Links and news for Aug 19 2013 – 3

1. No evidence the EDL are “far right” – Lord Tebbit

Lord Tebbit has challenged the founder of an anti-Islamophobia monitoring group to prove the group adheres to far-right principles, and says calling the group “right-wing” is an attempt to smear mainstream conservatives.

2. Train in eastern India kills at least 37 pilgrims

A train ran over a group of Hindu pilgrims at a crowded station in eastern India early Monday, killing at least 37 people. A mob infuriated by the deaths beat the driver severely and set fire to coaches, officials said.

3. Adam Gadahn, al Qaeda’s U.S.-born spokesman, calls for attacks on U.S. diplomats Another article on the same subject here at The Blaze

4. Judge in Fort Hood jihad murderer’s trial bans evidence showing his jihad motive

(As I have said before. This is one of the strangest trials in world history where the prosecution is going to try and prove by any means possible that the perp is innocent of the crime and if guilty, not by his own reasoning. Sort of a legal, ‘clay-pot’ logical fallacy, while the defense will try and prove that the accused indeed did do it and for exactly the reasons he said at the time and steadily since and for which there is an abundance of evidence. Welcome to the end of reason)

5. Iowa: Imam Charged with Sexually Abusing Teen and Her Mother During Ceremony

6. Boko Haram head could be truly dead.

7. Egypt’s constitutional committee drafts 130 new articles, while the first three remain unchanged

 

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34 Replies to “Links and news for Aug 19 2013 – 3”

  1. #4 We (at least some of us, the government and liberals) cannot handle the truth. If we admitted the truth, then we would have to admit we were at war and fight in more than a dilettante manner.

    2 Thoughts. First, you know what happens when you 1/2 ass something, Wars or anything else.
    Second I saw this comment on SOFREP.com. If you have not defeated an enemy in 2 or 3 years you are basically training them. Are all cultures equal? No. I don’t believe in multiculturalism. But cultures and people can adapt over time.Fight an enemy long enough and they learn your tactics. We have or had a rich country with a potentially large manpower pool and large industrial base. Certainly the Germans, Japanese, Koreans , Vietnamese adopted during war to our tactics. the jihadis are too. So it has been 12 years since we decided to 1/2 heartedly fightback. Point is they are adapting. Our budget situation does not look good with the total debt, yearly deficits, Santa Clause politicians, and child like electorate (Is that present for me?).

    The gist is we don’t seem to have the will to win or enough money after deductions for the welfare, womb to the tomb, welfare state. That and the jiadis using assymmetric warfare and with some deep pocketed sponsors in the Gulf States and/or Muslim world whether state sponsors or private individuals have deep pockets too.

    So again the comment was If you have not defeated your enemy after 2 or 3 years you are training them.

    That is unless some major attrition is going on like in WW2. Is it?

    The charlatan said Osama is dead and GM is alive. Well Al Qaeda replaced him out of their manpower pool and Al Qaeda is larger than ever.

    #6 the head of Boko Haram died a long time ago on the inside. He became through and through evil. Now he is learning the ropes in Hell.

  2. Up for grabs…

    Egypt’s devastating museum looting latest casualty (ND/AP, Aug 19, 2013)
    http://www.newsdaily.com/article/e8a4bfa8b632995a3733660aefd71ac2/egypts-devastating-museum-looting-latest-casualty
    “As violent clashes roiled Egypt, looters made away with a prized 3,500-year-old limestone statue, ancient beaded jewelry and more than 1,000 other artifacts in the biggest theft to hit an Egyptian museum in living memory.

    The scale of the looting of the Malawi Museum in the southern Nile River city of Minya laid bare the security vacuum that has taken hold in cities outside Cairo, where police have all but disappeared from the streets. It also exposed how bruised and battered the violence has left Egypt.

    For days after vandals ransacked the building Wednesday, there were no police or soldiers in sight as groups of teenage boys burned mummies and broke limestone sculptures too heavy for the thieves to carry away. The security situation remained precarious Monday as gunmen atop nearby buildings fired on a police station near the museum….”

  3. Pastor Wants to Burn koran On 9/11, Residents Opposed

    MULBERRY, Florida — A small group of residents in Mulberry have joined together to tell the world that the town does not share the same opinion as Dr. Terry Jones, a known anti-Islamic.

    “Why would you come to little Mulberry, that is peaceful and diverse? We like it that way, and why come to our town and stir up the pot of hate and division?” said the group’s organizer, Suzanne Carter-Moore.

    Carter-Moore’s group is called “Not in Mulberry.” Its members created a Facebook Page called “Not in Mulberry Dr. Terry Jones.”

    Dr. Jones has announced he will be burning 2,998 korans on September 11 at a Mulberry property. The koran is the Islamic religious book. He said he will burn one book for each life lost during the 9/11 attacks.

    video on the page :

    http://www.digtriad.com/news/watercooler/article/295636/176/Pastor-Wants-to-Burn-Koran-On-911-Residents-Say-No

  4. #6 the head of Boko Haram died a long time ago on the inside. He became through and through evil. Now he is learning the ropes in Hell.

    Yeah, great… wtf? Did you just get a ‘hit of smug satisfaction’ that a dead person has gone to an imaginary place where you have the comfort his corpse is being cruelly tortured, well at least his Eternal Soul is? Yeah, great…. wtf?

    The Dishing out of Identities:
    Religion: one Soul for you
    Socialism: one Ego-Identity for you.

    And once the little child excepts it, replaced for their browbeaten miserly own… you tell them you now kill it unless of course by faith alone, they believe in the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom of Earth – or else they will be cursed and find no place of safety or peace.

