Comparing approaches to the issue of Islamic attacks in our midst.

Two self declared Muslims, Tarek Fatah and Raheel Reza were both interviewed today by the Sun Chain about the attack in Montreal and the three girls who were caught in Turkey trying to join the Islamic State and had left Toronto to do so.

There is a critical difference in the approach between these two people.

Lets look at Tarek’s first:

On the attack in Montreal:

If there was any doubt about Couture-Rouleau’s motives, it ended when Quebec’s TVA Nouvelles reported Couture-Rouleau called a 911 dispatcher and explained he was “acting in the name of Allah.”

On the three girls from Toronto:

Twenty years ago, would the RCMP have released teenage IRA recruits back into the care of their parents?

We now have three teenage girls who apparently believe in the ISIS doctrine of armed jihad and who flew out of the country to join it, walking freely about our city, while the rest of us have no information as to who they are or what to look out for.

As someone who has received death threats from Islamists as late as two weeks ago, and who in 2011 received a threat from a teenage Somali girl when I was hospitalized, perhaps I am a bit paranoid.

Read the whole article for context. But Tarek has it right. The frame of reference is only Canadian and Canadian law. There is no attempt to discuss the motives or actions or justifications from any other point of view. Tarek’s reasoning in these, as in most things, mirrors my own.

Then we have Raheel Reza on wearing the veil during citizenship oath:

Her reasoning seems to be about what Islam and koran allows or demands. I find this to be extremely problematic. It doesn’t matter if her interpretation agrees with Canadian values or laws. It only matters what Canadian values or laws are. What if the Koran did demand that women wear the veil whenever they are in infidel lands? Would she be backing that view then? We must never consider what foreign value sets demand when within Canada and I find it a kind of anesthesia when seemingly liberal muslims try and agree with us while sneaking in the idea that the koran or Islamic law should be viewed as an authority and something which should be considered.

 

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15 Replies to “Comparing approaches to the issue of Islamic attacks in our midst.”

  1. ….. and let’s not forget that it has nothing to do with islam…

    Muslim community fears backlash over Couture-Rouleau’s vicious acts

    News of the sad events in St. Jean sur Richelieu has rocked the Muslim community in Montreal.

    Concerned there might be a backlash against their community, many hope to stress that Martin Couture-Rouleau’s murderous act of mowing down a member of the Armed Forces should not be connected to his recent conversion to islam.

    […]Connecting terrorist groups such as ISIS to Islam is dangerous and could hurt the peaceful Muslim communities living here and abroad, said Samer Majzoub, president of the Canadian Muslim Forum.

    […]“They are saying he self-converted to Islam. This is another aspect of this. Islam cannot be taken from online. It has to be taken from sources. Second, they are saying he has no direct contact with the community,” said Majzoub. “

    […]“We fear the backlash. Don’t forget this group (ISIS) has damaged Muslims more than any other group in the world,” he said.

    video on the page

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/muslim-community-fears-backlash-over-couture-rouleau-s-vicious-acts-1.2064800#

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/muslim-community-fears-backlash-over-couture-rouleau-s-vicious-acts-1.2064800#

  2. USA – Seven arrested in raid on Black Muslim Temple in Oakland

    OAKLAND — In sweeping charges alleging public contract fraud, forged real estate deals and identity theft stretching from Alameda to Orange counties, authorities on Tuesday arrested a Black Muslim minister, his mother and five others, saying they ran a wide-ranging scam through a private security firm that falsely claimed its guards were retired Navy SEALs and its leader a former FBI agent.

    […]The charges, detailed in a 118-page affidavit, allege the firm faked insurance and state license documents and made fanciful claims of expertise it did not possess.

    […]the charges involved “not only large-scale bid fraud victimizing local communities and cities and counties around the state, but also real estate fraud, insurance fraud, bankruptcy fraud, income tax evasion and the exploitation of workers by evading workers’ compensation insurance and payroll taxes.”

    http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_26769613/authorities-raiding-black-muslim-temple-oakland

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    7 linked to Black Muslim Bakery charged in security scheme

    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/7-linked-to-Black-Muslim-Bakery-charged-in-5837952.php

  3. How would you call this? A McCain job?

    Islamic State: US probes ‘stray Syria air drop’ in IS video (BBC, video, Oct 21, 2014)
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29715044

    “The US defence department has said it is examining an Islamic State video appearing to show militants in control of US weapons intended for Syrian Kurdish fighters.

    Some 27 bundles containing small arms, ammunition and other weaponry were dropped on Monday for militias defending the town of Kobane from IS.

    A Pentagon spokesman said the vast majority ended up in the right hands.

    Kurdish forces control most of the town but IS remains a threat, he said….”

  4. Three American Girls En Route to Syria Planned to Join Militant Groups, Official Says (abcnews, Oct 21, 2014)
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/american-girls-en-route-syria-tracked-fbi/story?id=26353762

    “The FBI tracked down three American teenage girls in Germany while they were en route to Syria to join militant groups, a law enforcement official told ABC News today.

    The girls, who are from the Denver area, were trying “to fulfill what they believe is some vision that has been put out on a slick media campaign” by radical groups in Syria, including ISIS, the official said.

    The girls have not been identified, but law enforcement officials said two are sisters — 15 and 17 years old — and one is 16 years old. The two sisters are from Somalia and the 16-year-old is from Sudan, according to a federal law enforcement source briefed on the case.

    This is part of a worrisome trend of “disaffected youth” who are being radicalized, the official said, pointing to the wider phenomenon of foreign fighters converging on the conflict in the region….”

  5. They’re both weasels, in my opinion. This from a few days ago is typical:

    Ezra: (regarding texts having violent expression) It is the black letter law of the Koran that they’re expressing as violently as possible.

    Tarek: (having considered carefully) Much of this is not the black letter of the Koran, it is the exact words contained in the quotations of prophet mohammed written, attributed to him 200 years after…

    Strictly speaking, Tarek is not lying. ‘Much of this’ – true, it is much of it, and yes, most or all of the hadiths were probably made up. But it’s weasely. Muslims need not look beyond the Koran to find justification for violence. Tarek knows that as well as any of us. From 3:37 –