This story is a classic example of why one should be careful making jokes about logical extremes. You know its just giving another data point to the fascists. When the smoking ban was imposed on Ottawa Canada the numbers where about identical to the numbers shown below in Holland and the results about the same. The difrences (if indeed the following did not happen in Holland, they may have) is that the Ottawa municipal government outright LIED about the losses to business claiming that income stayed the same or went up when the facts are, bars restaurants and so on saw a 25 to 30% drop in revenues and state run liquor stores saw a similar rise in sales.
They also broke their OWN LAWS creating this law as no government in canada is alowed to use public funds to advertise one side of a bill before it becomes law. This the city did in spades buying giant signs everywhere telling people how to support this new draconian law without any options to oppose it. There where voting phone numbers but only PRO this law. It was a disgrace at least and a true crime against the democratic process even as much as this should never have been an issue in the first place. There where already a large number of bars and restaurants who did not allow smoking in them and they suffered the most with the ban. They lost their niche.
Often when arguing with people about the state imposed smoking bans I would ask them “If you went to Holland and went into a dope bar and demanded the right to enjoy a sandwich without getting high from all the marijuana smoke when there was a similar sandwich place accross the street which did not allow the smoking of dope do you think it would be reasonable to demand the first place change their policies to suit you?”
Of course they would stammer and try and make excuses as to why its not the same thing and eventually someone would make the joke that the Dutch will probably allow marijuana in bars so long as their is no tobacco in it.
Then for the love of god, Newton or anything you may hold sacred upon which I might beseech you read this classic comics version of Hayek’s prophetic-historical work The Road to Serfdom
Do not kid yourselves. These and many of the other woes of Europe and the west are closely related. Incestuous to say the least.
Eeyore for Vlad.
A conflict is brewing in the Netherlands between pub landlords and our minister of Health Ab Klink (pictured). After Ireland, the UK, France and Germany and much of the rest of the EU, The Netherlands introduced a ban on smoking in public places, including bars, restaurants and discotheques since July first of this year.
Bars and discotheques saw their revenue drop by 25 to 30%, as customers voted with their feet and decided to stay home. This left many small pub owners with the prospect of losing their livelihood. With the predictable result that more and more pub owners decided to put the ashtrays back on the tables. Pub owners in some cities have formed ‘anti-ban rings’ in mutual support should one of their number be issued a fine for ignoring the ban.
Horeca Nederland, the umbrella organisation for the Dutch catering trade has asked minister Klink to get tough on what is says is unfair competition for establishments that are obeying the law. But also to compensate small pub owners for the loss of income. Last week the conference of the ruling Christian Democrat party rejected calls to exempt small cafes from the ban – which is what Belgium and Germany do.
But the minister is having none of it. Today he threatened to close cafes and bars which persist in breaking the ban on smoking. Moreover, he is seeking to broaden the sanction policy via criminal law. Yes, you heard that right: Allowing your customers their smokes may become a criminal offense. Parliaments Second Chamber approved (NL).
Horeca Nederland expressed regret as to the attitude displayed by minister Klink during their meeting today. They are now consulting their members about any next steps to be undertaken.
Looked at it superficially, it is curious to see the draconian manner with which the resistance to this hugely unpopular measure is met. But minister Klink finds himself in a bind. Even if he was inclined to do so, he can’t revoke or change the smoking ban. The ban is EUnion law and minister Klink has no discretionary powers in the matter. Were he to slacken the enforcement of the ban on smoking in bars and restaurants, he would be in direct defiance of the EUnion, spelling a less then sterling end to his public career.
When we were still a sovereign nation, the ban would be discussed endlessly and a compromise would have been reached, which would have alleviated much of the unwanted side-effects, like noise in the wee hours of customers having their sokes outside. But we are not a sovereign nation. We are a (minor) part of the EUnion. Our ‘government’ no longer serves the needs of Dutch citizens, but rather serves the needs of the EUnion.
If democracy means that the ultimate power lies with the people then the Netherlands has, much like our neighbours, stopped being a democracy in any real sense of the world. Sure, the ‘democratic theater’ is still in place, with us going into the voting booth every 2 to 4 years. But, as the saga around the smoking ban illustrates, it matters not a damn who we will vote for. The smoking ban is EUnion law and any political party that is not serious about getting us out of the EUnion will be bound to uphold it.
However, this particular point is never made. The first rumblings of the impending EUnion wide ban could be heard back in 2004. Yet, not in the MSM and not even on most blogs reporting on this story we hear anything about the EUnions involvement. It is a peculiar phenomenon, which EU Referendum refers to as the ‘elephant in the room’ (1). It is the phenomenon that whenever the effects of a particularly daft or harmful piece of EUnion legislation is discussed, any and all reference to EUnion involvement are left unspoken, unwritten and hushed over.
The reason for this is simple: The public must never find out to what extent the EUnion is governing our lives, and how utterly useless our government and our parliament really have become. Because if it does, the public will realize the Big Lie and may want to visit retribution on those that sold us the Big Lie. Not just in government, but also in the MSM and intellectual circles. There is a whole class of left inclined flower children who must be worrying in the small hours of the night, that perhaps they are not as untouchable as they think. The wide spread and popular dismissal of the smoking ban might just be the first stirrings of an angry Saxon giant waking up.
(1) Just to give you the full flavor of the absurdity in the Netherlands: Marijuana is exempt from the smoking ban, provided that no tobacco is present in your joints. I’ll leave it to the reader to enumerate the vast number of contradictions and impossibillities (with regard to control and enforcements, for instance) in this brilliant piece of legislation.
(2) And there are many, many examples of this. If one follows the news across Europe a bit, one is struck with the number of like issues occupying the day. I remember sometime last year, that in one single day I saw an item on the ‘Electronic Child Dossier’ on the Dutch 8 o’clock news, heard a story about a similar scheme in Germany on German radio and later saw an item about the exact same thing in the UK on BBC Newsnight. Coincidence?
Road-pricing (‘rekeningrijden’) is another case in point. To any Dutch reader happening by here: Don’t let yourself be fooled. Road-pricing will come, despite current protestations to the contrary. The EUnion needs it to justify the costs of the Galileo project and the EUnion will get it. Objections from parliament and assurances from Camile Eurlings and others are all sound and fury, signifying nothing.