    Normal children are isolated and legally abused in both kingdoms with messages of Kuffar and of White Privilege. No child wants to be sent there, sent to Hell or prevented from economic gain. So they fight to be considered good soldiers.

    What now gets in their way, is but two rams butting their heads. Inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. The background war to be won.

    #6 the head of Boko Haram died a long time ago on the inside. He became through and through evil. Now he is learning the ropes in Hell.

    You deal with one evil, and behind your back it spawns again.

  5. Perfect child

    Your awesome, perfect majesty, do I know that the leader of Boko Haram went to Hell? For sure? No, I do not. But if it does exist it is a perfect place for him.

    But some one who is responsible for the killing of people 50 at a time, a few times every month year in and out, I am quite justified in wanting him to suffer.

    If there is a God, there is some hope of redemption, because the hope that were killed are still alive in some form. If not then he cut short these people’s natural lives by a lot and your berating me for wanting harm to him makes no sense. Plus any morality you might come up with using the Golden rule is only as good as a majority of people adhering to it.

    Just people because people believe in forgiveness and redemption does it mean that you say a prayer an presto chango your good in a split second.

    Yah all those black Christian in Nigeria they sure had white privilege. As far as them being kuffar, unbeleivers, that is just a psychological trick to say that those people are not part of your clique so all rules of morality do not apply.

    I am trying to think of this whole whole privilege thing. You know that in Japan a foreign corporation can only own 49% of a Japanese subsidiary it sets up. Locals have to own the other 51%. Countries in South America have seen this and copied it. On top of that American or European corporations could send people to start a subsidiary but they had to train their replacements. So after a period of 10 years or so, all the people working at the subsidiary are all natives from that land. Nowadays their are exchanges of employees. An American will go to work in South America for a year and a South American will work at the parent company for a year.
    Meanwhile foreign entities can own 100% of an American company. this has gone on now for several decades or 3 generations.

    So where is the imperialism? Where is the white privilege. Update your playbook! Lame!

    Maybe I am out to lunch. I did not get the memo or secret hand shake about white privilege. I made a furrreigner. Or maybe you out to lunch.
    ***

    Spawns again? Empirical data says that if you are as vicious as your enemy then they start being more civil if not out of goodness then out of self interest. I have read of cases in many different continents and many different time periods. They do not live, respect or fear us.therefore they
    sh t on us.

    We are way past having them love or respect us, so that leaves fear.

  6. Thank you for explaining why you want bad people to burn in a metophorical Hell.
    I thought you were religious and actually believed such nonsense. Lock them up and throw away the key would have sufficed.

    Look up “white privilege” and you’ll see the Socialist propaganda in America.

    The African abused by Islam would come into the West positively discriminated to create Diversity in all Public offices. One kingdom replaced by another.
    An Arab slave name replaced by a coat of honor. What’s not to like?

    I had moved the argument to how these kingdoms started, to what makes a psychopath and a sociopath, to fight for the imaginary parallel kingdom within to fight for a Soul handed them, or fight for an identity given them.

    Your satisfaction in informing of a place of great terror implied you sought a place of great bliss. That you are not nuts, is a welcome relief, for it covers a multiple of sins unresolved to be able to say a child temped you and you could not help yourself. Such mental health issues are common.

  7. Dr Jones will burn a Koran for every person killed. Has he not read the pages?

    It goes something like:
    Two Korans for every Mohammadan killed
    One Koran for every jyzia-payer (People of The Book) killed
    And an Allah’s Your Father for every Infidel from Taoist to Hindu to Athiest.

  8. re#1

    But plenty of evidence that the left was and is, the most vicious and mass murdering ideology in the history of mankind, surpassing even Islam in its blood lust.

  9. Perfect child

    You seem to be certain of matters which have taxed the minds of philosophers through the ages – from Socrates to the present, and scientists of the calibre of Newton, Maxwell and Einstein.

    Here is Aleksander Solzhenitsyn

    It was Dostoevsky, once again, who drew from the French Revolution and its seeming hatred of the Church the lesson that “revolution must necessarily begin with atheism.” That is absolutely true. But the world had never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized, and tenaciously malevolent as that practiced by Marxism. Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin, and at the heart of their psychology, hatred of God is the principal driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot.

    Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.

    From “Men Have Forgotten God” – The Templeon Address

    http://www.roca.org/OA/36/36h.htm

    You seem to be an intelligent person. I’m not so intelligent, and thus excercise humility, mindful of people far more intelligent and brainy then I most certainly am not.

  10. Hi DP111,

    50 years to reach “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”?

    Well, they are certainly remembering Allah today, so you must be well-pleased with the counter revolution back to God. Not.

    IMO Engels looked at his father’s business not as a going-concern where the hard life in the mills replaced the much harder life in the countryside for the workers, but as a school boy looks in horror as a snake eats a mouse. It is not fair, in a newly industrializing Britain. It is that world that Marx saw from Engels’ writings as unshackling the serfs from landowners, women from men into an equitably magnanimous fellowship of mankind.

    What they did not know is that their work would be later exploited to the advantages of murderous, enslaving Political Elites.

    Humans do not sacrifice their lives unless promised a greater future. For thousands of years kept in ignorance, it was God’s Heaven. However, by 1794 Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason based upon current knowledge expressed to any intelligent person how far away the Deity actually was. The masses would no longer buy into the Divine right of Kings or Governments. God was Dead, long Live the Goddess of Prosperity For All. Who wouldn’t shoot a few evil criminals who selfishly stood in their way – because property, after all, was theft.

    So Imagine no possessions sung by the guy with the most possessions that he no longer cared about them, became the mantra.

