About Eeyore

Canadian artist and counter-jihad and freedom of speech activist as well as devout Schrödinger's catholic

278 Replies to “‘If you eliminate Islam, you realize the world is a pretty peaceful place’.”

  1. Like a cancer, islam has invaded all regions of the world and like a cancer it is destroying every healthy thing in its path. Like a cancer , islam must be eradicated if the hosts are to survive.

      • Religion is a lie. Islam is the most dangerous and should be eradicated first. There are no gods, no prophets. It is all invented by man to control others.

        • The underwear Bomber was a Muslim ?The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims?The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims ?The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims ?The London Subway Bombers were Muslims ?The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims ?The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims ?The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims ?The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims ?The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims …?The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims ?The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims ?The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims ?The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims ?The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims ?The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims ?The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims ?The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims ?The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims ?The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims ?The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims ?The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims’
          San Bernardino
          Paris
          And many others

        • Ok overkill. We shouldn’t kill all religion. Many of them want live in peace, like Christianity, or Judaism. I agree Islam must go, but don’t kill everyone based on one bad apple.

    • Allahhu Akbar
      alla is the greatest!!!!!!
      im not sure why you people insist on saying muslims are bad infact if you guys just read a little bit about it you might understand that the information you use is based of small radical groups. Being a sucide bomber is a disgrace to our religion and lots of us dont even care what religion you are, we try to get along.

      • Well, why don’t you “muslims” do something about these people who use your religion, instead of just sitting back and complaining about people saying bad things about you.

        • So you are trying to say that if we see a bunch of people saying they are ‘muslims’ we should stop them. Okay, then stop your Jesus from raping too.

          1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

          So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

          The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

          Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we dest60royed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.’” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

          Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

          2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

          They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

          Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

          Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

          3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

          As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

          What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

          4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

          If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

          What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

          5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

          If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

          It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

          6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

          Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

          Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

          This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

          7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

          “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

          Once again God approves of forcible rape.

          8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

          They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

          9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

          When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

          10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

          Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

            • We try to keep peace. And yet you wish for war. I pity you, for surely you will face Allah’s wrath. You have insulted our religion and made stories to support your lies. Your country has had its own people taking the name of our God. But really, no matter how much we reason, you always find a justification. I’m sorry, but you guys are wrong. I will not insult your gods or views as you have done ours. But I will pray for you and pity you, for you are on the wrong path.

              • Islam is not a race it’s an ideology that teaches hate, violence, murder, child rape and submission.? Where Islam exist it is at war with it’s neighbor. Islam is the cancer of this world and always has been and will be until it is cut out.

      • if small radical groups can do this much damage and the vast peaceful majority of muslims cant stop them the they are not a small groups any more. it has been going on for 1400 years

      • Liar, mohammed the pig says lie steal kill in the name of allah. Just don’t do it to muslims. Lol go eat some bacon and eggs , you will feel a lot better.

        • Aye listen our prophet Mohammaed (peace be upon him) is not a pig, so, stfu, & nah, mate, Allah swt never said to kill or to hate, he said to spread love & peace, & the reason why were not doing anything is because Allah (swt) said treat your hater with respect & why would we do something about it when Allah knows best for all of us, & instead of you sitting here hating why can’t you go do some studies about Allah & our prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)

            • Quran* Yes i have read the holy Quran 3 times, & honest i’m not lying nor joking when you read the Quran or listen to it at least once or twice you would know why people convert to islam & honest thats why you people are depressed our holy Quran bright up the hearts & ik what i’m saying don’t sit here unless you have tried the quran then speak

              • Then you know that nearly every page demands death, hell fire, slavery, rape etc. for the unbeliever. Frankly Islam and Mohammed can go fuck themselves.

                • First off all you’re the one that should fuck yourself dont you dare to bring our prophet Muhammad (PBUH) or Allah in this, if you were to blame anyone then its us Muslims not our religion. Second, yeah, us Muslims are Allah’s slaves, & do you even understand the holy Quran, do you know why the Quran mentioned hell fire, death, rape, etc

                  • Muhammad was a pedophile who raped his own daughter and then ordered his people to kill all non-believers of Allah!!!! ISLAM sucks and ISLAM must be eradicated at any cost. We can all begin by doing something , let’s say by burning a Quran each day!!!!

                    • Its hard to get a real koran. As its a fetish object for muslims, they tend to control them closely. However a version with Mawdudi’s translation and commentary is available in English. I recommend that, and reading it first. However burning that one won’t satisfy. You have to go to a mosque bookstore to get a real koran for burning. It has to be Arabic only. But read a Mawdudi one first in English. Know why you hold it in at least partial contempt that it deserves.

              • Islam has ruined world’s peace…Only you all can be a terrorist coz ur allah,mohammad n quran teaches you to kill non-muslims…Islam is a curse to modern world…Go and eat some pork you son of bitch(fatima)

      • Radical Islamists want to cut your head off. Moderate muslims want radical muslims to cut your head off.

      • Too late… you are fucked! Our cultures and religions are incompatible. You do not belong here. Free to visit, but not stay. Do you see droves of westerners flocking to the middle east for a better life?

      • you should not insult peoples intellect by using taqiyya islamic lies. islam preaches to kill non muslims and lie to prevent harm to the religion. islam is so harmful to humanity that we could go back to the dark ages should the world fall under islamic rule. The entire scientific output of the 79 islamic countries being 1/20th of Spain with most of their papers on camel and horse breeding and. We should not allow these barbarians to do to us what barbarians did to Rome a long time ago. We should not let them live among us.

      • I’ve been studying Islam for the past 37 years. Sorry chum, but if you want to protect your religion, DO NOT encourage people to read the source materials! The contents of the Qur’an, the ahadith, the sira and sharia law would turn anyone withintelligence and a conscience off of Islam forever! What a brutal, vicious, misogynistic, violent, intolerant, dishonest creed Muhammad invented! Utterly unspiritual and devoid of merit. Once you know the actual doctrines of Islam, you understand why terrorists do what they do, and why Islam is so dangerous to the world. Are there nice Muslims? Sure, but they are the ones who don’t follow all of the tenets of the religion. In any case, Muslims aren’t the problem here; ISLAM is the problem.

        From your silly comments, I can only assume that you yourself have never read the foundational texts of this pseudo-religion. Instead, you’ve read the sugarcoated garbage presented by imams, mullahs and other Islamic apologists. They are all deceiving you, friend. There are very few nice verses in the Qur’an, and those that do exist were abrogated by the violent intolerant verses that came later. I suggest you follow your own advice and find out what Islam REALLY teaches. Stop listening to the spin doctors and use your brain.

      • Is it not true that just like the bible the Quran has two parts? The old part that is all about love and peace! Then you get to the juicy second part that states to forget the first part and to take over the world? It says that you can lie, cheat and kill your own brother, sister, father and mother to spread the word of allah! Now yes there are extremists in your religion who are trying to hurry the process but the rest of you are infiltrating into our societies and slowly changing the laws in our free society to follow sharia law! Sorry but this needs to stop!!! If you move to another country it is because you want to be a part of that culture. This means you leave behind the ways of your old country. When I moved country I was told to integrate into my new society why should Muslims not be made to do the same as everyone else?

      • Radical Islam is not a minority, it is a majority, that is the problem. more than 800 million Muslims believe that Sharia Law should be the Law of the Land. This means that the majority of Muslims believe in Honor Killing, Killing all Homosexuals, Killing people of all religions except Muslims, Amputation for thievery, Killing all converting Muslims, degradation of women’s rights (1/2 weight of the word of a woman compared to man in court, no testifying against a man for rape, women cannot drive, etc.), Killing all those who criticize Muslim beliefs including Muslims, and the list goes on.

    • A cancer like Christianity… Ask Native Americans…. A Monotheistic cancer. The world would be better without Christianity or Islam.

      • This is what is called in logic, the fallacy of false comparison or false analogy. Today and for a very long time, wherever there is suffering in the world, there are Christians with food, water, money and medicine to try and relieve the suffering of the people affected. You will not find a single socialist. They are too busy playing bongos or hanging around cafes trying to get laid.

        Christianity has its dark moments like every group ever. But Islam is scripturally commanded to darkness. It only allows for escaping hell in the afterlife by fighting jihad against the unbeliever and dying in that way. Your comparison is false, and if I may say, a little bitter.

      • First off, that was not true Christianity, as they are commanded in scripture to love others, and second off, that was based off manifest destiny, so your comparison is terrible. Third, your western morals of life were given to you by Christians due to their heavy influence. We convinced Rome to throw out their barbaric Colosseum games and boycotted them for their evil. Christians have built hospitals, fed the homeless and helped addicts. 4th, everyone gets bad moments,as we are all human. Should I bring Stalin or Hitler? They were Militant anti-theists. Islam by comparison has only mostly brought persecution. Putting Islam and Christianity in the same camp is rather cruel.

    • Let’s just see, after removing Islam, what do we get? Oh yes we get this.

      1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

      So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

      The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

      Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we dest60royed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.’” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

      Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

      2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

      They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

      Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

      Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

      3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

      As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

      What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

      4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

      If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

      What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

      5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

      If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

      It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

      6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

      Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

      Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

      This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

      7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

      “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

      Once again God approves of forcible rape.

      8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

      They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

      9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

      When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

      10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

      Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB).

      I almost feel bad for you guys. You just don’t know when you are wrong. I hope you will stop blaming us for your sins and also please learn English. It really does sound like you have not completed your education. Thank you.

      • Except that literally 0.000001% of Christians actually 100% follow the Bibles teachings, probably even less. Compare that to the around 70% of Muslims who wish to follow the Quran entirely and you see the present problem.

        • They don’t follow 100%. That’s horse shit. God help us if they really did. Then we’d all be screwed.

    • Like cancer it will probably kill its host. Cancer never survives itself-neither will Islam.

      • Cancer, like Islam, will die if isolated, as both need a host to feed off of. They cannot exist as self sustaining entities as they are both hostile and parasitical to put it mildly. But we don’t isolate it. We feed it. And now we have Trudeau, Obama, and Merkel who are robbing us all of our food, treasure, and daughters and force feeding it to them.

    • No hard hat, no boots, no job. Therefore, no Islam, no Sharia, no news….

      So if you don’t wear your hard hat and boots in the factory they will disqualify your hourly pay if you try to work unsafely. No job means no paychek. Real simple basic stuff.

      No if there was no Islam, there’d be no Sharia law, and there’d be no news, which means the media companies would be out of a job, therefore no paycheck.

