Western Complicity in the Rape of Boys in the Islamic World.

Recently and with much regret, the Australian Islamist Monitor ceased publishing.

The excellent writers at the Islam Monitor have not all hung up their keyboards, however, and Circe has written an incisive report on the rarely discussed position of boys in islamic societies.

Western complicity in the Rape of boys in the Islamic world.

Do we have any standards anymore? Do we stand for anything at all? What happened to the rights of the child or are they also suspended when Islam is involved? After all we say nothing about Islam’s legalised child marriage and sex with little girls or its violence to women and children and we never mention the rapes, murder, persecution etc against non-Muslims? Western soldiers fighting in Afghanistan look the other way as young boys are sodomised by Muslim soldiers, interpreters and war lords and this is passed off as a ‘cultural difference.’ Such violence against boys is certainly not limited to Afghanistan but seems spread across the Islamic world and has reared its ugly head in Australian detention centres.

Islam may kill ‘homosexuals’ but homosexuality is regarded as an affectionate/loving relationship between men while the rapes or other abuse of males for means of subjugation or humiliation are not a problem. Islam’s text that is filled with loathing for women and the segregation of males and females creates the distorted social, emotional and psychological environment that breeds this unacceptable abuse of young boys or weaker males. Note: this is not a criticism of homosexuality as practiced by consenting adults in an open society where men and women are equals and can mix freely for this is not what is going on in the main in the Islamic world.

We have known about the rape of boys in Afghanistan (north, south, east) for a long time – “Afghanistan must do more to end an age-old practice of young boys being kept as sex slaves by wealthy and powerful patrons,” claimed the U.N. special representative for children and armed conflict, Radhika Coomaraswamy. She went on to note that the practice, called “bacha bazi” — literally “boy play” – is the secret everyone knows with comments that it’s been around for 1000 years so why do we want to raise it now….. (My pet Jawa 2008)

Indeed throughout the Arab/Islamic world sex with boys has been common. Many great Arabic poets glorified homosexuality with boys eg Abu Nuwas ‘O the joy of sodomy! So now be sodomites you Arabs…Turn not away from it-therein is wondrous pleasure. Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple and ride him as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate .-A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt not like your whore who has to go veiled…..Make for smooth faced boys and do your very best to mount them, for women are the mounts of devils! (Perfumed Garden and Thousand and one nights Abu Nuwas- cited in Circe 2007 Islam’s lust and loathing of homosexuality )

And let’s not forget those immortal youths there to serve the Muslim male in paradise –

***Koran sura 56.17-18 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine ……..

***Koran sura 52.24 And there shall wait on them (the Muslim faithful males) young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.

***Koran sura 76.19 They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders.

If they aren’t for sex why are they so erotically described?

Dancing Boys and the sexual abuse of children:
The “bacha bereesh,” or boys without beards, may dress up as girls and dance for male patrons at parties in northern Afghanistan.
“Every boy tries to be the first. They are dressed in women’s clothes, have bells on their feet and have artificial breasts,” said Mohammad Yawar, a former mujahideen fighter against the Taliban and resident of the northern town of Pul-e Khumri. (Reuters 2008)
“Everyone tries to have the best, most handsome and good-looking boy,” said a former mujahideen commander, who
declined to be named. (Reuters 2008)

The article describes men who prefer boys to their wives and the rape of young boys.

Ahmad Jawad, aged 17, has been with a wealthy landowner for the past two years. “I am used to it. I love my lord. I love to dance and act like a woman and play with my owner,” he said. Asked what he would do when he got older, he said: “Once I grow up, I will be an owner and I will have my own boys.” (Reuters 2008)

While some clerics may demand stoning for sodomy, the abuse of boys continues. Islamic text demands death so the victims of such acts dare not tell –
*** Abu Dawud Book 38, Number 4447: Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

***Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4448: Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.

Sharia Law p 17.3 p 665 The Prophet (allah bless him and give him peace) said — (1) “Kill the one who sodomises and the one who lets it be done to him” … and this is reiterated in Laws o12.0-12.6 (fornication, sodomy) while Law o24.9 p 638 (Testimony) requires 4 male witnesses prepared to testify to the act – (Reliance of the Traveller).
(note other punishments recorded in text refer to those involved being burnt, thrown from a high place or having a wall pushed onto them to crush them. Circe 2007)

We can easily see that the sexual abuse of young boys in private or in a group would go unpunished.
The victim of such abuse (like raped females) would be subjugated, shamed and humiliated and would not mention the abuse yet at the same time the practice is widespread and culturally acceptable. Do victims recognize that they are being abused as indeed the violence done to their body and psychological health is substantial abuse?

But of great concern is the fact that western groups turn a blind eye to what is clearly the sexual abuse of children and young teenagers by Islamic men.

Some Canadian officers serving in Afghanistan told subordinates to look the other way when Afghan soldiers and local interpreters sodomized young boys, says one of Canada’s leading human-rights lawyers. (Westhead [B] 2008)

Former Canadian soldier Tyrel Braaten said that during his tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2006, he witnessed Afghan interpreters bringing young boys inside buildings at Forward Operating Base Wilson, a remote Canadian base outside Kandahar. The boys were then sodomized by the interpreters and Afghan soldiers, Braaten said. (Westhead [B] 2008)

“The boy was no more than 12. He wore a wig, lipstick and perfume and was dressed in a flowing robe when an Afghan interpreter escorted him to the entrance of the Canadian base in remote Afghanistan.
The bombardier was bewildered. He asked another interpreter standing next to him who the boy was. The interpreter shrugged that the boy was one of “the bitches.”
“I said, `What do you mean?’ and he made the motion with his hips, like you know,” said Braaten, 24. “I remember saying, `Are we on Mars? Does this s— go on all the time?’”……
Braaten said he heard the boy’s cries from the building…..(Westhead [A] 2008)

Such events occurred regularly and soldiers struggled to deal with it.

Asked why soldiers would have permitted interpreters to bring boys within the FOB’s perimeter, one soldier who served at Wilson in 2006 said, “When there are hostiles all around you, the last thing you want to do is pick a fight with an interpreter you really don’t know at all who holds your life in his hands.” (Westhead [A] 2008)

Other Canadian soldiers have complained to chaplains and military medical personnel that officers told them not to get involved because the sodomy was tantamount to “cultural differences.” (Westhead [A, B] 2008)

Theoretically Canada could be charged with ‘crimes against humanity’ for allowing such acts to take place on their bases even though the abuse was perpetrated by Afghani Muslims!! Is the US, Britain, or even Australia also ‘looking the other way?’

“It’s common knowledge that young boys are used in this way in Afghanistan,” said Brad Adams, executive director of the Asia division of Human Rights Watch. “It’s the great dichotomy of Afghanistan. Homosexuality is treated as a cardinal sin, but it’s still common for men to have sex with boys.” (Westhead [B] 2008)

“I think (Western soldiers) look the other way about a number of things, like opium production and warlordism. They are looking the other way on almost everything.” (Westhead [B] 2008)

It’s the same in the south today–2011
British forces were advised by a military study that paedophilia is widespread and culturally accepted in southern Afghanistan. Older, powerful men boosted their social status by keeping boys as sexual playthings and the practice was celebrated in song and dance, a military study claimed. (Foxnews 2010, Farmer 2011)

“boys are appreciated for physical beauty and apprenticed to older men for their sexual initiation” … (Farmer 2011)

British troops have also talked of their disgust at police or militias keeping young boys as hangers on. (Farmer 2011).

Pre-pubescent boys are widely admired and boy play (‘bache bazi’) is known throughout Afghanistan. A study by the US military found Pashtun men have sex with men and boys, admire males and shun women socially and sexually but reject the homosexual label!

In one instance, a group of local male interpreters had contracted gonorrhea anally but refused to believe they could have contracted it sexually — “because they were not homosexuals.” (they claim they got it by mixing green and black tea!! — and were reinfected as they ignored the medics warning!)