    Communism is not Godless, it has the Trinity-blindness like any other religious guilt mind-screw, with priest who infect you and then take care of you.

    Where Jesus taught the Narrow Way, the later revised-script made his resurrection from vanity into life become the Resurrection of his physical body to carry your burdens, the god within you into the Sky-God who accepts petitions of needs, and the spirit that a little child can speak tuned into a Holy Spirit sucked in at every Mass that happens to say what the Church says.

    Saved by faith and rewarded by loyalty, an outlet for frustrations, and a new edict of law to meet every circumstance. Thus the Marx-Engels student-script of eternal Brotherhood, 30-60 years later, had the same makeover.

    The Goddess all-seeing State, Group-Identity with shared grievances to lobby governments with, free-thought turned into hate-thought in the chapel of Politically Correct thinking. The ‘resurrection’ being the inversion of every ego into a new Identity. How they celebrate every child who believes it is a new gender. Halleluiah, they are saved.

    Anyone going to help those with unclean spirit? Anyone?

  11. On the contrary Perfect child. They are not remembering God. The ones who are remembering are remembering allah.

    In your critical analysis, do you have anything positive to offer. The Christian faith rescued Europe from barbarism, and gave us the civilisation that we have now. It is not Athesim or anything else but the Christian faith. Atheism has given us nothing but the most barbaric massacres the world has ever seen. Atheism is godless, whether they have a trinity or not, as they do not believe in a figure who transcends this universe. Solzhenitsyn refers us to this type of ideology that has disfigured humanity, and when he speaks oif God, it is the God of the Christian faith and not allah. Solzhenitsyn knows from experience what a godless society did to Russia, as he went through it, unlike me. Have you been through something akin to the Gulag?

    I would really be interested in what you have to offer. It should at the least better then the Christian faith that has given us Western civilisation.

  12. On the contrary Perfect child. They are not remembering God. The ones who are remembering are remembering allah.

    The All-Seeing Eye, is the all seeing eye in every religion.

    The Christian faith rescued Europe from barbarism, and gave us the civilisation that we have now.

    The Renaissance and then Protestantism and then Reason gave us the civilization we have today. We crawled out of Pagan Christianity.

    Atheism has given us nothing but the most barbaric massacres the world has ever seen.

    After explaining Communism is the religious ideology for a Heaven on Earth with a political class of instructors and a proletariat laity, you still call it atheism when all evidence is of charismatic leaders and blind-faith followers.

    The Christian Cults that lead to mass suicides are the most honest, because if you really believed that over death’s doorstep was a Heaven awaiting you, you want to go there as soon as possible. Each denomination believes they got first dibs over the other.

    …they do not believe in a figure who transcends this universe.

    They do. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Il-sung they were all worshiped as if the sun shone out of their proverbials. Socialist Leaders are so narcissistic they act as if they were Emperors and Gods, greater than mere mortals.

    Have you been through something akin to the Gulag?

    Where there are Hate Crimes and racism against an indigenous population where their political voice is constantly side-stepped and their employment rights discriminated against? Yes.

    As you cannot savor Jesus’ teachings as a fine new wine, I give you Socrates: “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”

  13. The Renaissance and then Protestantism and then Reason gave us the civilization we have today. We crawled out of Pagan Christianity.

    Not true, both of these are byproducts if Christianity. One cant prove it, but they followed from a Christian Europe, and nowhere else did this happen, either pre-Christian Europe or elsewhere.

    The Christianizing of a continent of people does take time. Some of the Pagan rituals were incorporated within Christianity to give comfort to those who had adopted the Christian faith. Slowly, and it does take time, people a more We didn’t crawl out but developed. It is the same even now. Our understanding is imperfect and will continue to be so.

    They do. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Il-sung they were all worshiped as if the sun shone out of their proverbials. Socialist Leaders are so narcissistic they act as if they were Emperors and Gods, greater than mere mortals.

    First, the people had to idolize (used deliberately) Stalin or Mao, for fear of death. Second, Stalin, Mao etc themselves were atheists.

    Have you been through something akin to the Gulag?

    Where there are Hate Crimes and racism against an indigenous population where their political voice is constantly side-stepped and their employment rights discriminated against? Yes.

    I don’t think anything of that nature is comparable to the Gulag. What happened in the Gulag was something only a godless person, who has no fear of a transcendent being, is capable of.

    As you cannot savor Jesus’ teachings as a fine new wine, I give you Socrates: “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”

    I agree with that. Paul would also agree with you.

    But I do try to savor the New Wine of Jesus, imperfect as I am. Socrates was fine, and Christian theology incorporated much of Greek scholarship.

    Do I get a feeling that we are on the same base but debating crosswise?

    Incidentally, why the web name “Perfectchild”

  14. Corrected

    ignore the last post, as I forgot to complete a sentence.

    The Renaissance and then Protestantism and then Reason gave us the civilization we have today. We crawled out of Pagan Christianity.

    Not true, both of these are byproducts if Christianity. One cant prove it, but they followed from a Christian Europe, and nowhere else did this happen, either pre-Christian Europe or elsewhere.

    The Christianizing of a continent of people does take time. Some of the Pagan rituals were incorporated within Christianity to give comfort to those who had adopted the Christian faith. Slowly, and it does take time, for people to change their perspective on life and all that. We didn’t crawl out but developed. It is the same even now. Our understanding is imperfect and will continue to be so.

    They do. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Il-sung they were all worshiped as if the sun shone out of their proverbials. Socialist Leaders are so narcissistic they act as if they were Emperors and Gods, greater than mere mortals.