  2. You really think that about islam? Shocking.. and really fugging ignorant.

    If you wanna blame anything, blame religion, not any specific. thats really small minded to think that one is worse that they other. All religions contain some part of the whole truth.

    If you wanna know the truth, you must know all religions. But people have been conditioned into thinking theirs is right, and the others are wrong, compounding matters. No one religion is completely right, as no one religion is completely wrong.

    Also, democracy you silly columnist guy, is where 49% of the population get what they dont want. its mob rule, thats why they may call it cancer. we are fousting it upon them like its a good thing, when it isnt, its a means of the big corps to control the masses.

    5% leads the masses in a democracy.. yes, 5%. and you think democracy is a good thing.

    *shakes head at you all*

    • You idiot, Muslim is not a religion – it is an ideology!
      Where is Hitler when you need him!

      • If hitles attacked the muslims they would be eliminated , the muslims where so weak at ww2 that hitler could eliminated ALL of them in yust a weekend … butt hitler had to rape the poor jews

    • It’s not about being right or wrong . It’s being rational enough to allow all people to worship peacefully . Islam is a sickness , like Ebola . Why do Muslims worship a pedophile ? Muhammad’s last wife was 9 yrs old . How much sicker can you get ? No wonder Islam is so messed up . Muhammad was not like Jesus ,not even close .
      Religion is not the problem . Islam is the problem . You don’t see Catholics , Protestants , Jews, Hindus , or any other religion threatening death if you don’t ” join up ” . Are you serious man ? You have been brainwashed like all the Islamists . How about you pick up a bible , because if you stand for nothing , you will fall for anything . !!
      Islam is not just a religion , it is an ideology , a way of thinking , a way of living ,a way of government . And it’s real messed up .

      • W.G.McMunn: “It’s not about being right or wrong . It’s being rational enough to allow all people to worship peacefully .”

        I’ll rephrase that: “It’s not about being right or wrong . It’s being rational enough to allow all people to shoot-up peacefully .”

        Islam is 99% pure crack. When it hit the market the addicts became irrational, violent and suicidal. The idea of governments and rulers was to control the supply that was cut with a debased material to ground them. They did not anticipate ganstas would go out produce their own; and that after three shots the high would be so addicted that if they came off they would die.

    • It is always funny to be called ignorant by people who have obviously never read any islamic scripture or history, and condescend to me from a false axiom, not because its true but because you need it to be true.

      You have no case, so it comes down to insults.

      Adam don’t go into law if you ever grow up. You will send a lot of clients to jail.

      • if small radical groups can do this much damage and the vast peaceful majority of muslims cant stop them the they are not a small groups any more. it has been going on for 1400 years

    • I am a staunch atheist and I vehemently disagree with you. I see it as all religions being poison to humanity with Islam clearly being the most toxic. Islam is the only religion where if you disagree with them, they might try to kill you. I haven’t heard of any other religion where they do suicide bombings to make their point. And lets not forget the end goal of Islam: a unified Islamic state. They are willing to die for their terrorist jihad to accomplish this goal. Lets also mention that their prophet was nothing more than a self-serving pedophile. That’s right, good old Mohammed had over a dozen wives, some of which were prepubescent girls that he somehow obtained from their fathers.

    • For your edification I hope, from one of the most liberal guys out there, Bill Maher, who has mocked Christianity adamantly.

      Posted on September 10, 2014
      Maher vs. Charlie Rose: To Claim Islam Is Like Other Religions Is Naive And Plain Wrong

      Bill Maher clashed with Charlie Rose over Islam during an appearance on Rose’s Bloomberg Television program this week. Maher, the host of Real Time on HBO, scoffed at Rose’s numerous attempts to link Islam to Christianity and to try to disavow radical Muslims as representatives of the religion. Rose contended numerous times that “moderate Muslims” do not approve of the actions of radical groups like ISIS. Maher noted Muslims when polled overwhelmingly agree with ideas like killing those who leave Islam and stoning adulterers. Rose said the Koran does not teach Muslims to do “these kind of things.” Below is a transcript of their conversation:

      BILL MAHER: I saw Howard Dean on TV the other day and he said something along the order, he said the people in ISIS — he said I’m about as Islamic as they are, you know, distancing the vast numbers of Islamic people around the world from them. That’s just not true.

      CHARLIE ROSE: It is true.

      MAHER: It is not true, Charlie. There is a connecting tissue between —

      ROSE: Behind every Muslim is a future member of some radical?

      MAHER: Let me finish.

      ROSE: I was doing that.

      MAHER: There are illiberal beliefs that are held by vast numbers of Muslim people that —

      ROSE: A vast number of Christians too.

      MAHER: No, that’s not true. Not true. Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens. Vast numbers of Christians —

      ROSE: I agree with that —

      MAHER: — do not believe if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should get killed for it. So yes, does ISIS do Khmer Rouge-like activities where they just kill people indiscriminately who aren’t just like them? Yes. And would most Muslim people in the world do that or condone that? No.

      ROSE: No.

      MAHER: But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think.

      ROSE: How do you know that?

      MAHER: They do. First of all they say it. They shout it.

      ROSE: Vast majorities of Muslims say that?

      MAHER: Absolutely. There was a Pew poll in Egypt done a few years ago — 82% said, I think, stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery. Over 80% thought death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the Muslim religion. I’m sure you know these things.

      ROSE: Well I do. But I don’t believe —

      MAHER: So to claim that this religion is like other religions is just naive and plain wrong. It is not like other religious. The New York Times pointed out in an op-ed a couple weeks ago that in Saudi Arabia just since August 4th, they think it was, they have beheaded 19 people. Most for non-violent crimes including homosexuality.

      ROSE: I know that they cut the hands off the thief.

      MAHER: Right, okay, so we’re upset that ISIS is beheading people which we should be upset about but Saudi Arabia does it and they’re our good friends because they have oil. Okay. But they do it too. This is the center of the religion. I’m not saying –

      ROSE: But they’re now fighting against ISIS too. They’re joining us in the fight. As is the Emirates. As is Jordan. They are all Muslim countries.

      MAHER: Well, they are both fighting ISIS and they are for ISIS.

      ROSE: Well, it’s not the government. I mean, some of them —

      MAHER: Certainly the governments.

      ROSE: It’s a bit like today about Qatar. The big story today in The New York Times about Qatar. And some guy there is supporting, who is a Muslim —

      MAHER: But I mean in Mecca where infidels, non-Muslims, are not even allowed in the holy parts of the city. I mean, right there, we don’t have that example in other religions. They do behead people. Now if they were beheading people in Vatican City, which is the equivalent of Mecca, don’t you think there would be a bigger outcry about it? So this is the soft bigotry of low expectations with Muslim people. When they do crazy things and believe crazy things, somehow it’s not talked about nearly as much.

      ROSE: Would you come to the table and debate this with a moderate Muslim?

      MAHER: Find one, yes. Find one.

      ROSE: I promise you I’ll find one.

      MAHER: Find a Muslim —

      ROSE: I do believe that what we see with ISIS is not representative of —

      MAHER: As I said, connecting tissue.

      ROSE: — not representative of the Islamic religion. I don’t think the Koran teaches them to do these kinds of things.

      MAHER: Well you’re wrong about that. The Koran absolutely has on every page stuff that’s horrible about how the infidels should be treated. But for example again ISIS says that they should perform genital mutilation on all women 11-46. Would most Muslims agree with that? No. Or carry it out? No.

      But as Ayaan Hirsi Ali points out, she says —

      ROSE: I wouldn’t expect for her to —

      MAHER: And she would know better than —

      ROSE: Exactly.

      MAHER: But can we really say —

      ROSE: She’s been a victim.

      MAHER: — women are treated equally in the Muslim world? I mean, their testimony in court is very often counted as half. They need permission to leave the house in some places.

      ROSE: But a lot of moderate Muslims would say in fact one of the things that we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women.

      MAHER: But in this country, if you just use the wrong word about women, they go nuts. And all these other countries —

      ROSE: As they should.

      MAHER: — they’re doing things like making them wear burqas and I hear liberals say things like, ‘they want to.’ They want to. They’ve been brainwashed. It’s like saying a street walker wants to do that.

      • Haha !! Every page in the Quran contains horrible things? ISIS are the true Muslims??? Who believes it? How about the others living in Makka? Not practicing? How funny.
        .
        Take this..
        Powerful God is. He gave us the Quran. He made it so clear. He protects it from modification ( never changed since it was revealed)
        .
        If you are going to believe what’s said about the Quran without reading it, or with taking texts out of context, then I’ll see you as a close-minded person.
        Check it out Quran . com

        • I have read the Koran some of it is says one thing ,then down the line it says the exact opposite ,what twisted ass wipe puts that they leave a religion to be killed that is not the word of Gabriel the arch Angel beloved of God would say on behalf of God .But I will give you another name from antiquity”lucifer” the fallen or to in plain English Satan.so answer that Muslim !!!! In Christian teaching we are taught that beware of false prophets and Mohammed the ass hole is it !!! Muslims are a cancer to the world as they started the war with us Christians over a thousand years ago not us as these degenerate Muslims think.but the last crusade is coming in a specified time already as we are in it ,and by God the world will rid of it the cancer called islam

          • To make matters worse, learn what ‘abrogation’ in the koran is. It explains what you have observed. Its actually slightly worse than your own analysis.

        • We only need to see how it is interpreted by Muslims of all degrees. This is a text written by a few literates which was dictated by illiterates.

          The Quran may say be peaceful and loving, but if a Muslim believes peace and love are gained by violence towards those of a different faith, then the entirety of the followers should be removed from the face of humanity forever.

    • Religion is for weak minded people. It helps them understand the world around them and I guess gives them some comfort. But, Islam is a militant world ideology… it is enforced with brutality. Islam teaches intolerance and hatred. Even non-radical Muslims believe all others are Infidels. It is what they are taught. Notice that it is always young Muslims that die fighting, the Mullahs sit and watch, while promoting vile hatred in the Mosques. I truly believe that Islam will one day rule the world, not because it is right, but because it is fascist murderous cult. Liberals are naive and will be hoisted with their own petardd by the Muslims.

      • Mr. Munster:

        Religion may or may not be for “weak minded people” but I promise you that those people that have religion, real religion not Islam, are the ones that have fought for our freedoms against tyranny over and over again. They are the ones that go to North and West Africa and buy slaves from muslim slave raiders and return them to their own villages.