According to the report, Pashtun men interpret the Islamic prohibition on homosexuality to mean they cannot “love” another man — but that doesn’t mean they can’t use men for “sexual gratification.” (Foxnews 2010)

When explaining to a local man how to impregnate his wife, the loathing for women was obvious –
“When it was explained to him what was necessary, he reacted with disgust and asked, ‘How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean, when one could be with a man, who is clean? Surely this must be wrong.’” (Foxnews 2010)

One of the country’s favourite sayings, the report said, is “women are for children, boys are for pleasure.” (Foxnews 2010)

Clearly western troops in Afghanistan cannot change this long practice of the abuse of boys BUT such abuse should never be allowed on any military base under western control. It should also be made plain that we regard the sexual use of children as unacceptable and criminal and such abuse MUST be reported to the UN, human rights groups or any group in the country involved with the human rights of children –though one doesn’t hold out much hope of the OIC controlled UN actually doing anything!
Obviously far more security is needed on bases to prevent children or young teenagers being brought into the base or we are indeed complicit in this vile rape of children.

Such abuse is not limited to Afghanistan but is widespread across the Islamic world.
Pakistan:
At least 95 percent of truck drivers in Pakistan consider indulging in sexual activities during their rest time as their main entertainment.
Chairman of the working group examining the abuse of children, Dr Muhammad Tufail , said though having such a relationship with women is also very much prevalent at such spots, drivers prefer young boys, as they are easily available and are cheaper as compared to women.
The main reasons quoted for the participation of the boys were poverty (43 per cent), harsh school environment (20 per cent), physical abuse at home (10 per cent) and the desire to learn a marketable skill (22 per cent).

In its recommendations, the study urged the government to officially acknowledge the sexual exploitation of boys, so that policies, reforms and legal provisions could be formulated to protect boys from this menace. (ANI)(Indiavision 2010)

Sexual abuse of boys is endemic in madrasses: On his hospital bed last week, 16-year-old Abid Tanoli sat listless and alone, half of his body covered by burns that all but destroyed both his eyes and left his face horribly disfigured….

The boy refused to have sex with a cleric, his teacher at a religious school or madrassa in Pakistan.

Abid, who was 14 at the time, told neither parents nor friends what had happened because, he said, he was ashamed. A few days later, as he played with his brothers and sister at home, he said that his religious teacher – accompanied by three associates – broke into the house, bolted the door and threw acid over him, screaming: “This should be a lesson for your life.”

Religious authorities pressed the hospital to discharge Abid and offered his parents money to withdraw the charges. His father moved to a secret location for his safety.

It is the first such case to be brought against a Muslim cleric and threatens to expose a scandal of sex abuse within Pakistan’s secretive Islamic schools. (Ansari 2004)

Lawyers and campaigners against the sexual abuse of children say that it is not uncommon in Pakistan, especially in the segregated surroundings of the country’s estimated 20,000 religious schools, but cases involving members of the clergy are rarely – if ever – exposed.

“They are either hushed up and sorted out within the confines of school, or parents are pressurised not to report the incident to the media as it would give religion a bad name,” said Zia Ahmed Awan, the president of Madadgaar, a joint project of LHRLA (Lawyers for Human Rights and Legal Aid) and Unicef, the United Nations children’s fund.

Jordanians in East Timor –congratulations to the Australian trooper with moral integrity.
AUSTRALIAN soldiers drew arms to protect themselves from Jordanian peacekeepers after a Digger blew the whistle on other Jordanian soldiers’ sexual abuse of East Timorese boys.
Corporal Wratten, who was working at a fuel dump in the enclave, was told by a group of children that Jordanian soldiers had offered food and money in exchange for oral sex and intercourse.
The allegations involved East Timorese minors, all boys, the youngest of them just 12 years old.

“Wratten informed PKF (peacekeeping force) that he had been receiving complaints from local children about Jorbatt (Jordan Battalion) abuse,” said a senior UN official who was based in Oecussi at the time.