    First, the people had to idolize (used deliberately) Stalin or Mao, for fear of death. Second, Stalin, Mao etc themselves were atheists. The mass of peoiple in Russia simply laid low till this human created storm died out.

    Have you been through something akin to the Gulag?

    Where there are Hate Crimes and racism against an indigenous population where their political voice is constantly side-stepped and their employment rights discriminated against? Yes.

    I don’t think anything of that nature is comparable to the Gulag. What happened in the Gulag was something only a godless person, who has no fear of a transcendent being, is capable of.

    The Christian Cults that lead to mass suicides are the most honest, because if you really believed that over death’s doorstep was a Heaven awaiting you, you want to go there as soon as possible. Each denomination believes they got first dibs over the other.

    The Christian cults that indulged in mass suicide had insane leaders. Taking one’s life as a way to get to heaven is un-Christian. First, life is God’s gift to us, and only He decides when and how we leave this life.

    As you cannot savor Jesus’ teachings as a fine new wine, I give you Socrates: “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”

    I agree with that. Paul would also agree with you. However, if that is where it stops, then the Protestant Reformation, Renaissance and the scientific revolution would not be possible.Though the Greeks had geometry and rigor in mathematics and logic, they failed to get to first base in science. Greek philosophy came to a dead end.

    I believe it is the quest to know the mystery of God;’s creation that led to the scientific revolution. One can never know the minds of men, and certainly not the genius of Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Dalton – the greatest of all mathematicians and scientists.They pursued their work with great humility in the face of the Creator’s creation.

    But I do try to savor the New Wine of Jesus, imperfect as I am. Socrates was fine, and Christian theology incorporated much of Greek scholarship.

    So where do you stand? What do you advocate that is simple to understand, will be accepted by a mass of humanity, at the same time as successful as Western civilization.

    Incidentally, why the web name “Perfectchild”

  15. Each denomination believes they got first dibs over the other.

    Yes, one does get that feeling. On closer examination, it is simply the debate that has always been present in Christianity – “Grace” or “Works” or both? But Christian faith and redemption does not rest on fulfilling a set of criteria. That is clear to all. Even a literal attempt to satisfy both is insufficient. We will never know. Paul in Corinthians 1, states that even though his conscience is clear, he has no idea if he will be saved.

  16. DP111: “We will never know.”

    That’s the point. We can only have interpretations of interpretations.

    Now, it is natural for the human psychi to have imaginings of the perfect Boss and the Perfect Garden because to ‘love God with your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself’ is possible. However, it is unnatural to force everyone onto the same page at the exclusion of the other. To force the total submission to Allah or a total submission to Diversity.

    You can’t force truth because, hey it is truth.

    So the force-bullies with Hate-Crimes are jostling for position to exploit the masses.

    Muslims hate non-Muslims. Communists hate God-fearers. Period, for they demolish the other’s unreality.

    Their minds belong loyally to psychopath or sociopath, a Muhammad or Stalin, to rewards little psychopaths and sociopaths.

    However, bisexual psychotics open themselves to serve both. These narcissist politicians are puppets of Mohammedans and Communists. They draw on the Beast to service them as being Munificence, and in return they give away to China and Islam power. End of human history.

    Mass graves for the unbelievers. The evidence is clearly out there of the spring of the unborn intelligent. We have only the retards of humanity left to breed with.

    That every child is born a perfect child, is obvious.

    Jesusanity is a Last Days Cult, awaiting this Returning One. Putting off today what won’t be done tomorrow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_end_times_prediction

    It is only in philosophy do you find Jesus to be totally right about the conscious mind, and The Official Followers were totally wrong about His Glory and The Crowded Right Hand Seat of God.

    “Paul in Corinthians 1, states that even though his conscience is clear, he has no idea if he will be saved.”

    And yet Jesus and his twelve disciples knew they were saved. Funny that, after teaching them everything he knew, they would do even more. I guess Mission to the House of Israel was a success as there is no burning of animal carcasses and there was a dramatic rising of enlightenment in the community. Kept as it was, they would have been as dumb as Mohammedans. Look at the Ultra Orthodox to see what suffering in-breeding has done.

    Pity then the Savior who went to the House of Mohammad, opened the Koran to announce he would fulfill the law, healed a sick member and was stoned to death because that sickness was given by Allah.

    “Do I get a feeling that we are on the same base but debating crosswise?”

    I’m teaching you what your common sense should already know.

    Christianity is no defense against the snakes that live in the church.

  17. “Grace” or “Works” or both?

    How can the ‘kingdom of god’ ever be achieved by a ‘get out of jail free card’ or by ‘merit of a hard earned degree’?

    If it could, that child would be precocious or a snob.

    Both qualities that would not pass through an eye of a needle.

  18. Now, it is natural for the human psychi to have imaginings of the perfect Boss and the Perfect Garden because to ‘love God with your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself’ is possible. However, it is unnatural to force everyone onto the same page at the exclusion of the other.

    I see no force, natural or otherwise to get everyone onto the same page. And I see nothing but good from “to ‘love God with your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor”. Though I find it difficult to realize in practice.

    To force the total submission to Allah or a total submission to Diversity.

    Agree.

    Funny that, after teaching them everything he (Jesus) knew..

    How do you know?

    Pity then the Savior who went to the House of Mohammad, opened the Koran to announce he would fulfill the law, healed a sick member and was stoned to death because that sickness was given by Allah.

    Instead he was crucified in Israel. In any case it is not necessary to go go to the house of allah.

    Christianity is no defense against the snakes that live in the church.

    Christianity is not a defence against the powers of the world, be it in the church or without.

    “Grace” or “Works” or both?