        They are the ones who bring medicine to the sick and food to the needy even though those same people are often the ones who in some ways stood in the way of the development of the technologies of the development of those medicines and foods. Winston Churchill spoke specifically to that and quite cynically but not incorrectly.

        Humans are imperfect and life can be very very hard at times. And I can’t help but notice from my own tiny vantage point that the religious people have more success in overcoming some of life’s obstacles, like staying married, raising children with good values and generally being a net gain to the world.

        It makes no real difference if their religions are true. But it makes all the difference in the world how those religions shape people into good community members and good citizens.

        It also looks to me like the only countries in the world worth living in are pretty much Christian or post Christian and one thats Jewish. Possibly certain far Eastern countries which are Buddhist or post Buddhist but they haven’t developed anything like the thriving civilizations that post Christian nations have. And no matter how you slice it, if you look honestly, a great deal of that has to do with Christianity and its merger with Greek thought in Rome, Greece, Byzantium and Western Europe. Hell if Muslims hadn’t forced civilization into a dark age, Western man would be on other planets by now.

        Maybe its a good thing we aren’t. Because some idiot leftist would have started a #i’llastronautwithyou and brought Muslims with us to other planets where they would be blowing up our coffee shops, raping all our kids and knocking over buildings and acting like these were all major accomplishments.

        • I agree with you about Christian or Jewish countries being the best places to live. My point about religion being for weak minded people was misplaced in this discussion. I think also Buddhists tend to be reasonable and peaceful as well. I guess what I meant was that religion can lead anyone astray, and religion in general is the cause of much war, oppression and violence historically. I think when a “religion” such as islam becomes such a problem, it must be destroyed. I don’t believe modern christianity is a bad thing at all, but in the past, evil people have usurped it. I support freedom of religion, but I also support freedom from religion. Noone should be brainwashed and forced to believe something that is not true. As for me, I was once a devout Christian, but I truly see no point in religion anymore. I am not saying there is no God, i just don’t think any religion can say what God is. For all we know, God was an ancien advanced alien in a space ship that appeared to primitive people.

        • BTW, many of the greatest scientists in the world that have cured diseases and advanced technology are Atheists. So, I don’t think you can categorically state that religious people do better in life. I don’t think the people in Jonestown did better the branch Davidians did not do better…. the list goes on and on. I will choose reason, logic and freewill any day over superstition and fiction.

          • Mr. Munster you can’t judge a book by its cover you can’t shit talk about Islam when you never even tried being a muslim. you can;t judge based on people’s opinion & trust me when you read or listen to the quran you’ll know why 99.8 people around the world convert to islam & instead of you hating why can’t you do some studies & then speak

    • Read the Koran, read the hadiths. Then read some Sgaria law and see how you feel about Islam. See if it feels much different than satanism or Nazism to you. Did you know that Islamic doctrine teaches that Christ will return to earth to murder all of the people who worshipped him instead of Momo? It’s true. Islam is a bastardization of Christianity and Judiasm.

    • You sure talk about “all religion” but haven’t give anything specific.
      The deepest religion is Hinduism, the most peaceful is Buddhism and the most modernized is Sikhism.
      Islam is one of the worst religion to have with a lot of violent teachings, compared to other religions.
      You obviously didn’t how the economy works saying that 5% of population control all the others, yes economy, it has nothing to do with democracy. Have you heard China? It’s a communist country with the same economic model with most first world country.
      Go learn basic Economic 101 before you talk please kiddo.

    • Muslims can not integrate in USA
      Theologically – no, because his allegiance is to Allah.

      Religiously – no, because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Qur’an 2:256).

      Scripturally – no, because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Qur’an.

      Geographically – no, because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

      Socially – no, because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

      Politically – no, because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders) who teach the annihilation of Israel and the destruction of America, the great Satan.
      Domestically – no, because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat his wife when she disobeys him (Qur’an 4:34).

      Intellectually – no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

      Philosophically – no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Qur’an does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist! Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

      Spiritually – no, because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’ we are referring to the Christian’s God and not Allah.

      Therefore, after much study and deliberation, perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and good Americans/Canadians; they cannot and will not integrate into the great melting pot of America.

      The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. Muslims everywhere have said they will destroy us from within.

    • Very dogmatic and closed minded. Hope you never need the peace of the lamb and the refuge of his church. It’s all good until someone loses an eye then it is religions fault. Grow up.

  3. Adam, you are the ignorant one. Most religions preach peace and have the “golden rule”. Islam preaches convert, surrender or die.

  4. I have thought to myself for some time now, that without the existence of Islam we would have achieved that lifelong dream of mankind, the existence of World Peace. In fact Islam is just about the only obstacle stopping us from doing so. Funnily enough though, Muslims think that Islam is the only thing that can bring about World Peace which is like saying that drinking a deadly poison is the only way to make you healthy.
    When will the World wake up and realize that not only should Islam not be tolerated as a religion, but every effort be made to completely destroy it and completely remove it from this planet.

    • God is big enough to fight for himself
      He needs no help from no losers and criminals
      heading to hells .

      • I heard differently….viz….”God works through angels”,,,& that God works in mysterious ways…. you know people who hurt others go to hell and not the ones who are trying to live peacefully…only if ISLAM and the followers of Islam who are blind as a Bat…and shamelessly turn a blind eye to all the inhuman activities the jihadis do….tell me this if your son beats your neighbour’s son or throws stones at them…what shall you do…& u tell them he’s not bad from the heart and he’s a good boy…they can believe this once….but the second and the third time it becomes a joke of an excuse…and your neighbours would be a Damn good Fool to not do anything about it in time…Coz we can surely see where and how that’ll end.

        • Nothing says peace like throwing a gay man off a building, hacking your daughter to death for looking at a boy, or burying a woman in dirt up to her beck and stoning her to death for marrying a Jewish man, huh Islam? There’s a reason this cult is spread by the sword and not by the word of mouth!

    • It will take a threat big enough to our survival that good people are willing to defend themselves. We still cannot believe that there are actually humans who refuse to be influenced by goodness, that there are people who love evil and can’t stand the existence of good people.

    • “In fact Islam is just about the only obstacle stopping us from doing so.”

      From your personal perspective, sure. But understand that this is a globe of 7 billion people, and not all of us judge obstacles as you do.

      For example, there are those humans who believe that capitalism is an obstacle to world peace.

      You are one person, sitting in one specific place on the globe, what you see as obstacles to world peace are not going to be the same as what another person see’s as obstacles from the other side of the globe.

      I think there are more obstacles to peace than you realise.

      In fact, if you study basic human behaviour, you will quickly come to realise that world peace, as you seem to define it, is not possible.

      We like to mess with each other a little too much. We always find a reason, and a way.

      Islam is just one reason for you. There are many others for many others. Give up your naieve dreams of world peace and just get your own thing right first, its all any of us can do.

      • The only reason anyone thinks capitalism is an obstacle to world peace is because they’re a totalitarian communist. Open minded people who go their own way and make their own decisions are no obstacle to anyone. Totalitarians unite! Islam, go take over China, Russia, Cuba and Venezuela. Leave the sane world alone or we will meet again at the gates of Vienna!

  5. Sr?a Trifkovi? makes an excellent and useful demo in this video clip. Is it from the “What the West Needs to Know” documentary?

    Not only will I link this video, I will add it to my own ‘pocket links’. I always keep a copy of the US Constitution with me and bring it out when conversation warrants it. Inserting a simple outlined image of the global map punctuated with stickers identifying all the locations of current Islamic bloodshed – just as Trifkovi? does in the video, should make opportunity for many much needed illuminating conversations.

  6. Adam is a typical hard core leftist. He hates all religions and he hates democracy. A Marxist-Leninist trying to sound reasonable. Actually he has a soft spot for Islam as all leftists do. Muzzie and Commies love getting into bed together as they share so many common racist values, such as hating Jews and Hating Americans. Adam you are a racist trying to cover for your racist friends. But hey the Zionist-Crusader alliance is on to you Mr Racist.

    • The difference between a conservative vegetarian and a liberal vegetarian: the conservative vegetarian doesn’t eat meat. The liberal vegetarian insists that you stop eating meat. Now insert whatever term you want for “vegetarian” and you will understand why liberals link arms with Islamists. They want control. They can’t stand anyone having a single thought or making a single move that they don’t approve of. They want to control your every thought and action and to make you afraid of thinking for yourself. Totalitarians will always seek out fellow kindred spirits.

      • Excellent analogy Julia.

        Where it will fall apart on them is that liberal vegetarians apparently eat meat once they have had a few drinks. That’s according to a study I saw just today.

        Of course once the muslims are in control there will be no more drinks.

        Conflict ensues.

      • Muslims can not integrate in USA
        Theologically – no, because his allegiance is to Allah.

        Religiously – no, because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Qur’an 2:256).

        Scripturally – no, because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Qur’an.

        Geographically – no, because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

        Socially – no, because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

        Politically – no, because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders) who teach the annihilation of Israel and the destruction of America, the great Satan.
        Domestically – no, because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat his wife when she disobeys him (Qur’an 4:34).

        Intellectually – no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

        Philosophically – no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Qur’an does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist! Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

        Spiritually – no, because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’ we are referring to the Christian’s God and not Allah.

        Therefore, after much study and deliberation, perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and good Americans/Canadians; they cannot and will not integrate into the great melting pot of America.

        The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. Muslims everywhere have said they will destroy us from within.

        • The way I see it is, a person who is muslim is a problem in direct proportion to the extent to which they are obedient to the precepts and tenets of Islam. Even the Leftist apologists know this and leak it when they refer to ‘Islamic extremists’ since it is the extreme of islam which causes people to quite literally explode in the service of islam by killing opponents of islamic manifest destiny and no other extreme version of religion such as say, Tibetan Buddhist monks which have a thousand times more reason to explode in the presence of Chinese officials than muslims do under any circumstances.

          Therefore it is a continuum. The more religious is the muslim, the more of a threat.

  7. To sum up Buddhism in six words:
    DO NO EVIL
    DO ALL GOOD
    And the reverse is true with Islam !

    • The difference between a region and a cult are myriad; a cult asks you to separate yourself and never assimilate, to murder those who break away from the faith, to cast out friends and family members who don’t worship as you do. It insists that you give your money, talent and life to the faith. A religion asks many things of you, but only of the faithful. It never pushes its beliefs on others or forces those outside of the faith to submit to it. Islam does not mean “peace”, as many claim. It means “submit.” It means under threat of the sword submit, under threat of slavery submit. It is not a religion and should never be treated as such.