“A Jordanian officer in HQ informed Jorbatt that he had ratted on them. Wratten and his guys manning the helo (helicopter) refuelling pad in Oecussi town started getting threatened.
“There was one occasion where Aussie Steyrs were pointed at Jorbatt and Jorbatt M-16s pointed at Aussies.”

The board of inquiry found in its report that Jordanian troops regularly offered food and money in exchange for sexual favours from women and boys, including the procuring of prostitutes from across the border in West Timor.
It found it was highly probable that widespread sexual misconduct had occurred after the Jordanians took over from the highly regarded Australian paratroop battalion in early 2000. (Dodd 2005)

Australia:
Sydney’s number one rating mid morning radio show host,2GB’s Ray Hadley,dropped a bombshell on his show (April 20, 2011) reveling he had been contacted by an “insider” at the illegal entrant detention center at I believe he said was Christmas Island. The Insider claims that the detainee’s are demanding and receiving large numbers of Condoms.
In the instance referred to by the insider, the inmate population is 400 males only, what do they want condoms for ?
Well unfortunately a lot of “unaccompanied “ young boys are mixed in amongst the inmates, and are reportedly being used by older stronger males in the same way young boys are used for homosexual sexual acts in many of the Islamic countries they ran away from. (Aussie News and views 2011)

And it isn’t only young boys who need to fear as we saw from a riot on Christmas Islam where 13 were injured –
While the catalyst is believed to be tension between Afghan Hazara boys and the protective fathers of girls in the centre,…(Gordon 2011)

Hence our daughters are also endangered as evidence both in Europe and Australia so clearly shows yet several of these so-called youths were released into ‘community care’ – our ‘community?’

Just recently in Bendigo , Victoria, Australia a Bendigo woman was raped by 7 ‘refugees.’ The seven males, some with the name Mohammad, aged between 14 and 21 came to Australia as refugees from Sudan or Afghanistan. (Akerman 2011).

In Norway in 2010 in all the solved ‘assault-rape’ cases, the perpetrators were Muslim (Hoft 2011) – likewise in Oslo in 2006, 2007 and 2008 100% of the known rapist were Muslim (Sennels 2010) and a report reveals that in 83 of 86 rapes between 2005-2010 the perpetrator was ‘non-western’ in appearance and often ‘asylum seekers!’. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&feature=player_embedded#at=77)

Nicolai Sennels (2010) notes the twisted sexuality produced by Islam and the devastating impact this has on the abuse of both Muslim and western women and the fact that Muslims brought up in any Muslim ‘culture’ develop a mindset that makes them unable to assimilate into western society (Dymphna 2010; Struening 2009) .

But who is looking at the abuse of boys within Islamic enclaves in the west as Muslims bring their practices with them and such practices can be hidden in the closed enclaves and homes?

Stop looking the other way:
Not only do we need to stand against the religious and cultural attitudes and practices of Muslims which lead to the abuse of females and young males (and infidels) in the Islamic world but we need to ensure it doesn’t continue HERE and the only way to do that is to STOP bringing these people into Australia (or the western world in general).
How much evidence do we need to show that Islam is utterly incompatible with our western values and ideals and that Muslims are unable to assimilate into our culture because they are brainwashed into the unacceptable religious ‘culture’ of Islam.

It’s time to STOP looking the other way. It’s time to loudly condemn the unacceptable behaviour of Muslims towards children, females and infidels in the Islamic world and in the WEST!