    How can the ‘kingdom of god’ ever be achieved by a ‘get out of jail free card’ or by ‘merit of a hard earned degree’?

    If it could, that child would be precocious or a snob.

    Both qualities that would not pass through an eye of a needle.

    No. Grace is not in the hands of a human child.

    Is it a ‘get out of jail free card? I don’t think so. Far from it, considering what happened to 11 of the disciples.

    So where do you stand? What do you advocate that is simple to understand, will be accepted by a mass of people in the West, at the same time as successful as Western civilization.

    Why the web name “Perfectchild”

  19. And I see nothing but good from “to ‘love God with your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor”. Though I find it difficult to realize in practice.

    Why? Don’t you love, truth; and love, love?

    Funny that, after teaching them everything he (Jesus) knew..

    How do you know?

    As much as you do. “I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.” John 15:15

    “Christianity is not a defence against the powers of the world, be it in the church or without.”

    And there we disagree.

    This House dedicated to Jesus should have taught the students of the dark arts to protect them of those ways.

    Love was used by Islam and Sexualists to bring them into the fold as gentle wolves. Truth was used by the Communists to criticize and destroy all that was noble.

    These most unloving and most untruthful, holding terror over the people by getting outraged every time they are spotted perverting humanity.

    A person could be murdered in the name of Islam and on the same day a President say “it was not so”.

    I write about the ‘kingdom of god’ and you don’t hear it. That a child already has it – plain to see.

    To get back to it is to be born again. Then you say “Grace is not in the hands of a human child. as though a child needs saving from Torturing Hell and Damnation.

    You have taken Jewish myths and fears, Roman and Babylonian cults, sprinkled some Church History and voila! The child is Saved. Hallelujah.

    Except, of course, that child is now screwed in the head.

    What do you advocate that is simple to understand, will be accepted by a mass of people in the West, at the same time as successful as Western civilization.

    What I advocate is writing to all the emptying churches. There was a time they kept up with unraveling wisdom of the age, sometimes leading it, and adapting accordingly wherever truth was revealed.

    But they stopped. They got right down to Quakers, a “Society of Friends”… and then they couldn’t let go of that last piece of wishful thinking… to realize the External God does not exist. They were just praying as pagans did into The Great Void. So they pursued, not truth anymore, but love.

    Hence the Quakers celebrate same sex-marriage as an issue of compassion and heart-warmth.

    Matters of the soul were no longer dealt with, because the souls of these participants would have to be counseled, helped and set free. For resentment of the opposite gender or absence of a parent figure drives the need for satisfaction of affection into different places. Humans can intensely adore their animals over people. It is not love.

    Now, having no God Upstairs has never been a problem, for Jesus taught the kingdom of god is within you, that every child has and must be protected from losing.

    External God was the very mechanism that Rabbis and Kings held onto their power. Blasphemy was punishable by banishment, imprisonment or death.

    Today External Society, or The Big Society of Diversity is policed by economic sanctions, imprisonment or a trip to the psychiatrist, (Socialist Priesthood). They have no truth but bodily functions and mechanisms that are wished onto to whatever they want them to be. If you feel good, that’s your fix. Yet, like God wanes if you don’t regularly attend church, the feeling of happiness goes if you don’t junk up on love.

    Ex-church ministers have written extensively about how and why the bible-books were selected and compiled under Emperor Constantine, and it’s not a pretty history with murder from the get-go. No letting the tares and wheat grow together to reap a harvest for the First Christians.

    Love and decency resides in you. Nowhere else. That people carry around massive burdens and want to be praised for it… well, what comes on the train will leave on the train.

    Jesus only came for the sick. Not a medical practice turned into a temple.

  20. I shall be short as the this thread has slipped to the archives.

    You are trying to make Christianity a political idea. It was never thus. God in transcendent form is not just required but a truth. To make it as some kind of feeling within oneself, like Hindus or Buddhists do, is not what I understand Christianity to be.

    Jesus only came for the sick. Not a medical practice turned into a temple.

    True enough. But the sick are sick in the soul. And as for a temple, the physical church is just a convenience.

    I now believe that you are deliberately not answering the questions I posed you, twice in fact. They were very simple, and simple to answer.

    The thread has now slipped to the archives, and it would be bad mannered of me to continue to use EEyore’s hospitality.

    Thank you for your responses.

  21. Please don’t stop posting on my account. It doesn’t matter to me what page an article is on. A discussion on an important topic remains important no matter how old the initial question is.

  22. “You are trying to make Christianity a political idea.”

    No. Emperor Constantine made Christianity a political idea and it became the state religion.

    I am saying nothing has it – that every child born is exposed to memes. The method of getting out of them once they are in your head, was expressed by Jesus’ teachings.

    “God in transcendent form is not just required but a truth.”

    That is a load of nonsense. And it is a dangerous nonsense, because a child is exposed to The Priest, who is a liar. And deception, which is death to reality, and inhibition removed, causes the sexual reproductive urge to rise, because all it knows is to jump from one dying being into the next. Why do you think all the politicians are so horny?

    “To make it as some kind of feeling within oneself, like Hindus or Buddhists do, is not what I understand Christianity to be.”

    The Hindus are as to Socialism and the Buddhists are to Communism, in that part of the world. A form of ‘kingdom of love’ where there is no love and ‘truth’ where there is no truth, but the constant pursuit and the mastery of nothing. Every illusion is built up upon the last and we have what is called tradition.

    Each dellusion demands its sense completion of wholeness, every hyper feminine demands her hyper masculine. White Intellectual Feminists sleep with Black Emotional Gangstas.

    With Homosexuals there are subs and doms. A kick out of submission and a kick out of domination.