  8. Iftardinner Ahmad is nowhere to be seen… And that’s because, if there is one thing mahoundians can’t handle, it is the truth about their sick cult of the black cube.

    • I like to call them the harvest God worshippers. Great, if you want to go worship Allah, the harvest moon God, go right ahead. Leave the rest of the world out of it. And stop migrating places and going on the dole.

  9. Adam & to those leftists who think like him:

    You spew the all religions are bad retoric yet in the same paragraph claim that all religions have part of the answer in them just not the whole answer.
    That counterdiction alone shows the lack of thinking on your part & adds to the fact that you chose to just use talking points rather than discus what was actually in the video.

    Adam I have seen for years that when you and your type decide to comment on these counter jihad websites you NEVER actually address what was being discussed. Rather you pick something that was not being debated. No one here was debating religion. What was being shown was that whenever Islam butts up against non muslims there is violence. Of course since this is concrete fact there is no way for you to argue so instead you choose to go off topic to try to attack. It does your side no good because since this tactic is used so often we see right through it like a window pane.

    It appears you are an Atheist. I too was an Atheist for 32 of my 35 years. 3 years ago I found Bhuddism which suits me fine. If it is true that you are an Atheist you need to stop showing so much contempt for religion. It makes Atheism look bad. Atheism already is misunderstood way too much and it does not help at all that leftists like you choose to try to mix Atheism into your politics.

    In my life being a political libertarian/conservative along with being an ardent Atheist at the same time I always felt alienated by both the left and the right. The left because they used Atheism as a weapon to attack religion against their right wing political rivals, and by the right who saw so many liberals use Atheism that way were suspicious of anyone who could be conservative & Atheist at the same time.
    As a leftist you need to admit that it is Islam that is the only religion on earth right now that is using acts of violence to attain its goals. When you do not it shows that you have blinders on and make your selves look ignorant.

    Einsamkeit

  10. Western civilisation is based on Judeo-Christian-Islamic doctrine. The late Pim Fortuyn’s view of Islam as backwards because of its views on homosexuality. Christians and Judaism also share the Islamic view. Why did Pim pick on Islam?

    Multiculturalism involves a level of complexity which cannot be understood from the prospective of any single discipline. Instead, historical, cultural, linguistic, political, economic, educational, sociological and psychological factors and processes all play critical role.

    Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. We live in a rapidly changing world.

    Islam is the largest non-Christian faith in Britain, and has the worst press. It is the only religion about which it is permissible to publicly express uninformed hostile opinions. According to Lord Hattersley, fundamentalism is less acceptable when it is not white. Islam has been a focal point for the new racism, and remains on the edge of mainstream British life. The changing political and legal environment in western countries across the board has undermined the quality of life of western Muslims. Many face discrimination in the work place, are victims of racial and religious profiling, international travel has become difficult and risky. Islamic institutions, and particularly Masajid and Islamic Charities face harassment and unnecessary scrutiny. The murder of a Dutch film producer, the denial of a visa to the US for Tariq Ramadan and the humiliation deportation of Yusuf Islam from the US immediately on arrival are all front page news all over the world. Cryer caused great offence within the Muslim community by her pronouncements on issues of children not speaking English at home, and her criticism of transcontinental marriages. The choice of wives ensures that the children will grow up confident and familiar in both cultures. France officially mourns Pope but bans Muslim scarf. It shows the hypocrisy of French Secularism.

    Islam is not a culture but a body of principals and universal values. British Muslims are enriching for the whole society. From the Middle Ages, Islam has participated in the building of a European as well as British consciousness. The influence of Islamic civilisation on the literary and philosophical traditions is innumerable

    The whole world belongs to Muslims because they are well versed in standard English and they could go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they are well versed in Arabic language to serve Arabic speaking Muslim and non-Muslim communities in the Middle East. They are also well versed in Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

    The British schooling is being used to make them notoriously monolingual Brits so that they find themselves cut off from the countries of origin and make them racist just like native Brits who are unable to speak hardly any foreign language. On top of that about Seven million Brits are unable to read and write English. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.
    Ia
    http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

    • Western culture is not at all based on Islamic doctrine, that is absurd. At least American culture is not. The founding Fathers believed in freedom of religion, and in a fundamental sense, freedom from religious persecution. How can you think Islam has anything to do with freedom. Islam is about enslaving your mind to a 5th century mindset. It is not at all about enlightenment or freewill.
      Saying that western culture is based on anything Muhammed taught is political correctness to the absurd.

      • Ahmed is a twat. Pay no attention. He does the classic Islamic bullshit art that they have been doing forever. Islam is not about the truth. Its about any and every conceivable method to make Islam supreme.

        If you want to see rather compelling evidence of this from this exact issue, read G.K. Chesterton’s book. The Flying Inn.

        It was published 100 years ago this year in 1914 and is aboout an imaginary detente with Islam and the UK. In it various muslim ‘scholars’ make up crap claiming that Islam is responsible for every possible invention and convenience even while banning or destroying the same inventions and conveniences. Quite stunning that anyone ever falls for it. But they do. Polite people tend to give latitude.

        The Flying Inn is available as a free download PDF and even as an Audio Book. You might get a kick out of it cause parts of it are like reading Ol’ Iftikhar Ahmed here except as pantomimed by a brilliant English author 100 years ago.

        • You raise an excellent point. How is anyone to take serious a faith that says it’s perfectly ok to lie to anyone outside of the faith in order to promote islam, and that murder, rape and slavery is perfectly ok for anyone outside of Islam?

      • It’s interesting though to read about the Barbary pirates, who were followers of Islam. They had quite a slave trade in white Europeans at the beginning of America. Read what the founding fathers had to say about Islam and how they equated it to pure evil. Franklin had a copy if the Koran and he studied it copiously in order to understand how to get the best of a culture that seemed pure evil to those in the new world.

    • You ARE a cancer mate. You and your ragheads contribute nothing but perverted violence. You hate Jews you hate Christians- where do you stand on the massacre of the Yadizis? Eh? You’ve contributed zero to the world ever except war rape & destruction. Did you produce an Einstein? Did you produce Nobel Peace prize winners- Anwar Sadat- and then you murdered him! You will be erased by population chemotherapy! In shallah!!!

    • That’s a whole bunch of crazy. First of all, no Islamic person believes that Allah is the Christian God. If they did they wouldn’t insist that all Christian and Judiac figures be covered with sack cloth whenever they enter the room. You can see this in all the public speeches of President Islama at Catholic colleges..oh sorry, I mean Obama.

      Allah was the harvest moon God at the time that the Middle East was polytheistic. Mohammed decided to create a religion that would incorporate the moon God that all were familiar with in order to garner as many followers as possible.

      Aside from all of its teachings (in which Islam can be seen as the opposite of all Christian and Jewish faiths) Islam also has the distinction of preaching that Jesus will return to the earth s judgement day to murder anyone who didn’t swear allegiance to Allah…so, ha ha, it’s cute that you think Islam is an Abrahamic faith?. Uh, no. No way.

  11. Western Civ is based on Judo Christian doctrine, Islam has nothing to do with its formation and only seeks to destroy it.

    Bob if Islam is removed from the world we would still have people like Adam who want to tell us how to live our lives, while he will get real upset with my next statement Marxism is in many ways a religion disguised as a political ideology. It has Prophets, Saints, Devils and Holy Writings, and it like Islam wants to force everyone into its belief system.

  12. This whole discussion is based on the wrong premise from the start. That Islam is a religion. It is not a religion.

    • I second that. It’s a political movement and a death cult, all rolled into one. When I went to school they taught us ten rules for how to determine a religion from a cult and I will never forget them. Number one was that a cult will kill you if you try to leave.

  13. Adam as Islamic representative Iftikhar Ahmad said: “The whole world belongs to Muslims”

    Which means it is the only religion that believe all other religions and beliefs must live under Islam.

    No other religion or belief has ever believed such none sense with the exception of Atheism.

  14. ramjetejmar there is a whole lot of truth in your statement, it is more a political ideology then a theology, and the theological parts are borrowed/stolen from Christianity and Judaism. Anyone who reads the Torah (which includes all of the Old Testament as well as some other books) and the New Testament then reads the Koran can see that it is a complete ripoff and bastardization of both religions. This is why the Moslems hate the idea of Bibles in their nations and don’t want archeologists digging up the Biblical past, any of the finds that touch on religion show both Judaism and Christianity have a historical connection to that area but nothing has been found to support Islam and the claims of Mohammad.

  15. Islam has nothing to do with western civilization. It is seeks to destroy the west and has always had imperialism and enslaving the west as it aim. However, it failed to do so. Please do not start the trash about 9 million inventions of islam. We have heard all the garbage before. Islam can not even find oil by themselves. The Americans found it for the Saudis. Islam rightly understood is an ideology like Nazism or Communism. It does have some religion in there but it so small like the brains of muzzies. The muzzies have a hard time enslaving anyone who does not live in a desert some reason. They always enslave desert dwellers. The rest of the world remains relatively safe from them and seems to grow richer and more powerful by the day. Both China and India have emerged richer than the desert Umma just recently. So I am convinced the time of Islam is over and it is back to the desert on a fast camel as soon as the oil runs out in about thirty years.

  16. The whole world belongs to Muslims because they are well versed in standard English and they could go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they are well versed in Arabic language to serve Arabic speaking Muslim and non-Muslim communities in the Middle East. They are also well versed in Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

    Now you are being silly. Muslims are poor people. They are third world types living in the desert. No Muslim country makes it into the top ten biggest economies of the world. They dominate the worst countries in the world list or the failed state list. You will find Afganistan, Iraq and Somalia in the worst hell holes on earth list, or the failed states list for 2o11. Muslims win no wars. They failed every in every single conflict in modern times. They live on handouts from richer nations who take them in and let them run around with their Death to America chanting sessions. They are colorful bunch. What would we do without them and their silly ideas of taking over the world. They can not even take over little Israel! Beats them every time and makes them cry on cue for the cameras! Just because they can speak a few languages does not mean much. It is power that matters not learning Hindi which you call Urdu and English. Stop learning these Kuffar languages and start learning Arabic. You waste so much time on these Kuffar languages. Shame on you for wasting your time. Your Bin Laden chose never to speak in English as it befouled his mouth when speaking this Kuffar language. This was his deliberate policy and here you are boasting about speaking Kuffar languages. Shame on you!