References:
* Akerman , Pia. ‘Mum raped by seven as her kids slept nearby.’ The Australian January 15, 2011 12:00AM http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/mum-raped-by-seven-as-her-kids-slept-nearby/story-e6frg6nf-1225988024595

* Ansari, Massoud. ‘Acid attack on boy who ‘refused sex with Muslim cleric.’ 8 Feb 2004 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1453786/Acid-attack-on-boy-who-refused-sex-with-Muslim-cleric.html

* Aussie News and views: ‘Australia: “Insider” dumps a load, on Asylum seekers massive use of Condoms in MALE only Detention Centres.’ Thursday, April 21, 2011: http://aussienewsviews.blogspot.com/2011/04/testbbbbbb.html

* Circe: ‘Islam’s loathing and lust for homosexuality’ : 18/10/07 Australian Islamist Monitor

http://www.australianislamistmonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1109&Itemid=63

* Dodd, Mark. ‘Australian Soldiers draw arms on Jordanian “Peace Keepers”
March 21, 2005 The Australian (No longer stored)
*Dymphna. ‘Islam Means Never Having to Say You’re Sorry’ 5/08/2010

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/05/islam-means-never-having-to-say-youre.html#readfurther

* Farmer, Ben. ‘Paedophilia ‘culturally accepted in south Afghanistan.’ The Telegraph 22/2/11

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8257943/Paedophilia-culturally-accepted-in-south-Afghanistan.html

* FoxNews. ‘Afghan Men Struggle With Sexual Identity, Study Finds.’
Published January 28, 2010 | FOXNews.com

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/28/afghan-men-struggle-sexual-identity-study-finds/

* Gordon, Michael. ‘13 injured in Christmas Island riot.’ The Age March 1, 2011 http://www.theage.com.au/national/13-injured-in-christmas-island-riot-20110228-1bbrc.html
* Hoft, Jim. ‘The Religion of Rape… ALL Norwegian Rapists in 2010 Were Muslim’ June 29, 2011, http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/06/the-religion-of-rape-all-norwegian-rapists-in-2010-were-muslim/
* IndiaVision. ‘95 percent of Pak truckers ‘indulge in sex with `boy’ helpers.’
Friday – Feb 19, 2010, 06:43pm (GMT+5.5) http://www.indiavision.com/news/article/national/28116/#ixzz0qFfULMOY
India Vision an informative site on India:

* My Pet Jawa: ‘Abuse of Afghan Boys’ July 11 2008.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/193262.php

* Reuters: ‘Afghan boy dancers sexually abused by former warlords’ 2007

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/11/19/us-afghan-dancingboys-idUSISL1848920071119?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true

* Sennels, Nicolai. ‘Sexual abuse widespread among Muslims’ HRS 5 February 2010

http://europenews.dk/en/node/29775

* Struening, Felix. Danish Psychologist: “Integration of Muslims in Western Societies is not possible” EuropeNews 31 March 2009
An Interview by Felix Struening http://europenews.dk/en/node/21789

* Westhead , Rick (A): ‘Chaplain says senior officer aware of rapes by Afghans’
Published On Sun Dec 14 2008 South Asia Bureau South Asia Bureau . http://www.thestar.com/Article/553558

* Westhead , Rick (B): ‘World court inquiry sought in Afghan rapes’ December 15, 2008 www.thestar.com/SpecialSections/article/553770

Text:
* http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/
Koran, Hadith. Has a lot of text though ‘diluted’ for western consumption with missing sections. Note translations and numbering particularly numbering of hadiths can vary considerably. Bukhari is more consistently numbered than other hadith sets.

* The Noble Quran: endowment for allah’s sake from the custodian of the two holy mosques……King Fahd Complex. Supplied free from the government of Saudi Arabia.

* Reliance of the Traveller: A classic manual of Islamic sacred law. In Arabic with facing English Text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller Al-Misri, Ahmad ibn Naqib; Amana publications Maryland USA 1994.

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11 Responses to Western Complicity in the Rape of Boys in the Islamic World.

  1. JAP says:

    This is so f….. disgusting one can’t find words. Shame on us. Either we should do what’s right over there or get out.

  2. Richard says:

    No we don’t have any standards anymore, we also have very little morality, the left has destroyed them in their quest for domination.