    With Muslims there are sufis and wahabis. A kick out of pacifism and a kick out of jihad.

    Every pedophile its pederast. A kick out of love and a kick out of control.

    This is not about celebrating “polarity” – that somehow all opposites make a completion of the true whole. They don’t. You see with both eyes, to converge them onto the middle way. You don’t diverge them and then say how Diverse and all-embracing you are, when you now can see nothing and use make-believe to bring it back.

    “God in transcendent form is not just required but a truth.”

    This is only a made up solution to solve a delusional problem.

    The problem was: If God banished Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden… How in heaven’s name are we going to get back?

    Answer: There was not Garden of Eden. You evolved from simpler primates with the benefit of omega 3.

    It is natural to respond to our environment, and that is why we have a conversation and the pleasure of the opposing views it elicits, as we have survived this three billion year journey doing so. But we don’t get ‘in-to’ the conversation or hug the words and then see that as Life – as a battle some people like deliberately pick on to get outraged to feel engaged and then have great sex afterwards and think that is meaningful, until the next great chasm overwhelms them and they complain of a thorn in their side.

    “I now believe that you are deliberately not answering the questions I posed you, twice in fact. They were very simple, and simple to answer.”

    I did answer your question as to why I used the moniker “Perfect Child”. You have known it from my arguments.

    But to put it plainer, and to know you will understand it, I will ask you but one question.

    John’s baptism–where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?”

  23. John’s baptism–where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?”

    This is primarily about the authority of Jesus.The real question is, do you believe in the authority and divinity of Jesus?

  24. John’s baptism–where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?

    It’s obvious what Matthew, that Gospel writer, the Messianic Jew thought when he imagined the scenario before his fellow Jews.

    “They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ But if we say, ‘From men’–we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet.””

    If they said from Heaven Jesus would say, “Then why don’t you believe me?”

    So Jesus is from Heaven.

    It reminds me of Mark, the Roman Christian imagining a scenario with Jesus

    “Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.”

    Which means, ‘don’t worry, Christians will not upset Rome’.

    Otherwise it means:
    “Give back to Mohammad what is Mohammad’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.”

    However, at the time, “The Romans thought of themselves as highly religious, and attributed their success as a world power to their collective piety (pietas) in maintaining good relations with the gods. According to legendary history, most of Rome’s religious institutions could be traced to its founders, particularly Numa Pompilius, the Sabine second king of Rome, who negotiated directly with the gods. This archaic religion was the foundation of the mos maiorum, “the way of the ancestors” or simply “tradition”, viewed as central to Roman identity.”

    So this would have been an insult, as it would have been to Mohammedans.

    So I figure it was written much later when Roman Society had become more diverse.

    My point is, John’s baptism–where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men? was loaded before pen got to paper.

    Today, one can reasonable state no animal is born from a virgin mammal, and no one comes from God.

    So did John come from heaven, no. Not a literal place, but from a point of faith in a Divine Authority greater than any human authority. From men? Obviously. He has to eat.

    Did baptizing for the forgiveness of sins, work? Yes. Those who carried the stress of worry and guilt, scared of retribution and weighed with suspicion and paranoia got great and total relief from unburdening themselves with confession. The God-Metaphor provided that Listening Post, to relive and cleanse the mind of locked-in traumatic fears.

    Is taking that God-Metaphor, therefore bad for people?

    No. Not for their time, for they were honest in their ignorance and beliefs, and it takes complete sincerity to be willing to die; for the psychological hold – to let go. Because all your mind was ever doing was trying to prevent your death. If you had died to self, given up vanity, it’s function would no longer be needed to be involved in this process of self-defense and self-preservation. The sub-conscience would then cease in its endeavor and you will relax, and finally have a good night’s sleep.

    The method is the same for us a little more knowledgeable and less superstitious: in the pain of realizing the truth about ourselves, repenting and knowing what we are forgiving, by facing the pain of our mistakes and selfishness – we will set free. Seek and you will find. And if you really don’t know, the baptism in water with someone you completely trust, may unlock – by your willingness of complete surrender – and you will be forgiven.

    No church offers this. They baptize you into themselves, their Gods and their fellowships; and not you, out of yourself. They did not cast out unclean spirits.

    We know God as a Person does not Exist. There was this danger the Jews faced if they had gone to their Rabbi with fine robes, status and an important role in the community to be snatched by their sect. When they forgive, they play God. When you forgive you are giving up any pretense of playing God. So when someone asks for your forgiveness you say “I never cursed you for your bad behavior so I am just glad you came to your senses.” It is repentance they needed, not salvation that gives them permission to do it again. You would be guilty for giving and they would hold you accountable for their continued hell.

    This was the reason they flocked to the man who lived in the wilderness – there was no imprinting back into them. There was nothing they could receive in return. No Conversion, no new identity. They went purely to be set free. (Remember, Jesus sent his disciples out with absolutely nothing, but the clothes on their backs).

    Do this with any Priest or Imam and they will attempt to forgive you, and get you to swallow their personality of God or Allah.

    John, from all accounts, came out with nothing but camel’s hair clothing, and hearing their confessions of pain, used water to immerse the people fully, with the experience of letting it be all consuming, and then rising to let it all wash over them and away. Very cathartic in complete emotion and action, with grace and deed, from death into life.

    The Danger of praying to Jesus, Jehovah or Allah is to have them take your cup and make them your Excuser. You no longer have to repent for your sins, but promised to submit to their dead memories. St Paul did that, Mohammad did that, and both became justified and earnest in the propagation of their moral decay, dark on the inside and beautifully presented on the outside.