  17. Right, so i am a leftist commie whatever. yeah, i see.

    What the hell is that, a cliche-counter-cliche. that is funny. [i am calling you cliche]

    You are all saying that islam is bad, that they are the ones that are causing all the shit in the world, and that the world would be better without them. Thats just really ignorant, and are the exact thoughts that you and we are meant to beleive.

    All these ists, communism, socialism etc are just manufactured social constructs designed to set this reality.

    The serfs of old had their ism, it was called feudalism. To the serfs, that was normal. just as you think its normal for us to go to school and uni and get jobs and pay tax, with a royal family or president as head of state etc. Only, we arent like the serfs of old, because we have our freedom. Only, its all relative really. i.e. we dont have our freedom.

    So, back to Islam. Who controls the west. Judeo-Christians and a bunch of Zionists (Both Jews and Gentiles, all in it for the Money and the Power, and probably a bunch of other sinister things). They are the ones that control all that matters in the west, and the many families that are all intertwined have made a lot of Money of time mainly through war. Between who has never mattered, they just sold to both sides.

    Anti-semitism was a legislation heavily sponsored by all Zionists, both Jewish and Gentile. This enabled them to take control of the Jewish faith and its horrible history (as well as a lot of other races and creeds, but seldom highlighted) so that they may have the state of Israel maintained and expanded. You now have racism and anti-semitism, and the zionists are the main ones crying out about the latter, especially when there is something they want to do.

    So, they are the ones who are rocking the boat, the jihad that you hear is really something they are creating and helping to train, where do you think your tax (if you’re american) is going?

    The best thing to be is nice, and not hate a bunch of people a million miles away, more to the point dont hate people closer if you are a million miles away from where the evil ‘muzzies’ (i am assuming you call them that) live.

    Hate is a powerful emotion, and you shouldn’t hate cause of what you see on the news, as the news is designed to instigate negative emotions.

    Don’t beleive me? Fine.

    • LoL, you think “jews are evil” “money is evil” this proves that you are indeed a leftist, you may not realize it yourself, but you are, you have been brainwashed, the elite would call you an useful idiot. There is nothing evil about Jews, Christians or money, the marxists want you to believe that there is when in fact the root of evil is in leftist ideologies, in post-modernism, in Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Kim iljong chong, Friedrich Engels aka etc etc. Basically, the human brain is the possible root of evil.
      You should read Plato and Immanuel Kant for a start, the root of good(moral)(rationality) is there.

    • ALL totalitarians are bad, be they Communists, Islamists, Satanists, Nazis, whatever. ANY belief system that preaches that anyone who doesn’t believe or act as I do must die or be enslaved is pure evil and must be eradicated, as the Nazis once were. Totalitarians have a nasty way of banding together against sane, democratically minded people, as the Islamists did with the Nazis during the third Reich. Any wonder why Al Banna’s Muslim Brotherhood is taking over secular countries in the Middle East today? It’s the rise of totalitarianism in the world. It brings the reich out of hiding.

  18. My religion will destroy the cancers of democracy, atheism and capitalism more thoroughly than Islam or Communism will ever do. When a capitalist talks about the laws of economics, he denies the free will of humans, at least of himself. The enterpreneur says he has no free will, he follows the laws of econonomics. He admits he is an animal, a thing, something to disposed off. India and China will destroy themselves by capitalism. They made themselves dependent on Muslim oil, and will follow Europe in the grave.
    When Western man talks about democracy, he is practicing taqiyya, not nifaq, after all the kufr of democracy is on the outside.

    • You have been brain washed. All you believe is I’m a book written by a man. A self serving one at that. All the enlightenment in the world can not show you the light.

      • Bro’ Ur words will fall on the deaf ears….coz the azan in the mosques are too loud for a Muslim to hear the cries of humanity….ISLAM is not a religion which preaches or allows rational thinking…..from several years of training and human programming…they are taught everything out of qua ran is bad….No matter how beautiful it may be…..and everything in qua ran is good no matter how barbaric it may be…like “with out “halal” the meat of any animal is “haram”…they half slice the neck and live the animal to die a tragic and painful death…all for the sake of some Mohammed who fooled there ancestors into believing…all sorts of sick things …..and made the religion of brainwashed sick lunatic fool who are programmed to always keep fighting and disrupt peace and Fu#k with anyone who is not lunatic like ’em…….Islam is against people with sane mind.

  19. A guaranteed minimum income will be introduced, at least for believers. All attempts by entrepreneurs to destroy this guaranteed minimum income by inflation, will be severly punished, not in the least by eternal damnation.

  20. Iftikhar Ahmad says:
    Multiculturalism is…..about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity – A typical example of meaningless twaddle. Who appointed him chief propagandist and purveyor of linguistic distortions?

    Kindly allow me the right to form my own opinion on multiculturalism and diversity without passing off your interpretation as some irrefutable or established fact. Strip away the doublespeak and multiculturalism and diversity is more likely to be a source of division and strife, a more accurate interpretation than Iftikhars distortion of language which seeks to depict them as some mythical source of unity and strength.

    Iftikhar might ask himself why most Islamic countries have little toleration for multiculturalism or diversity, including different strands of its own religion. Maybe he could enlighten them about the strength of diversity, and prevent them slaughtering each other? It would certainly be a better use of his time than lecturing western societies and accusing them of racism if they dare to value their own culture above others.

    He also clearly regret that islam ‘’remains on the edge of mainstream British life’’
    I don’t share your regret Iftikhar. I am reassured by the lack of dominance Islam has in British life, having no wish to pray 5 times a day or even be disturbed by the hectoring summons to others. Nor do I yearn for other aspects of Islamic culture such as discrimination against women, gays, or any group deemed to offend islam. Nor do I wish to see floggings stoning’s, beheadings, FGM, forced marriages, polygamy or any other backward practice still prevalent in many Islamic societies.

    What Iftikhar smears with his accusation of ‘new racism’ is my reasoned and civilised repugnance for a backward and cruel ideology that should not be allowed to take root in any civilised society.

    I also dislike the tiresome victim mentality in this statement ‘’ The changing political and legal environment in western countries across the board has undermined the quality of life of western Muslims.’’

    Well Iftikhar there is a solution I’m sure there are plenty of Islamic countries eager to welcome fellow muslims. I also wonder if you ever stop to consider that the average non-muslim westerner might feel that their quality of life and their economic wellbeing is being systematically and permanently undermined by the high level of third world immigration, and the alien cultural norms being imported into their society? Somehow I doubt it.

    Iftikhar makes a self-serving claim that these alien cultures ‘enrich’ western societies. Wow, how lucky are we! It might even be true in a few limited instances. Except no one asked if we wanted to be ‘enriched, and growing numbers are openly rebelling, stating they weren’t asked and they don’t want it, to the point that the very term ‘cultural enrichment’ has become a negative term, a standing joke against political correctness. A disdainful reference to the negative aspects of the failed ideology of multiculturalism and its controversial and disputed notions of ‘cultural enrichment’.

    Iftikhar says ‘’Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival.’’

    How dare you! Who gave you the right to offer up MY country as some form of global sacrifice, at the disposal of all, and saviour of the planet? Arrant nonsense! Go lecture Saudi Arabia on why they should spend their fabulous wealth and sacrifice their country out of concern for humanity, the planet and accommodating ‘all people’.

    I’d pay money to hear that Iftikhar, but I suspect it wouldn’t even occur to you to think it. Typical hypocrisy, Islamic lands for muslims, and non-Islamic lands up for grabs and ripe for takeover. Fewer and fewer people are fooled by the diversity nonsense, we know the true agenda.

    Iftikhar (without a shred of irony) says ‘international travel has become difficult and risky’ – Yes, it has Iftikhar, all those long queues the security checks, the banning of liquids the queue at immigration due to newly imposed visa controls, the occasional hijacked plane slamming into buildings. Yes, indeed it has, and where do you suggest we look for the reasons why?

    Iftikhar says ‘’ Cryer caused great offence within the Muslim community by …criticism of transcontinental marriages. The choice of wives ensures that the children will grow up confident and familiar in both cultures’’

    You truly are a blinkered apologist with an evident belief that muslims can do no wrong. You hide behind a multi cult veneer, espousing ‘diversity’ in order to push for special treatment and privileged status for your favoured group, and we are left in no doubt who that is.

    For the unfamiliar, from 1997 to 2010 Ann Cryer was a left-wing MP for the Yorkshire constituency of Keighley which has a large immigrant population. For those who wonder how she offended some within the muslim community, she had the courage to speak out in quite muted terms about the grooming of young white girls by ‘Asian’ men, warn about growing incidents of forced marriages and honour killings, and criticise the refusal of some immigrants to learn to speak English. She also spoke out about the cultural practice of cousin marriages which resulted in high levels of birth defects, a custom which placed a growing social and financial burden on society that would inevitably increase if the practice continued – which of course it did.

    This is the reality behind Iftikhars coy reference to ‘transcontinental marriages’ a process of never ending chain migration and the widespread practice of cousin marriages that results in a soaring rate of birth defect.

    Cryer adopted a restrained approach, to avoid inflaming ‘community relation – which generally means avoiding giving offence to muslims – often an impossible task, due to the cynical ploy of some who will claim offence at any hint of censure or criticism of any cultural practice they wish to maintain.

    It’s not the warnings of Ann Cryer that should offend anyone, it’s the practices themselves, but naturally, the diversity champions and multi cults with their mantra of – no culture is better than another and who are you to criticise – don’t quite see it that way. Iftikhar clearly doesn’t, he’s in favour of ‘transcontinental marriages’ as – ‘’ The choice of wives ensures that the children will grow up confident and familiar in both cultures’’

    He is seriously trying to make some ludicrous claim of a shortage of suitable candidates in the existing community, leaving no option than to return to one’s ancestral home and marry ones cousin. Not only does he ignore the negative aspects of such cultural practices, Iftikhar unwittingly provides clear warning of a future inhabited by individuals with conflicting loyalties, and a total lack of comprehension of the possible alienation and social strife these divided loyalties might bring further down the line.

    He also displays zero concern or comprehension for the alienating effect on the indigenous population who are faced with a never ending stream of immigrants who often have no wish to integrate, don’t speak the language, insist on practicing cultural norms that are often incompatible with our existing laws and cultural norms including gender and sexual equality, and who are increasingly determined to alter society to suit their own religious and cultural norms.

    But why should he care? Our views aren’t important, we are just ‘native brits’ and no one bothers to ask what we want. We aren’t supposed to notice or take offence when radical Islamists openly boast of appropriating our land and replacing our laws with sharia, and turning our country into an Islamic society through violence in the short term, or demographics in the long term.