  3. jColes says:

    I worked as a governance mentor to Afghan Ministry of Defense during 2006-07 and saw several instances of both ‘boy play’ and adult Pashtun homosexuality. During the Taliban occpation of the Musa Qala in 2006, the Taliban leadership issued a ‘code of behavior’ for its fighters and subordinate leaders. The ‘new code’ contained 23 rules; most of which dealt with how to conduct their jihad against infidels, what to do with captured enemy soldiers, and so on…but…Rule 7 was that adult Talibs should not take little boys younger than age 13 into rooms alone and close the door…Why would they post a rule like this UNLESS there was blow-back from people in occupied territories?
    The practice of ‘boy play’ is almost entirely a Pashtun trait. The other tribes that make up Afghanistan, particularly Hasarrahs, Tajiks, Turkmen and Heratis are repulsed by homosexuality and sexual abuse of children.
    I admit my bias against Pashtuns up front…I find them to be primitives…savages and barely human. Pashtuns are not among the indigenous people of Northern Pakistan and Southern Afghanistan…They are Arab-derived and arrived in the region about 1,450 years ago; and brought with them their hostile form of Islam — but they are the dominant tribe on both sides of the Duran Line (the pseudo-border) because they are so aggressvie and there are 40-million of them. By weight of sheer numbers the Pashtuns conquered the more peaceful tribes, imposed Islam and have bullied the native peoples ever since their arrival in the region. “Afghanistan” actually means ‘land of the Pashtuns.’ Each of the other tribes has its own name for the area.
    I very much admire the other tribes of Afghanistan because of their desire to modernize and join the rest of the world.
    Late in 2006 I was visiting a US Forward Operating Base in Kandahar Province and was up on the wall at a guard-lookout talking with some of the soldiers…it was very early in the morning and the day laborers were lined up against the outer wall waiting to be screened and escorted in for their day’s work…After a few minutes I began to hear grunts and moans coming from the line of men below us…the guard soldiers began to chuckle among themselves…I asked what was so funny…they told me that the Pashtuns below were ‘making each other smile.’
    I looked over the edge and saw several men with their hands up inside their buddy’s breeches…you can figure out the rest of it, I’m sure.
    The soldiers said this happened every morning while the Pashtuns waited to be processed in.
    On another occasion early one evening I saw from the rooftop of the safe house where I was billeted, the Pashtun man who drove a vegetable cart through our area becoming ‘friendly’ with one of the donkeys that pulled his cart…he was just inside the doorway to the stable where he kept his animals, about 250 yards from our building.
    Nearly all of the resistance to our presence in Afghanistan comes from Pashtuns and their allies…the vast, vast majority of Afghans want us there…they want us to stay…they want the security and prosperity we bring.
    In Pashtun ‘culture’ (such as it is) man-boy relations are acceptable..generally not spoken of in public, but understood to be pervasive…it goes on generation after generation.
    There is in Pashto – the gutteral and primitive language Pashtuns speak – a saying: “Women are for making babies but boys are for pleasure.’
    That pretty much says it all about Pashtuns.

  4. Viiit says:

    Outlaw Islam!

  5. MRobs says:

    The koranimals never cease to amaze. This cancer of Islam needs to be removed from the planet. I wonder if the only way to do it is to just bomb the $h_t out of the islamic countries and be done with it. We can’t bring them into western society to escape this sickness because they just bring it with them wherever they go. They don’t seem to have the ability to discern between what is moral and what is imoral and down right crimes against humanity. What do you do with savages like these? I can only think they have to be anhilated for the good of the rest of mankind. Some times we must become like out enemy to defeat him. I wish there was another way but I don’t see it.

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  9. David says:

    For many many years boys in the middle east have been for a mans pleasure, and girls for being mothers of the children, it has happened since time began, look at the old pictures on Church ceilings, castles, etc the boys were always or mostly the one’s used as nude models for that era.
    It is just our way in the west that we prefer not to see a boy as pleasure, or art, only women, it is other cultures that have always done it for years.

  10. Rand Cottrell says:

    It makes one wonder if Mohammad was akin to Alexander the Great as far as persuasion of the masses. Both being gay, except Mohammad was just trying to make sense out it all hence the Quaran……

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