    But Jesus didn’t submit to Jehovah, and so had to go himself out into the wilderness for ‘forty days and nights’ to face his tempters so that with realization, they departed. Unmet, they would have simply left in the euphoria of the moment and then returned again and invited more to make a home in him.

    When Moses came down from the mountain with the two tablets of the covenant law his face glowed in that experience so that he had to veil his face. But a few days later, it had faded and he became the agent of cruelty and violence for those who did not believe. There is a euphoria that is counterfeit.

    Jesus having found ‘the kingdom of god’, which cannot be unlearned or fade away, went out to teach others to discover it for themselves.

    Well, that’s the Gospel according to me, as I found it.

  25. “Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.”

    Which means, ‘don’t worry, Christians will not upset Rome’.

    So far so good. Romans 13 is virtually the same.

    Otherwise it means:

    “Give back to Mohammad what is Mohammad’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.”

    Now here is where I disagree. You cant extend it to Mohammed, as Mohammed thought of himself as Allah’s very close confidante. There is no separation of state from religion in Islam.

    The method is the same for us a little more knowledgeable and less superstitious: in the pain of realizing the truth about ourselves, repenting and knowing what we are forgiving, by facing the pain of our mistakes and selfishness – we will set free. Seek and you will find. And if you really don’t know, the baptism in water with someone you completely trust, may unlock – by your willingness of complete surrender – and you will be forgiven.

    That unfortunately is the human condition. As for repentance and forgiveness, you will have to work that out for yourself.

    St Paul did that, Mohammad did that, and both became justified and earnest in the propagation of their moral decay, dark on the inside and beautifully presented on the outside.

    I cannot agree with that at all. Far too much good has come out of the Christian faith. Our civilisation is based on Christian faith. There has been corruption, but again that is the human condition.

    We know God as a Person does not Exist.

    We do know no such thing. God may be a Person or be Spirit. I cant imagine a universe coming out of nothing, even a disorderly and chaotic universe, with no defining laws.

    Re: Jesus – Indeed there was no conversion., but Jesus set aside his followers. In general, Jesus simply asked people to follow him ie the example he set. . Forgiveness though is grace from God. Vicars in the Protestant tradition do not grant forgiveness.

    Praying to Jesus is not to make him your excuser but your redeemer, or if you like, as an example that you can follow. Following Jesus also means genuine repentance , and genuine willingness not to sin any more. But as humans we are going to fall, and that is where God’s grace and mercy comes in.
    Jesus having found ‘the kingdom of god’, which cannot be unlearned or fade away, went out to teach others to discover it for themselves.
    Well, that’s the Gospel according to me, as I found it.

    In the end its a matter of faith. If you don’t like priests, you don’t have to have them. If you don’t like the idea of baptism by water, you don’t have to have it. So yes, by all means, just follow Jesus’ example.

    The pressing problem we have is how to secure Western civilisation from the threat of Islam – which is what concerns this blog as well. At this moment I see nothing other then Aleksander Solzhenitsyn,”I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened”.

    If you can think of something else that will resonate strongly in Western man to bring him back to his senses, post it I will look forward to it.

  26. I cant imagine a universe coming out of nothing, even a disorderly and chaotic universe, with no defining laws.

    Try imagining the infinitely small and different universes and our universe being infinitely small…

    Then imagine you know nothing, and of your God you know nothing, and then humble yourself that you are not at the center of God’s Plans.

    Praying to Jesus is not to make him your excuser but your redeemer…

    And that’s what his disciples, sent out in pairs, said when they healed the sick: “the bloke who sent us here told us if you believe in his Name and upon his Blood you will go to Heaven!”
    “What? He’s not dead yet! You from Heaven’s Gate? They had this guy who called himself Jesus…”
    “Yeh you right, send out a dhimmi and you get a dhimmi… just lift up your walking stick and say you’re healed and we’ll go”

    Following Jesus also means genuine repentance , and genuine willingness not to sin any more.

    You cannot ‘Will’ to not to sin. If you do you, you’ll sin again.

    Repentance, to let go, is only the first step. You have the attitude to stop, but you still don’t know why you are driven to your stress-reliefs.

    The Homosexuals will bend their knees to Allah, Jehovah, Jesus, Zeus, Buddha even the Spiritualists, in the willingness to stop or be confirmed by love.

    And the first Christians Priests would have forgiven them and opened the door to their homes, not knowing the dark forces they would unleash among the unprotected sheep; or they fully-well knew what immature victim they were inviting to dinner and the appetizer to come.

    The ‘demons’ entered their House and you have the dead hand of the Holy Catholic Church (overt forgiveness) and Anglican Church (hidden forgiveness) in all their glory. All they had left are the bookshelves in their studies to reveal their greatness. The ‘Peoples of the Book’ is apt.

    The second step is find and face your demons and then the truth will set you free.

    Therefore, as all the people could not go to John The Baptist, Jesus sent John the Baptist to all the people.

    And as not everyone can go and find a wilderness, the wilderness must come to you.

    You can use your time to sit still, fast and meditate to remember. The answer is within you – not by surendering yourself upon the hope of a balancing scale or a rung of ladder in Heaven.

    And once you found the truth about yourself, you will weep and then you will laugh and then men will revile you for they have spent their lives avoiding reality, employing hate crimes and privacy laws so their deeds will not be seen.

    The pressing problem we have is how to secure Western civilisation from the threat of Islam

    Allah’s servants have been set upon us by the Communists, who first gave us the Socialists.

    While you rush to the front, they will take out the rear. Then you will have nothing to fight for: no property, no job, no morals, no ground at all, and then you will come gladly at their call, as their slave.