    We aren’t supposed to notice or take offence when our soldiers are spat at and abused, when our young girls are sexually abused, when our churches are vandalised, when our streets are plastered with seditious warnings of the coming revolution when islam will dominate and rule over us. We are supposed to accept and pay for polygamous marriages, in the forlorn hope that such alien cultural norms will gradually fade away and anyway, it would be racist to draw attention to them. That’s what Iftikhar appears to believe, but then he would wouldn’t he, it suits his agenda.

    Iftikhar says…’’ France officially mourns Pope but bans Muslim scarf. It shows the hypocrisy of French Secularism’’ – Yet another failure of logic. Paying official respect towards a well-known individual is just that, a sign of respect, and has no bearing on a ban on religious symbols in French schools The Islamic scarf was not singled out, the ban applied to all religions. There was no discrimination and no hypocrisy involved, but I’m sure the supremacist victim mentality won’t accept that.

    As for wearing the veil and burkha in public spaces, there are various bans regarding any covering that obscures identity, though I’d be happy to see a specific ban in the West for the veil, in my opinion a demeaning garment which I find extremely offensive and insulting to my beliefs. I wonder if Iftikhar has any respect for my values and beliefs?

    Iftikhar says …. British Muslims are enriching for the whole society. From the Middle Ages, Islam has participated in the building of a European as well as British consciousness. The influence of Islamic civilisation on the literary and philosophical traditions is innumerable.

    Well, it was good for a laugh but there seems no limit to your ignorance and ability to delude yourself. Please enlighten us about the mythical contribution of Islam to British and European history ? You can spare us the history of the invasion and illegal occupation of Spain and the numerous failed attempts to invade and occupy other European lands, which should make your task fairly brief.

    Iftikhar says – ‘’The whole world belongs to Muslims……they are well versed in English….in Arabic …..They are also well versed in Urdu and other community languages ‘’ – If language was an indication of world dominance, then English, the universal language and those who speak it as a first or second language would win hands down.

    As for your remark about Urdu and ‘other community languages enabling muslims to keep in touch with their ‘cultural heritage’ – Do I really need to remind you that Islam colonised other cultures and largely obliterated them, replacing them with a monolithic Islamic culture? Any muslim from a non-Arabic background lost their original cultural heritage centuries ago.

    You are an hypocrite Iftikhar, you peddle the so called virtues of diversity and multiculturalism but accuse ‘native Brits’ of racism if they don’t share your views. Who are these ‘native Brits you insult? In your multi cult world shouldn’t you regard everyone born here as a ‘native Brit’ and no different to anyone else?

    Strange isn’t it how that doesn’t seem to apply when they happen to be muslim, when you change tack and suggest they are different after all, having an overriding loyalty and obligation to their religion, then the culture and language of their ancestral home, rather than a primary loyalty and obligation towards this country.

    Your contempt for this country and its ‘native’ people is evident in many of your grandiose statements, including this ‘’A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit’’

    With your evident contempt for this country and its people, and a vast choice of places to choose from in your ‘global village’, including many Islamic states, can you please explain Iftikhar why you and other islamists choose to immigrate to or remain in this land and other western countries?

    • Well said, Tarbock! And by the way, if you want to eradicate Islam in the UK, cut off the welfare. Ninety percent of middle eastern Muslims are on it. They believe that draining the west financially is an excellent method of warfare (jihad). Force them to leave the country for their refusal to do their fair share. Let the freeloaders self-deport. Any Muslim who wants to stay and support themselves financially while contributing to the British commonwealth would probably make a fine citizen.

  21. Eeyore

    This Iftikhar pest patrols sensible blogs opposed to Islamic fascism, and uses them to further his own agenda. His main propaganda is to convince the British government to set up state funded schools for Muslims alone, in their own language.

    I sincerely hope you do let him parasatize at your expense.

  22. Tarbock I can’t believe you read all of his ramblings and answered them, after the first couple of sentences I start getting sleepy and stop reading.

  23. P11 says: ‘’This Iftikhar pest patrols sensible blogs opposed to Islamic fascism, and uses them to further his own agenda’’

    Richard says: Tarbock I can’t believe you read all of his ramblings and answered them, after the first couple of sentences I start getting sleepy and stop reading.

    Richard I can understand your response, but when you consider P11’s point then Iftikhar deserves a reality check now and then. Anyway, I can always cut and paste my reply next time I come across his nonsense, and it really didn’t take much effort

  24. ’A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit’’ Crap. Most muslim want to be like Arabs. The love Arabs. Have an Arab style penis (circumcised), arab names, go to Arabia to kiss the black stone, read arab scriptures and generally get treated like shit by the Arabs when they work for them for slave money. Non arab muslims want to be like arabs who shit on them when they bring them over to cook and clean their homes and build their palaces and malls. Slave labour of pakistanis and bangladeshis is the most common thing in the world in the Gulf. Even now Quatar is being told to go easy on the slave labour as it looks bad as they prepare their stadiums for the games. There is an even video about an arab calling a bangladeshi a dog on youtube. I think it was originally posted here on vlad. Do some research on how arabs treat you pakis and bangladeshi moslems. You are just arab wannabe who get treated like shit by the arabs. They will not let you even become citizens. You can work like a slave for them for your whole life and then the person who sponsored you can have you kicked out at a moments notice. They will not even allow you to marry their women, and if you try some jihad there and they catch you then forget about the crying leftie fifth column people and human rights people coming to help you; instead the torture people will be on hand with some electrodes.

  25. Adam communist always love Muslims. The love hate. Hatred is what fuels them. They hate America. They hate Jew, as you so able demonstrate. They hate Isreal. Since you and Muslims share the same hatereds how come yo tell people not to hate. You are full of hatred and that is what drives you. Hatred towards the Jews spills out from your post. Is hatred ok for you but not for others? Hatred is fine for you and yet you lecture people about not hating. Hey what is that called hypocrite? It is called hypocrisy.

  26. “They will not even allow you to marry their women”

    In other words, the mawali system is still in full force, or do the Gulf Arabs do not see the Pakistanis as fellow Muslims? That would be false takfir, and hence, apostasy. Pakistan should use its nukes to ensure Pakistanis are well treated in the Gulf. If necessary, they should translate the Koran in Urdu, and change the verse that says the Koran is revealed in Arabic, into revealed in Urdu. Then Pakistan would have its own Islam. This is halal, as Allah gave a sign by giving Pakistan nukes. A cleric in Kohistan pointed out that Saudi-Arabia became apostate by educating its women, just as Iran. The nukes of Pakistan are proof that Allah values Pakistan higher than Iran and Saudi-Arabia.

    • Columnist, all your base are belong to us. Your efforts at reason make me tired. Maybe you could conquer all of us by boring us to death…zzzzzzz….

  27. You are all panicked by bizzare shit peoples.

    And your stereotyping says it all. Would hate to live in your world peoples, worrying about other religions and getting all agitated over it. Your lives will probably be shorter cause of it ya know – needless worry is unhealthy.

    Well, i hope things improve for you, and that you all start to change your line of thinking and realise, all the crap you are spouting is just western main stream media, and not really anything genuine – i.e. based on any problems that you have ever faced in your real lives – and i dont mean knowing some crazy crackpot religious person, be them muslim of not – all this nonesense that your spouting is absolutely baseless and is exactly what the likes of the sun have been spouting for years, well done all of you for beleiving it and allowing it to dictate your opinions.

    I guess you could call you all sheeple, as you are a flock of fear.

    Peace to you all – yeah call me a hippy for being nice 😉

    • You are a Muslim I know it..!! I know it because I have known the sound of a brainwashed fool who cries “allah hu akbar” called muslim……U typically sound like one….So open your ears and hear it ….who so ever u are….Islam is a parasite..it must be eradicated least the person(world) dies who carries this parasite…to be cured he will take medication some day…when he gets fed up of being ill all the time… such medication may be bitter and it may have side effects…but it will cure him of the fatal disease called ISLAM….Untill he takes those pills…enjoy..!!

    • Islam is not nice, hippy. Islam is at war with you regardless of whether you’re at war with it. It is an all-singing, all-dancing clusterfuck of a hate fest and it’s coming soon to a theatre near you.

  28. Adam says:
    “your stereotyping says it all.”

    Islam creates stereotypes more so then any other belief that has ever existed.

    The reason for that is simple their prophet Mohammad is considered perfect and everyone that follows Islam needs to emulate him in every way. That includes his marring little children, rapping, pillaging, enslaving and murdering ways of his life.

    This organization since its conception has killed over 250 million people this doesn’t count those that died in wars. It is enslaved 10’s of millions of people and these numbers are only going up. There are more chattel slavery today then any time in history.

    If these things doesn’t bother you then I am sorry. I feel bad for you.

    • Want to be like Momo? Enslave a nine year old, force her to screw you and then declare war on anyone with a difference of opinion. When you kill everyone else who isn’t you then you will have peace on earth.

  29. Adam says: “(They) made a lot of Money of time mainly through war.”

    Money isn’t made or created by war.

    This belief can only be derived by the idiocy of the “zero sum game”
    Were the caveman’s club is worth equal to everything civilization has created today.

    BTW – I don’t hate anyone

    • Who says money isn’t made through war? Ask a war profiteer – you can’t throw a stone and manage not to hit one. Ask George Soros. Ask Vladimir Putin. Ask the churches participating in the refugee resettlement a throughout the United States and Europe. Ask a weapons distributer, an international heroine dealer. Ask Isis. Ask Iran, when they pocket 150 billion dollars after making a stockpile of nukes, which they will share with Russia in exchange for ICBM’s. Boy, you ain’t been around if you think there’s no money in war!

  30. Well, actually, the booty of five centuries of Western colonialism and slavery is now used to buy Muslim oil, used to build mosques all over the world. So in a way Islam benefits from Western rapaciousness in the past, and possibly present.

    • Funny, funny, funny! Who started the slave trade in Africa? Why it was the Africans and the Muslims, of course! Who started the white slave trade that touched off the crusades and the inquisition? Why, the Muslims again! Who helped the middle eastern Muslims prospect, drill for and profit from the oil that lay dormant under their soils? Why that was the Americans and the Europeans. Who has the largest oil reserves in the world? America. I guess by your reasoning Allah loves us more.

