatest fighters against Islam.

  21. Ox AO -“Reality is often better then the best fiction writers.”

    I can’t add anything but that I’ve been telling friends who like science fiction and haven’t been following this story particularly that they are missing out. It’s better than most of the pablum on offer on the big screen, darker, grimmer, more Orwellian – Ingsoc, the Two Minutes Hate, a Ministry of Truth, the whole schmear. Now the telecast confession. The rainbow tie that Rita pointed out is a sinister-clown touch, and the candy-coloured set.

  22. @iftikhara:
    “Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the “problem of them being exposed” to values that conflict with Islamic faith.”
    But you see, we don’t approve of the values that are in accordyance with the islamic faith. I personally am offended by the sayings of Mohammud, I personally am offended by your so-called ‘respect towards women’, treating us as though we were unworthy of equality.
    So why would I agree to having children taught *your* values, when they are obvioulsly contrary to mine? Why not go live in Saudi?

    Mr. Robinson is right, the EDL has been so thoroughly infiltrated and abused that it is no longer possible for it to work. Time to infiltrate the UAF and try to teach them the meaning of the word fascist.

  23. @iftikhara

    We in the civilised West don’t approve of the values taught by the islamic faith. We would much prefer that such practices as polygamy, wife beating, sex slavery, honour killing, paedophile gangs, misogyny, homophobia, anti-Semitism, hate preaching, ritual sacrifice, and terrorism were not permitted in our fair countries. We have no desire whatsoever to live under the mores and customs of primitive Dark Age barbarians enshrined as a quasi-legal code. With its one rule for the Muslim ummah and another for the sub-human kuffar, and its valuation of women as only half that of men, sharia offers the complete opposite of any civilised concept of justice.

    If you wish Muslim children to be taught according to islamic values then I suggest they should be educated in one of the many existing islamic countries. You are free to make your own choice of where to go, and I can assure you that you will not be missed.

  24. No one has mentioned this but it was actually robinson keeping the edl thugs in line. I expect the edl to break off into smaller radical regional cells. This is potentially very dangerous. I read these blogs over the years, and have found my political identity as a ukip voter. As the son of a muslim i welcome any move to join together to fight extremism. As seen in egypt many muslims want to free themseles from islamic tyranny. ExTremism of any kind is wrong

  25. The problem is that the disease is anti-nationalism and the synptoms are mass-immigration, multicultrualism and Islamism.TR was trying to treat just one symptom rather then the disease itself.

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