    If you can think of something else that will resonate strongly in Western man to bring him back to his senses

    Give up your Idolatry of the Golden Calf, and think like a human again, before it’s too late.

  27. I wanted to say “think like a man again” and checked myself seeing as we are all equal and now have reflected that no, actually men have become more like women, and not since Margaret Thatcher had we found a conscious public figure who happened also to be a woman. So I did mean think like a man, in the manhood that went before.

    The word human has also changed and been hijacked by humanists. If you literally changed their terms of reference with God, Faith and Creation you’d define a Christian.

    The are no conclusions. Each generation finds better ones. We are the questioners. All that means is our questions are open. No person is a label.

    To heal the defined and distressed back into the questioner, was Jesus’s purpose.

    You made him God and did so much to him by making him a virgin baby and led others to your idolotory. Shame on you.

    The little child should never be told to stop questioning.

    You have no evidence? Then stop the BS until you find some, because that kid will join Hitler or Muhammad since you taught her the way of submission, and all she has left by the removal of her soul and her voice of conscience, is the sound of the strongest intimidation of Allah or Communism who claim they know all the answers to the all the questions.

  28. Try imagining the infinitely small and different universes and our universe being infinitely small…

    Try nothing for a start.

  29. That is my point. All you had was a collection of a few selected books by committee of someone else who wrote about someone else, all because you couldn’t be bothered to live your own book.

    Try nothing for a start. Then move on from there.

  30. perfect child

    Thank you for your efforts in all posts. Its much appreciated.

    Look forward to your posts with interest

    Kind regards

    DP

  31. You are very kind Dp111,

    I appreciate you sharing and providing the stimulating discourse.

    I know I am in love with love. And I love this guy Jesus’ teachings as he faced the Islam of his day in Judaism (thank goodness it modernized *shudder*), and the totalitarianism of Diversity in the methods and ways of Roman conquest.

    The persecution from both sides of Christians was not for their religion, for that was amalgamated 300 hundred years later from different cults into what it is today, but the nugget of information it contains about a human being who made it, who turned the other cheek, and when they tried to insult and ridicule and take off his shirt, he just gave them his jacket was well.

    May your mind grow and find the unblocked pathways it should always have used, unbound, with unclean spirits removed, so that you find the kingdom of god within you, anew, born again and free as a child can see.

    Protect the little children from being deliberately infected with fears. Be it the UK’s children’s charity Underpants Rule, the demand to prayer, or the guilt of a carbon shadow. Such little minds do not know the violation set before them are to make them blind through intimidation and the exploitation in all its forms that awaits, which they may wake up from 40 years later, and the pervert is a wizened, twisted old creature that pulls rank and hides.

    Take care.

    PC

  32. In 2025 the Socialist Cabal of The West had brought about poverty, decay and human degradation and so looked around their Western Empire for ways to unite the people under one religion. With the wane of Churchianity, people were no longer willing to fight in their wars. So they decreed a meeting at the Mosque built over the Church of Nicaea. They instructed the OIC, the Organisation of the Islamic Cooperation, to call their most senior imams from all over the world to represent their sects and iron-out their differences once and for all.

    The Sunni, the Shia, the Wahhabi, the Sufis, Baha’is and Ahmadiyyas, Druze, Alevis, and `Alawis attended. They selected books from the Jewish Torah, the Christian Bible, the Hadith and Surah and put the Koran at the end, last as the final seal and testament to all the ‘corrected’ books, knowing full-well that in a thousand years time Believers would be calling this their “Holy Bible” as Allah’s Will – from Adam, (pbuh), to Abraham, (pbuh) to Moses, (pbuh) to Jesus, (pbuh) to Mohammad (pbuh) to the Last Days.

    From the finest Islamic minds and Scholars, the first book to be translated into America-ease, was dedicated to fifth-term, emergency empowered, President Barak Obama.

    Now it was possible that every chaperone walking beside a woman and her baby to the Mall, would be able to tell her what it said; every laborer in the factory would know when to stop for prayers; and the call to the mosque sung out every corner.

    After this meeting the Nicene Creed was produced and sent out to the ends of the world:

    “We believe in one Allah,
    the Father, the Almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all that is,
    seen and unseen.
    We believe in one Messenger, Mohammad,
    the Last Prophet of Allah,
    eternally joined with the Father,
    Man from Allah, Light from Light,
    true Servant from true Allah,
    commanded, in obedience,
    to being one voice with the Father.
    Through him all things were revealed,
    for us men and for our salvation.
    He went and came back from heaven
    by the power of the Angel Gabriel and met Adam,
    then Jesus born from the Virgin Mary, then Yahya, then Joseph, then Idris,
    then Aaron, then Moses, then Abraham and then Allah whom was well pleased to his
    wise request of prayers only five times a day.
    For our sake he was reviled under the Jews and Christians;
    he suffered for peace and was buried.
    Through Abu Bakr and Ali, equally, they became a two-edged sword
    in accordance with the scriptures;
    to descend upon the pagans
    so that they may also be seated at the right hand of the Father.
    The Mardi will come again in glory
    to judge the living and the dead,
    and his kingdom will have no end.
    We believe in the Holy Spirit,
    as a Guide and Glad Tidings to all Muslims
    who proceeded from the Father to the Prophet.
    Allah worshiped and glorified and Muhammad is his Messenger,
    as was spoken of through all the Prophets.
    We believe in one Holy Islamic Caliphate.
    We acknowledge and believe that there is No God except Allah.
    We look for the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. ?m?n.”

    And the people swallowed it. Any Muslims found not to adhere to it were killed as Apostates and their books burned.

    Has a very familiar ring to it.

    Allah be with you. (And also with you).

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