  31. Adam is just a leftie conspiracy theory racist type. They love to stereotype people as sheeple (a phrase he got from David Icke, the Lizard Conspiracy guy) and believe the media (apart from conspiracy theory media!) is just full of rubbish. That means they need to do no research. Just watch youtube video or two telling them not be like the sheeple and to stop listening to anything other than the usual stuff about Jews controlling the world etc . They are easily led lazy idiots who are told not to do anything for themselves by way of thinking as sifting through all the masses of information out there would be a waste of time since it is all media rubbish. So they are pretty predictable. There lots of them out there and to meet one is to find someone who is so lazy that at least one good thing about their inability to think for themselves is that they are kinda in a nice little delusion that they know all there is to know with so little effort that they can now get on with other things. It does have that effect at least in the lame brain that I know of who is virtual clone of this Adam conspiracy theory guy minus the jew hatred. Since he know all things he actually is a good father and husband. He has figured it all out so there is no need to devote any more time to any real research. It is fantastic effect. I like conspiracy theory for the good effect is has had in his case with regards to family life improvement. Believe he is a hard core conspiracy theory guy. It is virtually his religion. He is always trying to get me to believe his latest theory obtained from watching some youtube talking head.

  32. If anyone is interested in what a socialists is I wouldn’t mind explaining it.
    It has taken me a very long time to figure this out.

    But in general it is genetic switch we all have it is not as simple as just a difference of opinion. It is based on abundance of food explained by the r /K selection theory.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_theory

    A real socialists you can not have a discussion with as most of us may already know. They get angry and highly defensive as their way of life is being threaded by your opinion. You as a conservative are a *genetic threat* to their way of life.

  33. Evil islam created by evil arabs, the world would be much better of without it. Even communism is better than this deceptive arab imperialism named islam. a leftover from the dark ages is islam.

  34. Islam is an extremely controlling faith, that comes from an extremely subtlely and blatantly abusive culture that only encouraged people to do bad things.

  35. Britain have ruled and continued to rule themselves very well, since time immemorial without the interference of islam. There is NO need for any socalled advice from islam or for islam to introduce or force their eastern/black abusive culture or their backward islamic culture or their filth or their inferior manipulative islamic teaching to Britain.

  36. Mohammad is a false prophet. He is the anti Christ. The religion is symbolized with weapons, the only large scale cult/religion which promotes violence and anti Christian views. Remember “god” created man in his own likeless; a white can change to any color by over exposure to the sun, no non-white can turn white.

    • The Bible says in John 10:10
      “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have {it} abundantly. … Islam gives death abundantly But
      Jesus gives life abundantly
      Islam and Muslim are leading people to hell
      God through Jesus is leading people to heaven
      Mohamed is not a Savior…. Jesus is !!!
      May the people of the world realize that
      ISIS is satan , ISIS is Islam and Muslim… Now we can see what
      satan looks like ….. But Jesus Saves !!!

  37. Islam is a dinosaur in the age of mammals. Islam is a malignant tumor which survives by preaching difference and hatred of non Muslims. This cancer seeks to convert non Muslims or eradicate them through violent murder. Pedophilia is accepted and widely practiced in Islamic states.

  38. The religion of islam was spread with blood and war. (see muslim conquest)

    but lets not forget the innocent blood that was spilled by the christians and the jews (of course that was all long ago)

    in short everyone believing in ONE god is usually an intolerant fuck. (plus one god doesnt even make remotely sense whatsoever – see lifeforms in general)

  39. Islam was invented to control low level minds and conquer lands. Its like a drug to brain, more fuel is added by imams in mosques where no other religion are allowed. Islam should be banned!

  40. Mr. Munster said:

    “BTW, many of the greatest scientists in the world that have cured diseases and advanced technology are Atheists. So, I don’t think you can categorically state that religious people do better in life. I don’t think the people in Jonestown did better the branch Davidians did not do better…. the list goes on and on. I will choose reason, logic and freewill any day over superstition and fiction.”

    Here is where it gets weird. Atheism and reason itself in modern civilization itself is a function of Christianity. Jesus said, “render unto Caesar what is Caesars and render unto God what is God’s.” That was the foundation of a secular society. No other society had that at the time. Nearly all nations, including Buddhist nations were Theocracies.

    The Catholic Church, in opposition to the popular view, actually financed science and research and many great leaps forward were done by monks. Not the least of which was genetics by Gregor Mendel, the result of which fed hundreds of millions.

    Also read Thomas Aquinas who made the assertion that as God created the world, a scientific study of the world, creation etc. actually was a form of devotion, and thusly allowed a renewed rational study possible, as well as reason itself. Something which Islam had crushed when it overran Constantinople.

    None of this is claiming you are wrong, only that its incomplete.

    • Reason and logic were around long before Christianity. The pyramids could not be built without logic. The ancient Greeks had reason, logic, set up the basis for democracy and freewill long before Jesus.

      I think believing something just because tradition says it is so is delusional. Please, don’t get me wrong, I wish I could believe in God. Also, I am not saying there is no God. Your probably right that religion might make life easier. But, that does not make it right or true.
      Ultimately, my point is that no one can say for certain that God exists. If they do, they are either deluded or they are lying.
      I prefer to think of God like Schrödinger’s cat. It is in a state of limbo. God both exists and does not exist, until we open the box, we cannot know for certain.
      I mean no disrespect to your beliefs.
      Great blog btw. Thanks.

      • HM:

        You are quite correct. Reason is the invention of the Greeks and logic a subset or vice versa. No argument at all. But it was Christianity that created an environment for the return of reason after it had been wiped out by the fall of civilization and the sacking of Constantinople by the Muslims etc. The Ancient Egyptians, as you point out, clearly had massive skills and frankly so did the Hindus and Buddhists who’s own ‘religion’ was not a religion as we know it but more a cognitive tool on par with Greek and Roman reason.

        I never said what religions believe in is true. I won’t argue the point either way till there is a way to test it. I am only arguing that religion as an entity separate from what it purports to believe has an effect and sometimes that effect is good.

        And I am not saying it makes life easier. I am saying it can make it better and even possible in as much as life can seem impossible, marriage, kids and the trials that come with it especially as governments have made it their business to regulate every aspect of your private family life now to the point where many young people don’t even think its worth pursuing a family and frankly they are right. But I think those who have the community that Christian or Jewish etc. religions can give can help people overcome hurdles that can seem insurmountable.

        This is a separate thing from what those religions claim for the supernatural in nearly all ways. Now some people who agree with me think a secular church can ‘fill that void’. Well that was tried with the Unitarian Church which is frankly, awful. It has no principles. It does not demand character of its adherents. It has no beliefs and answers to no moral code and does not feel that there is anything above it. So its basically just The Frankfurt School with a cross on top.

        Again today I was listening to Carrie Underwood’s amazing song, ‘Something in the Water’. Clearly about Baptism. What a stunning inspired song. I have no clue if baptism is a good thing or not. But I do know that Christianity has been the inspiration for much of the worlds most beautiful art. I think that matters.

        Searching for perfection tends to lead people to tear down things that are just, ‘really really good’. Maybe its time to be more careful about that is all I am suggesting.

        Thanks for reading this site Herman. May I call you Herman? I have enjoyed this discussion.

        • Eeyor: ” I have no clue if baptism is a good thing or not. ”

          This symbolism perfected by John the Baptist had worked wonders on that distaught Jesus, and gave him the courage, with the suggestion that the ‘guilt of his sins’ were washed away, to go and face his demons that held him back for so long. And this pre-Christian baptism of forgiveness as a healing method for the sick works very well today, to get people to be released from their emotional burdens, the therapists can say their patients are forgiven and help them confront and forgive the intimidators that controlled them.

          It’s just that the crooked priests have splashed a bit of water and made it a membership-only into their coven by putting on their jersey of the New Self-righteous; and not the reclaiming of their old self that had taken too many wrong turns.
          The Muslims only need to repent and forgive Mohammad, and what an army of Jesuses would be revealed.

          It is not baptism therefore that has any effect whatsoever, but in astute hands has the hypnotic suggestion of it being able to confer a separation from action and their identity, to enable the locked-in sufferer to seek the truth of their condition. To admit to what you did, and what by self-justification you became. This is why we should call no one “fool” as it is psychologically damaging as combining the deed with the person. Call no man, woman or child Muhammadan, and they will not be able to play up to it.

          “I tell you that her many sins are forgiven, so she showed great love. But the person who is forgiven only a little will love only a little.”
          https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+7%3A47-50&version=NCV

        • Better is the enemy of good. The center hole of a compact disc is not exactly 15 millimeters across because it cannot be made. It can be off by a whole bunch of microns and still work. The 7th century Islam is like saying that I will only listen to music CDs that have an exactly 14.9997 millimeter center hole because that’s the right size and all others are false. Grow up. Discover some new music.

  41. Regardless of what good we try to say about Islam, the facts speak for themselves. It is a primitive, macabre, retrogressive, medieval collection of selfish stupid murderers. It is has no value or blessing to mankind whatsoever.

    “Though all Muslims are not terrorists, yet why are ALL terrorists Muslims or claim allegiance to Islam?”

    Thank You.

    • Its a mechanical thing of reason. I I was driving my car on a long trip and the engine suddenly stopped working for no reason, I’d try to scientifically find out what went wrong. Maybe the engine seized up and needed an oil change, maybe I had a flat tire….So I go outside and make MEASUREMENTS. I see there is no flat tire….I check the dipstick, and there is oil. Then I remembered these magical roofed structures that if I went to it and did the ritual there with liquids, the car would let me drive longer. There was this law of conservation of energy text, and finally It hit me…the car could not keep driving forever because it used energy, and there was something about the ritual going to this temple of liquid that would make the car to have more energy. Yep, the car was out of gasoline. Except you don’t know what gasoline is, or who put that temple there.

      If there was a cave where whoever walked into it came out of it badly burned, he glowed in the dark and would die in a year today you’d say that there was radioactive material in there. But what if you didn’t know what radiation was, and your tribe told of a story of this cave through oral tradition. The religion saved your life, though you couldn’t figure out why. You just believed not to anger the cave god…

      Religion is actually evolutionarily the correct thing. That time in the cave when you heard this spirit that made roaring sounds caused you to be more scared and took a vow of silence actually saved your life. Later you learn that a lion walked past your cave.

  42. No one have the right to speak about anybody’s religion..
    It’s not about Islam only, dude we are muslins we believe in one ALLAH and on his messengers.. We have got IMAN.. We have got QURAN MAJEED .. we have got ISLAM ..Islam is about love and peace.. You should study Islam first before saying any wrong word about it. And Muslims aren’t terrorist.. No religion teaches terrorism.. Stop judging..
    Go and read something about Islam, then say anything about it..
    I don’t know how many of you are familiar with the name ‘firaun’. He’s the one whobeats people and children’s and ladies.. And calls himself god (Nauzobillah)
    Allah punished him and he’s kept in museum in Misr as a mummy .. He seems to be a real man who’s sleeping ..
    Fear your lord .
    We fear ALLAH.
    And everyone should fear their respective lords otherwise the end of this world will b worse.. And stop judging Islam. Islam isn’t meant to b judged by you and me. If you believe it then good for you and if you disbelieve it then keep calm and rest your mind .
    Islam is all about love and peace!?

    • 1. You could not have the following ore backwards:

      “No one have the right to speak about anybody’s religion..”

      In fact, I have an obligation to speak about any and all religions that have any impact on my life whatsoever. I have a moral and civic obligation to learn about and criticize any religion that would change one iota of how my culture works and what my rights and freedoms and choices are. However what is also fact, is that you have no right whatsoever to tell me what I can and cannot speak about. Are we clear on that? Because what you said is probably the biggest inversion of truth I may have ever seen.

      2. Your second point, if that it can be called, can be answered thusly:

      Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’

      Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

      So I think that should stand as a decent refutation of the load of nonsense you asserted like throwing spaghetti on a wall and hoping some of it sticks.

      3. Islam, like every other doctrine and dogma is 100% to be judged by people as people made it up and it affects only people. To invent some barbaric nonsense seemingly designed for one thing and one thing only, and that was to get the pirate in chief, mohamed, money, power and sexual access and then say mankind has no right to judge it, especially the segment of mankind who is most unfortunate in its effect, is a kind of cruelty all on its own beyond that of the mere torture of logic as any unfounded assertion is when it is backed not with facts but with threats whether they be of a supernatural nature as are yours, or veiled threats of earthly violence by the followers of the pirate, rapist, mass murderer, and criminal of acts so heinous names have not even been invented for them yet like the mass capture of slaves of children of unbelievers to make into soldiers to kill their own former families. There is no name for that except:

      Muslims.

          • I saw that clip about 12 years ago. It actually goes on longer than that with one of the women trying to feed the fork under the veil only to have the whole mess fall into her lap. The first time I saw it I thought it was funny. I don’t anymore.

            • I actually didn’t necessarily mean it to be funny, I just wanted to demonstrate the “fringe benefits” of Islam to umama.
              See the video I posted in response to yucki above (or below?)

          • I dont remember, but I know there are several clips like that – I just clicked the first one.

            Here is one that (I think) is serious – I find it nearly poignant firstly because the girl sounds soooo young and then these restrictions are repulsive to any human being with a gram of self-respect:

            • Poor little thing.
              I’m not sure if I want to send this one to the kids in Israel. Maybe I’ll wait for the right moment.

              They went crazy laughing at the Kurd Music Combo, fake beards and all, singing:
              “Dah-esh, Dah-esh/ So stupid they milk a goat/ Even if it’s male”.

              That really broke the ice. Of course anything “Kurd” is celebrated these days.

          • I am getting a bit confused in this thread. I can’t find my own postings (eg the voting clip) and my answers seem to be all over the place (story of my life ;))

            • You’re here too, Rita!
              Wending my way through this thread, some remarkable posts. Eeyore’s here among the myriad voices, his course correction makes it work. (And it’s reassuring.)

              Though none of these posts is cause for alarm. At worst, one’s boring, but that tends to bring in some excellent responses.

    • . “We have got IMAN.. .. we have got ISLAM ..Islam is about love and peace..”

      So, you have got IMAN and AYATOLLA, and “Islam is about LOVE”? this kind of “love”?

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0ikAZWIYAMRQUy.jpg:large

      As to “Islam a ‘religion’ of PEACE” – <—this is misspelled. Correctly spelled it reads: "Islam, a religion of pieces, one piece of you here…another piece of you over there…".

      Salem Aleikum !

    • If islam is so peaceful why are muslims slaughtering so many people all over the world in the name of allah? Why do the imams endorse the death penalty on those who leave islam? Why do you persecute Christians in majority muslim countries? Why do you abuse and murder dogs? Why do you mutilate female genitalia? Why are muslims burning France and Sweden to the ground? Public beatings, beheadings, severing limbs and stoning are hardly peaceful. Islam is a brutal, barbaric death cult.

    • Umama Siddiqi,

      You will find many people here who not only read ‘about’ Islam, but read Islam itself, Islam’s core texts, the Koran and the canonical hadith collections, and the scholarly commentaries and Islamic law, and who would be pleased to talk with you about Islam on the basis of those texts. Do you have first-hand familiarity with any of these texts yourself, or do you only know what your imam told you about the Koran?

        • Okay, simple question. Who said this?

          ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’

          • No one said so.
            See, Islam is about love and peace, Islam don’t allow murders and surely there’s no place of murderers in Islam as well.. The first thing Muslims use to say when they meet is ASSALAMUALIKUM that means ‘May peace be upon you’..
            And murderers are to b punished by the Almighty because you can’t kill people… In every religion there are good people and bad as well, I’m not perfect either, but being a Muslim I found it as a duty to save my Islam from the bad comments. I can’t stop people, I agree but at least I’m trying.
            The wrongdoers will get their punishment on the day of judgment, and I may b one of them cux as I said I’m not perfect either. But to say Islam is bad, Islam is cancer, Islam is fake, isn’t good , man.
            Let’s not blame anyone na..
            Y are we blaming ??
            You tell me.. What religion do you follow? Is it perfect? There aren’t bad people in your religion?
            Blame people who do wrong, not the religion , not the God. Maybe it’s not valuable to you but for us it’s more than anything and everything.
            Grow up dude, stop blaming.

            • Wrong. As we learn in the hadiths collected by Sahih Bukhari, Mohammed said it.

              Why is death the punishment for apostasy?

              (1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever changes his religion, kill him.” (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

              http://islamqa.info/en/811

              Would you like to try again? Who said the following?

              ‘It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact) that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community.’

    • ” We have got IMAN.. We have got QURAN MAJEED .. we have got ISLAM”

      To be imprisoned in the mind you need exactly these three things. Umama, is offering his prison of the priest as his father, his book as his mother-guide and Islam as his race. In the Name of The Father, Holy Spirit and Son. It is magical wherever he looks through his virtual-reality headset.

      It is what he gave his soul up for, and is so fragile that reality will disturb that he will fight real fathers, real mothers and books of science.

      He claims pride in being a slave. An invert like so many pretenders invited at the top table of socialist dreamers until the night of the long knives.

    • You say “No one have the right to speak about anybody’s religion…”

      If that’s the case, then Islam is the main offender. Islam says quite a lot about Christianity, much of it false and insulting (see for example Surat al-Bayyinah 98:6). How many times a day do Mohammedans recite Surat Al-Fatihah, in which the Jews are described as those who have earned Mr. Allah’s anger and Christians as those who have gone astray (Surat Al-Fatihah 1:7).

      Do not lecture anyone here about insult and offense. Insult and offense are among the core teachings of your wretched religion.

      IHS!

      • Chatillion:

        Further, if one were to remove all the offensive material from the koran, the encouragement to war, the insults to other people and thought systems I doubt there would be enough left to toast a marshmallow on.

        The good thing is there would be no need to at that point.

        • Eyore-
          Can you tell from the email address where Umama is posting from? That would be interesting…

          To say that he was taught Islam from his family is saying a lot. Has he ever read the “Koran”, to use Don C’s spelling? Or, are they “cafeteria Muslims” that pass down only the most benign tenets of the Muslim faith and then feign outrage when people start quoting scripture and verse of their actual holy books and supplementary guides.

          If so, that’s OK with me as you most probably won’t support the violence associated with the religion overtly. But, if you ever give the Dawa or even try to deny the inherent violence and subjugation that is true Islam you are part of the problem.

          But, you came to the wrong place to lecture people that have spent one hell of a lot of time educating ourselves on what this misogynist and blood thirsty political ideology is really all about.

          “And our mothers taught us about islam and fathers and relatives as well not Imams!”

          And have you and your family ever sat down and actually READ the “Koran”, how about the Hadiths or even “The Reliance of the Traveler?” You seem to be a native English speaker. I would suggest to you that your family read Reliance of the Traveler and discuss.

            • That or it’s some idiot trolling us all with a joke name which is supposed to sound sorta like,

              ‘Yo Mama suck dicky’ or ‘Yo Mama is a dicki’ sort of jibe. Cause the person in that linked in profile has a profession requiring too much brains for even an affirmative action hire of someone as incapable of reason as this Umama is.

              • Umama,

                When a male Muslim speaks it is like listening to a female, and so it is very hard to tell you apart.
                We are dealing with a queen bee, so bady maligned as a Black Widow.

                Welcome. It is good to meet someone who can turn a trick for Muhammad like one of his houris.

                This is because terrorized Muhammadanized males are so busy watching you Musselmas doing something sexually and independently improper, that they are hooked on a form of mommy-porn, the 50 shades of grey of their minds’ imaginings to be unable to know what normal-sex is between a well-adjusted woman and equally-sane man.

                Under the burkha of incognition you are watching the unsatiated desires of these young bucks to see their tight shape of form without having to betray yourself, it must be like a salacious peep-show whenever you go out, shaperoned by a family member nervous at all times. These macho-insecure jailors who are locked in their mind-prisons, while you are too only in your body-bags – but not your heads, so whilst trained to massage and feed your master’s little-hitler ego you can dream in the world of lust and make believe. The envy and at the same time disgust of Western women must palpably rage in your heart.

                Could you express this any differently between the Islamic war of the genders?

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          • Babs,

            I decided to go with the ‘k’ spelling after someone suggested he felt English ‘q’ had suffered enough abuse. Then I noticed it riles hothead know-nothings like Suq Madiq above, and realized that some Muslims had fetishized the ‘q’ spelling much the same way they make a fetish object of the koran itself – this despite a koran in English not even being a proper koran (let alone the mere English word).

            The ‘k’ spelling also has the advantage of being less confusing for children, when you’re teaching them about the depravity of Muhammad and the evils of Islam.

            • Don, you convinced me (especially the Q abuse). “Koran” it is!

              Dr. Warner once suggested we call ourselves “kafir” with pride. He chooses to spell it that way. That’s how I became:
              ~~ YankeeKafir ~~

            • If you have read the Koran, then you will be familiar with these well-known verses:

              So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

              Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

              Whose commentary on 9:5 and 9:29 do you regard as authoritative? Are you familiar with Tafsir Ibn Kathir?